apuszczalowski Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Because missing the playoffs at 8-8 or thereabouts for two decades is AWESOME. Better to win (at best) 4-5 games every year for most of that time except for one year that looks like a fluke now. At least Bills fans get to go into the season with a chance that this year could be the year they make the playoffs instead of looking at the draft once the preseason ends and hoping they maybe win more then one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Maybe they finally end this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 They need to sign leveon bell, draft Josh Rosen, sign trumaine johnson to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: They are less well positioned than they would be if they had just picked Carson Wentz or Deshaun Watson. Fact. Punting on getting a franchise QB doesn't work. You are right about getting the qb sooner rather than later is the best way to go. But if the new GM smartly utilizes his many high picks and large cap space the Browns should be in a good position to build a competitive and more sustaining franchise in the near future. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to take such a long and arduous road that the Browns took. They made the rebuilding task so much more difficult with their draft flubs. But a reasonable case can be made that the Browns are in a better position than the Bills are presently in.from an accumulation of young talent. Now is the time for them to corral what they have and will soon have and think in more immediate terms instead of the long-term future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: They can. They can do the thing they should have done all along and take franchise Quarterback. If they select anyone other than Josh Rosen they deserve everything they get. They are slightly lucky that 3 consecutive years with guys worth taking have arrived at the right time for them though. Sachi Brown didn't have a clue what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Agreed. I suspect Jon is deeper into the tape than me, but I am high on Rosen at the moment. He has a higher grade than Watson, Wentz and Goff had on my board at this stage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 There it is folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Could put Tom Brady on Browns and they would still suck. They should build around Kizer temporarily until the roster is better then nab a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Kmart128 said: Could put Tom Brady on Browns and they would still suck. They should build around Kizer temporarily until the roster is better then nab a QB. No they shouldn't do that at all and they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Oh, how one little prick can ruin a thread . . . Make TBD great again! And what exactly was your porpoise here? Don't worry... everyone knows who you are amidst your tears... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They are well positioned to say the least and Dorsey is a solid choice to make the right draft picks and free agency acquisitions. Gotta identify and draft the right QB to finally end the Factory of Sadness. "Factory of Sadness"...Bills or Browns....I'm just a bit confused.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Sashi Brown did a great job of acquiring assets. With the success of Wentz and Watson he did a poor job of evaluating talent at Qb. They are primed for a big time Qb. i would even consider going after Cousins and drafting a Qb like Allen to groom behind him. They have the cap space to change the whole offense which is needed and can offer Cousins all the money in the world and fix the offense. They have a solid defense but no talent on the outside. Gordon hasn't played football in 3 years and walks onto the field as their best Wr which is shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: "Factory of Sadness"...Bills or Browns....I'm just a bit confused.... Don't be. The Browns have a copyright on that. We have the Drought all to ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: "Factory of Sadness"...Bills or Browns....I'm just a bit confused.... Coke or Pepsi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 hours ago, joesixpack said: And why are they well positioned? Because they haven't won. They have a solid defense top 15. A decent line even without Joe Thomas. They have 0 talent at Wr. josh gordon out 3 years is still better than anyone they have. 100 mil in cap space 10 picks. They find a Qb or 2 bring in some pass catchers they should be in line to actually win some ball games. Kizer has been ok at times but completly dreadful at others. His accuracy concerns are real and his decision making in the redzone has been horrible. On paper the offense needs all new wrs, their RBs are ok and that young Te looks to be the real deal. Their o line is better than ours and the defense is deep with talent at all levels. The right Qb and that franchise could see a La rams like round about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Just now, Mat68 said: They have a solid defense top 15. A decent line even without Joe Thomas. They have 0 talent at Wr. josh gordon out 3 years is still better than anyone they have. 100 mil in cap space 10 picks. They find a Qb or 2 bring in some pass catchers they should be in line to actually win some ball games. Kizer has been ok at times but completly dreadful at others. His accuracy concerns are real and his decision making in the redzone has been horrible. On paper the offense needs all new wrs, their RBs are ok and that young Te looks to be the real deal. Their o line is better than ours and the defense is deep with talent at all levels. The right Qb and that franchise could see a La rams like round about. Point is they got that way by tanking and trading assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Sashi Brown did a great job of acquiring assets. With the success of Wentz and Watson he did a poor job of evaluating talent at Qb. They are primed for a big time Qb. i would even consider going after Cousins and drafting a Qb like Allen to groom behind him. They have the cap space to change the whole offense which is needed and can offer Cousins all the money in the world and fix the offense. They have a solid defense but no talent on the outside. Gordon hasn't played football in 3 years and walks onto the field as their best Wr which is shameful. Gordon is arguably the most talented WR in football though..........they got rich quick at WR if he can stay focused. He and Njoku.........those are some GREAT targets to start with..........probably sign Pryor back from Washington this offseason(they reportedly tried to trade for him before deadline).........that would be a big and fast receiving corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Crazy to think that in about 5 months, we will have a new starting QB. If Cleveland takes Rosen, I hope the Bills can somehow get Darnold. I would be happy with either of those 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Chris Trapasso? Anyone know anything about him in projecting draft picks? He has Lamar Jackson going #1 to Cleveland, and then the Browns picking up Barkley with their second pick. Giants taking Rosen at #2 and the Bengals taking Darnold at #9. If Darnold made it that long, I sure hope the Bills trade up to get him. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-cowboys-falcons-add-wr-speed-with-ridley-burnett/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Cleveland is where promising head office people go to die like Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Browns owner: Finding QB is Dorsey's No.1 priority Quote The Cleveland Browns' firing of Sashi Brown and hiring of John Dorsey on Thursday was one of the quickest front office turnarounds in league history. In his introductory news conference Friday, Dorsey made it clear that Cleveland's franchise turnaround won't be as swift. At least not until they find a quarterback. "Let's sit down as a group [at the end of the season]," Dorsey said of Cleveland's QB quagmire. "This is a quarterback-driven league. We all know that and we all know, to succeed and to go a little bit farther and farther and farther, you need one of those guys. So I think it's an evaluation period that's going to take a little bit to put a plan together. "The draft is four and a half months away. Free agency is three months away. We have ample time to make a plan here." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: They are less well positioned than they would be if they had just picked Carson Wentz or Deshaun Watson. Fact. Punting on getting a franchise QB doesn't work. I get what you are saying but this is so EASY to say in retrospect. Ask Washington fans what they think about everything they gave up to get RGIII or Jaguar fans about not "punting" on Blake Bortles. This list of all of the QBs taken in the first round is interesting to look at in retrospect: https://pro32.ap.org/Star-Herald/article/list-qbs-selected-first-round-nfl-draft-2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Despite KC letting Dorsey go, he did yeoman's work in KC and built a hell of a roster there. Certainly a more proven commodity than Beane and I would take him over Beane in Buffalo in a heartbeat. No way the Browns are passing on a QB this year with the #1 overall pick and they have a lot of picks to work with and get that team heading in the right direction. This is why I still think all the talk about us trading up and taking a franchise QB is a fantasy because all the top ones will be long gone before any team is willing to deal with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Despite KC letting Dorsey go, he did yeoman's work in KC and built a hell of a roster there. Certainly a more proven commodity than Beane and I would take him over Beane in Buffalo in a heartbeat. No way the Browns are passing on a QB this year with the #1 overall pick and they have a lot of picks to work with and get that team heading in the right direction. This is why I still think all the talk about us trading up and taking a franchise QB is a fantasy because all the top ones will be long gone before any team is willing to deal with us. According to this mock, there should be several available. We could trade up to #8 and get Darnold. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-cowboys-falcons-add-wr-speed-with-ridley-burnett/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, PIZ said: According to this mock, there should be several available. We could trade up to #8 and get Darnold. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-cowboys-falcons-add-wr-speed-with-ridley-burnett/ If Sam Darnold dropped that far we should def move up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, PIZ said: According to this mock, there should be several available. We could trade up to #8 and get Darnold. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-cowboys-falcons-add-wr-speed-with-ridley-burnett/ that mock makes me wanna vomit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Despite KC letting Dorsey go, he did yeoman's work in KC and built a hell of a roster there. Certainly a more proven commodity than Beane and I would take him over Beane in Buffalo in a heartbeat. No way the Browns are passing on a QB this year with the #1 overall pick and they have a lot of picks to work with and get that team heading in the right direction. This is why I still think all the talk about us trading up and taking a franchise QB is a fantasy because all the top ones will be long gone before any team is willing to deal with us. They have won 1 game in 2 years. I think it's hard to say they're heading in the right direction. Do you honestly think that they won't screw up this QB pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Peter said: I get what you are saying but this is so EASY to say in retrospect. Ask Washington fans what they think about everything they gave up to get RGIII or Jaguar fans about not "punting" on Blake Bortles. This list of all of the QBs taken in the first round is interesting to look at in retrospect: https://pro32.ap.org/Star-Herald/article/list-qbs-selected-first-round-nfl-draft-2000 I'd still defend both decisions. They were the right thing to do. Tannehill and Manziel and Ponder and EJ and Weeden I defend less because they were always reachea to me but Bortles and RGIII I'd have taken my chances on. It might not have worked out but the process was right in both cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Don't worry... everyone knows who you are amidst your tears... I don't get that reference. I probably am not taking it as seriously as you. But, hey, you do you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 And Kenny Britt is already cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I'd still defend both decisions. They were the right thing to do. Tannehill and Manziel and Ponder and EJ and Weeden I defend less because they were always reachea to me but Bortles and RGIII I'd have taken my chances on. It might not have worked out but the process was right in both cases. If you did not lose me already, you definitely lost me once you invoked the "process." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Real McClappy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, joesixpack said: that mock makes me wanna vomit Same here. Typical Billsy thing to do though right taking a LB and DT with 2 first rounders? Edited December 8, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 21 hours ago, Bangarang said: Proof that you can fire coaches and GMs nearly every year and people will still line up for the vacancies Yeah, several million a year even if you're canned is a pretty good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 21 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Nah. Nobody wanted this job. It’s almost like an expansion team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 21 hours ago, aceman_16 said: I think this is a decent hire. I was more than surprised KC canned him. I definitely was as well. Andy Reid is going to mortgage the Queefs future, ultimately getting canned. About the time Reid gets canned, Browns will be turning the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 3 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: Despite KC letting Dorsey go, he did yeoman's work in KC and built a hell of a roster there. Certainly a more proven commodity than Beane and I would take him over Beane in Buffalo in a heartbeat. No way the Browns are passing on a QB this year with the #1 overall pick and they have a lot of picks to work with and get that team heading in the right direction. This is why I still think all the talk about us trading up and taking a franchise QB is a fantasy because all the top ones will be long gone before any team is willing to deal with us. 49ers. I dont care who you are. 2 firsts in 2018 and another in 19 turns alot of heads. Jimmy g makes Buffalo viable to trade up. They have alot of holes and 2 first rounders fills those. The picks from chicago would alllow them to move back up if they wanted a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 If I'm the #1 QB coming out in the draft I am telling my agent to let the Browns know that there is absolutely no way I am signing with them so don't waste the draft pick. NY Giants would be an ideal landing spot. That's exactly how they got Eli and it worked out well for everyone involved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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