nucci Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don't care if you think he's the 2nd coming of Brady, it's not sound business to make him the highest paid player in the NFL after 7 starts. I'm sure their hand was forced since Garoppolo and his agent were promising them the Cousins treatment if he got tagged, but it's still bad business. Why is it bad business? There's plenty of money and the salary cap continues to increase every year. The owners have to pay a certain amount to the players every year Edited February 8, 2018 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: NFL needs to institute a max salary limit like the NBA There are over 10 players in the nba that will make more than Jimmy G’s average this year. Over 15 under contact to make than that two years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Pre- Cousins, it would've been a no brainer to franchise Garropolo and make him prove it for more than 5 games before making him highest paid player in the game. Garropolo probably would've accepted the tag and signed a long term deal if he had a good year. Now, QB's and agents can point to Cousins and say 'if you don't believe in me to pay me now you can franchise me but I'll never sign a long term deal with you and you can watch me walk out the door in 2 years'. Cousins refused to sign the deal they offered him (wisely, because to was basically, in the first 2 years, equal to 2 franchise years). Then he was franchised. That's how it goes. The bolded part has always been true, it's nothing new or unique to Cousins. SF was smart--they ended any bidding and chance of losing JG while locking him up for 5. Had they franchised him and he had an MVP type year and pushed SF into the playoffs (and given what some team will blow on Cousins very soon), his demands would have dwarfed what they are signing him for now... Edited February 8, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don't care if you think he's the 2nd coming of Brady, it's not sound business to make him the highest paid player in the NFL after 7 starts. I'm sure their hand was forced since Garoppolo and his agent were promising them the Cousins treatment if he got tagged, but it's still bad business. The newest guy to sign is often the highest paid because both sides assume the cap and salaries will continue to escalate and so $27M won't look so eye-popping a few years down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, KD in CA said: The newest guy to sign is often the highest paid because both sides assume the cap and salaries will continue to escalate and so $27M won't look so eye-popping a few years down the road. Plus Brees is due and Rodgers and Wilson should be getting raises soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 So I guess I shouldn't waste my time in the Thread talking about a three way trade with the Bills? Right? (Just saved myself hours!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dorkington said: Can't imagine how much Cousins is going to demand now... I have a feeling we're tied to Tyrod until we magically draft the next Bills franchise QB. The way the salary cap is always going up, the "highest paid player in NFL history" will have an average QB contract by the end of the terms. You pay Cousins, front load the contract, and after a couple sticky years you'll have plenty of cap space to go all in on a Super Bowl contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Rob Johnson has a SB ring too. so.... I bet he doesn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, JPP said: LOL...so do the waterboys i guess.....earning a SB ring is one thing.... getting one and earning one .... vastly different 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I bet he doesn't... did he sell it? Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Rob Johnson was the backup QB for the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers that defeated the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Looks like the classic sign and trade deal. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: NFL needs to institute a max salary limit like the NBA Why?? Anyway, NFL players would love to be paid like players in the NBA... And the NBA doesn't have a hard cap. You want that too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 So how does that 3 way look now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 If you want to be competitive in the NFL, this is the kind of investment you need to make in the QB position. The only decent starting guys who aren't getting paid at least $20 million+ are: a) Playing on a 4-5 year old contract b) Playing on a rookie contract I will say this, however... If a team can manage to land their guy in the draft, it does give them a distinct advantage on the salary cap for 4-5 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Man, that's alotta bread!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: Man, that's alotta bread!!!! Gotta have dough to make bread amirite? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Not sure how you can give an unproven player that much cash... NFL teams are stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Gotta have dough to make bread amirite? Indeed, Joey! Indeed! 1 minute ago, T-Bomb said: Not sure how you can give an unproven player that much cash... NFL teams are stupid. T-Bomb you do make a good point. As such, I think the Raiders are looking over at the Niners and saying, ''ooooohhh, ya sure? Really...are you really sure?!" Honestly though, man, just something about what I have seen out of the kid makes me think, yeah...don't play around with it. Pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Maybe Beane should have taken Jimmy G to Tempo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Cousins and his agent will probably try to get a similar deal if not more. It's out of our price range. Looking more and more like Taylor is an option as the bridge QB after all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: Not sure how you can give an unproven player that much cash... NFL teams are stupid. Well I guess it's all risk & reward. We'll know in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 49 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don't care if you think he's the 2nd coming of Brady, it's not sound business to make him the highest paid player in the NFL after 7 starts. I'm sure their hand was forced since Garoppolo and his agent were promising them the Cousins treatment if he got tagged, but it's still bad business. You keep on brnging up Cousins when the situations are different with no acrimony between the 49ers and Garoppolo. Based on what I have seen from Jimmy G, I'll trust the collective judgment of Lynch and Shanahan over yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Cousins and his agent will probably try to get a similar deal if not more. It's out of our price range. Looking more and more like Taylor is an option as the bridge QB after all.. *hurls violently and uncontrollably* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 i don't get why they didn't just tag him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i don't get why they didn't just tag him Players don't like the tag very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i don't get why they didn't just tag him They see him as their franchise QB. Why would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Players don't like the tag very much Well then they need to bring that up in the CBA. He's gotta realize he's played seven games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Thai cant be true. I just read the Bills,49ers and Redskins are going to be making a 3 way trade with Garrappollo coming here. This is obviously fake news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: They see him as their franchise QB. Why would they? If it works out that's great...if it doesn't we look back at the worst contract handed out in the history of sports. 7 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 hours ago, MJS said: This reminds me of the huge Brock Osweiler contract a couple of years ago. The guy has no experience in the NFL yet. He does look good though for the free games he played. I am so hoping for a Brock Osweiler foobar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: If it works out that's great...if it doesn't we look back at the worst contract handed out in the history of sports. 7 games. He can play. He's got what it takes from both a physical as well as a mental perspective. Great move for both sides IMO. 2 hours ago, MJS said: This reminds me of the huge Brock Osweiler contract a couple of years ago. The guy has no experience in the NFL yet. He does look good though for the free games he played. Which means you haven't wtached him play at all if you make any kind of comparison of him to BO. Edited February 8, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: When is he going to pull the McDaniels ? Osweiller Part II QBs can be tagged, situation is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He can play. He's got what it takes from both a physical as well as a mental perspective. Great move for both sides IMO. it's 7 games. He looked great for sure but there is a very good chance this backfires. A lot of guys can have a flash I'm just saying the smart deal would have been to tag him and sign him next year if he plays well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: it's 7 games. He looked great for sure but there is a very good chance this backfires. A lot of guys can have a flash I'm just saying the smart deal would have been to tag him and sign him next year if he plays well. Based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Looks like the Pats should have gotten a bit more than a 2nd round pick if he’s this valuable Why do you think Billcheat had expression like he sucked a rotten egg when he was traded? 1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said: They can have him for that kind of money, straps the team Agree. When salary of QB tips balance it cannot be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: He’s going to be a massive bomb. Not that he will suck. But he’s going to be Kirk Cousins. Put up some numbers. Not be great. This is a major mistake imo. We’ll see. I totally disagree. Go read what Lynch and the niners were gushing about...the command, leadership, on field things beyond just throwing. You either have that or you dont and thats what separates the greats from the forgotten. Now that doesn't guarantee anything by no means, but this kid checks every single box. His on field resume is short, but outstanding to go with everything they see from him as a leader, a thinker, and field general. I honestly think Jimmy G will bite NE in the back side for a long long time once TB is gone. Keep in mind, he took a team who was 1-10 without knowing the playbook, players, coaches, etc but just a couple weeks and led them to a 5-0 record, including beating the AFC Champion Game Jaguars #1 Defense badly with (the former punching bag around here) Marquise Goodwin as his number one target. The guy 98% of this board said sucks and was too small to play in the NFL. Niners and Browns were widely seen as the two least talented rosters in the NFL at that point...and he took that same roster and went 5-0. Offense went from 17ppg to over 28ppg. He over night single handedly turned them into a top 3 offense in the NFL over those 5 games...again with little time with playbook or players and throwing to Goodwin as his #1 WR. No one can see the future, so he could disappoint...but when I watch him I dont see any red flags with Jimmy G outside someone saying "small sample size". He seems like the complete package, so color me sold on his potential and supporting this signing by the Niners with all that cap space. Now if I am them, I go sign Sammy and give Jimmy G much needed upgrade to the WR group and use draft picks to add to the OL and D. Edited February 8, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Garoppolo immediately morphed the 49ers into one of the most enjoyable teams to watch down the stretch. He had Niners players espousing comparisons to Tom Brady, and giddily talking about his "different aura." More importantly, his arrival in San Francisco made playing hella more fun for his teammates. . I wonder how 'fun' it will be when players are let go and other do not get raises they wanted because money went to QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: I wonder how 'fun' it will be when players are let go and other do not get raises they wanted because money went to QB. If only the Bills had a problem like this to ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, JPP said: LOL...so do the waterboys i guess.....earning a SB ring is one thing.... So does the Russian Czar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I totally disagree. Go read what Lynch and the niners were gushing about...the command, leadership, on field things beyond just throwing. You either have that or you dont and thats what separates the greats from the forgotten. Now that doesn't guarantee anything by no means, but this kid checks every single box. His on field resume is short, but outstanding to go with everything they see from him as a leader, a thinker, and field general. I honestly think Jimmy G will bite NE in the back side for a long long time once TB is gone. Keep in mind, he took a team who was 1-10 without knowing the playbook, players, coaches, etc but just a couple weeks and led them to a 5-0 record, including beating the AFC Champion Game Jaguars #1 Defense badly with (the former punching bag around here) Marquise Goodwin as his number one target. The guy 98% of this board said sucks and was too small to play in the NFL. Niners and Browns were widely seen as the two least talented rosters in the NFL at that point...and he took that same roster and went 5-0. Offense went from 17ppg to over 28ppg. He over night single handedly turned them into a top 3 offense in the NFL over those 5 games...again with little time with playbook or players and throwing to Goodwin as his #1 WR. No one can see the future, so he could disappoint...but when I watch him I dont see any red flags with Jimmy G outside someone saying "small sample size". He seems like the complete package, so color me sold on his potential and supporting this signing by the Niners with all that cap space. Now if I am them, I go sign Sammy and give Jimmy G much needed upgrade to the WR group and use draft picks to add to the OL and D. He produced at that level with mediocre talent surrounding him on offense. Just think what he could do with more time in Shanahan's system and better talent supporting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He can play. He's got what it takes from both a physical as well as a mental perspective. Great move for both sides IMO. Which means you haven't wtached him play at all if you make any kind of comparison of him to BO. Did I not say he looked good in his starts? I think I did. Doesn't change the fact that he has only started a few games. RGIII looked amazing for an entire season. There is always a chance he doesn't turn out as good as they thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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