Tyrod injury: patella contusion, day-to-day

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

QB's have varying levels of ability, but there's a clear demarcation between good enough and not good enough.  

 

TT was one of the closest we had to good enough and flirted with that line occasionally, which made his ultimate failure that much more painful.  

I don’t even agree with this. People just throw it out there like it’s auto fact. Our passing offenses have been terrible the entire time Tyrod is here. I’m not trying to pile on the guy on the day of his probable last nfl start..but I’m tired of reading that. Bledsoe, Orton and Fitz were all better then Tyrod. A qb is there to throw the ball. All of those guys were better at that and it wasn’t even close.

[starrymessenger]

5 minutes ago, LEBills said:

 

I admire the optimism, unfortunately I think you are really really wrong. Cheers!

 

There's always a world of opinion out there. My reason: I saw him make throws (two good fades) that Tyrod just cannot make. He also made a few other throws (slants) that Tyrod can make, but Peterman's ball was more accurate.

IMO if Peterman once gets a chance to acclimate to NFL game speed he will adjust and impress. He might even be good, but for sure he will make rookie mistakes. They all do.

Patience.

Edited December 3, 2017 by starrymessenger

[Murdox]

Guys, there is a lot of focus on TT, but what about Dennison?  Exactly what has he proven ?  At least we've seen that TT can perform better in a different offense.  I haven't seen anything from Dennison, and his gameplans have brought TT down to new lows.  And Peterman hasn't exactly shown much.  I'm not suggesting TT is the answer, but I do think we need to consider how much our offensive "mastermind" is to blame for this mess.  It's not all TT.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Put the guy on IR tonight without even !@#$ing looking at him and sign some vet pocket passer. 

[Virgil]

I think he's done and I feel bad for him.  He deserved better than to go out like that. 

 

But overall, it's time and best for everyone to move on.

[Lfod]

2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

There's always a world of opinion out there. My reason: I saw him make throws (two good fades) that Tyrod just cannot make. E also made a few other throws (slants) that Tyrod can make, but Peterman's ball was more accurate.

IMO if Peterman once gets a chance to acclimate to NFL game speed he will adjust and impress. He might even be good, but for sure he will make rookie mistakes. They all do.

Patience.

Peterman threw some nice passes that shouldn't of been incompletions. The kid will struggle if you put him in but people will always be quick to want to move on.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Lfod

[T-Bomb]

Tyrod is done, this is the perfect opportunity for McBeane to do what they wanted to do all season long.

 

They are probably peeved that he got them 6 wins, makes it that much harder to draft a franchise QB.

[marco14150]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

There's always a world of opinion out there. My reason: I saw him make throws (two good fades) that Tyrod just cannot make. E also made a few other throws (slants) that Tyrod can make, but Peterman's ball was more accurate.

IMO if Peterman once gets a chance to acclimate to NFL game speed he will adjust and impress. He might even be good, but for sure he will make rookie mistakes. They all do.

Patience.

great post, well said

[starrymessenger]

1 minute ago, Lfod said:

Peterman threw some nice passes that shouldn't of incompletions. 

 

Both QBs have had to deal with untimely drops. 

[BringBackOrton]

6 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t even agree with this. People just throw it out there like it’s auto fact. Our passing offenses have been terrible the entire time Tyrod is here. I’m not trying to pile on the guy on the day of his probable last nfl start..but I’m tired of reading that. Bledsoe, Orton and Fitz were all better then Tyrod. A qb is there to throw the ball. All of those guys were better at that and it wasn’t even close.

One of the best. Not the best.

 

I personally have Orton over TT.

 

But TT had flashes where he showed he could play in this league.  Young, extremely athletic,  with some deficits in the more cerebral parts of the game.  He had a higher ceiling than a Fitz.  

 

If Taylor could read a defense, run an offense, audible, he would've been the best QB the Bills had had in a long time.  Those things we hoped were teachable.  It turns out they weren't.

[Lfod]

4 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Both QBs have had to deal with untimely drops. 

I understand that. I was just saying the rook might not be horrible. That he will throw a ton of interceptions but the light might come on with repetition.

 

Taylor made some good plays today. This offence isn't clicking as a unit enough for playoff caliber. We need an offence that can put up 21+ points more frequent. Honestly I'm just glad the defense is back to being solid. I think they played a good game and Tre White got his interception.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Lfod

[transplantbillsfan]

Yes. It is.

 

This is McDermott's opportunity to start Peterman the rest of the season without any repercussion even if he sucks.

 

This was an unfortunate way for Taylor's Buffalo career to end, but next year our starter will almost certainly either be Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield/Jackson/(who else to draft in round 1???) or Peterman with one of those other guys waiting in the wings.

[starrymessenger]

2 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I understand that. I was just saying the rook might not be horrible. That he will throw a ton of interceptions but the light might come on with repetition.

 

Taylor made some good plays today. This offence isn't clicking as a unit enough for playoff caliber.

 

I understand your point, and I agree. 

[BarleyNY]

The Tyrod Taylor Era is unofficially over here in Buffalo. 

[simool]

Rodent is such an excellent voice for the Bills on a National level. 

 

You just know that an article about the Gronk hit will be forthcoming instead of this opinion piece crap about a subject everyone already knows the answer to.

 

Such an epic tool.

[SaviorPeterman]

There's simply no point of starting Taylor again this year no matter how bad NP might possibly look in the process.

 

And if certain players don't like it time to bench or cut them to send a message because that's how you truly change a culture. And quite frankly most of the likely candidates that would complain about TT being benched again are also likely playing their final games in Buffalo including McCoy.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Whatever. 4 preseason games to look at Peterman against starters. Thanks for another great years bills. Wish it was over today

[Dr. Who]

26 minutes ago, Lfod said:

Tyrod Taylor to me is an excellent back up quarterback and borderline starter. He made some good plays and he was the fault of some bad plays.

 

Yea I think this injury could be the end of his season. We can't score points and it's embarrassing.

And yet last week, some folks were suggesting we build around Tyrod.

[Beast]

50 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

I like the guy. I hate the mediocrity he symbolizes.

 

That sums it up for me perfectly.

 

Easy to root for.....until you start seeing some of the results.

8 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Whatever. 4 preseason games to look at Peterman against starters. Thanks for another great years bills. Wish it was over today

 

Just don’t watch. Easy enough.

 

 

[B Fan in LA]

 

I think the injury gives McD an excuse to start somebody else, which is what he's wanted to do.

 

I expect to see Mighty Joe Webb in there some more, also.

He looks better than I expected. Probably better than Cardale.

 

These new guys running OBD seem to be in a hurry to evaluate guys. Personally, I like it.

 

[Lfod]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

And yet last week, some folks were suggesting we build around Tyrod.

Well I won't deny that it might be a direction I still would go potentially. I think Tyrod is a playmaker. I still not sold that he's trash. He played hurt all game I respect him a lot.

I wouldn't be hurt if they did build the offense around him only if it made sense because you might not be able to grab one of the top 3 QBs or have to spend to much to get it.

 

I know one thing. If the offence produces we win today. Do whatever you have to. It needs to be fixed.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Lfod

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

12 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

That sums it up for me perfectly.

 

Easy to root for.....until you start seeing some of the results.

 

Just don’t watch. Easy enough.

 

 

If I could stop watching I would have stopped years ago 

[B Fan in LA]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Hard to really like anything this franchise does. 

 

Just an awfully hard hard team to root for. 

 

Agreed.

[Returntoglory]

It sucks that it's the only !@#$ing way this franchise can move forward is for this dink and dunk "QB" to get injured! 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Rodak must have stole I mean read my post earlier. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Lfod said:

Well I won't deny that it might be a direction I still would go potentially. I think Tyrod is a playmaker. I still not sold that he's trash. He played hurt all game I respect him a lot.

I wouldn't be hurt if they did build the offense him only if it made sense because you might not be able to grab one of the top 3 QBs or have to spend to much to get it.

Well, I think we have the ammo to grab the third best qb.  If Darnold comes out, I'd be more than happy with either Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield.  If not, I think Jackson may be around for one of our firsts and I would take a shot.  No way in Hades you are selling this fan base on any form of even potentially building around Tyrod.  He appears a fine person and an excellent athlete, but I don't think he's really capable of being consistently good at qb.  Given the lower threshold, I would agree he is a solid backup.

[wppete]

If the injury happened on the first play from scrimmage why Cary him out mid way threw the 4th quarter. I hope Tylor is not injured but I also hope we don’t see Tylor as the Bills QB again, love on.

[Lfod]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, I think we have the ammo to grab the third best qb.  If Darnold comes out, I'd be more than happy with either Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield.  If not, I think Jackson may be around for one of our firsts and I would take a shot.  No way in Hades you are selling this fan base on any form of even potentially building around Tyrod.  He appears a fine person and an excellent athlete, but I don't think he's really capable of being consistently good at qb.  Given the lower threshold, I would agree he is a solid backup.

I think getting a QB is the safe pick. I just wouldn't like to be forced to take a QB out of desperation. Hopefully the Bills can get to a favorable spot and we are not picking at scraps just because we still hungry.

 

It would be awesome to not squander good defensive performances anymore. You need to strike gold on this pick. If you trade up you need to hit or it's a stain.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Lfod

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I think getting a QB is the safe pick. I just wouldn't like to be forced to take a QB out of desperation. Hopefully the Bills can get to a favorable spot and we are not picking at scraps just because we still hungry.

Forced made some sense the EJ year when there really weren't first round grade qbs available.  There will be some in 2018.  Fortunately, our desperation and rational action are not antithetical under those conditions.

[B Fan in LA]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

No way in Hades you are selling this fan base on any form of even potentially building around Tyrod. 

 

I think they did try to build an offense more suited to TT this year.

There were designed roll outs, dinks and dunks over the middle to Clay.

We never saw that last year.

 

They recognized there was no point starting Sammy and Woods because Tyrod couldn't find them anyway,

so they took the draft choices and got slower, taller receivers for him to find.

 

For awhile it seemed to be working. Then, for some reason, It just stopped working.

 

McD is on the hot seat and he wants to move on at QB. TT is gonzo.

If they could find anybody willing to give them a 4th rounder for him right now, I think they'd do it tonight

.

 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, B Fan in LA said:

 

I think they did try to build an offense more suited to TT this year.

There were designed roll outs, dinks and dunks over the middle to Clay.

We never saw that last year.

 

They recognized there was no point starting Sammy and Woods because Tyrod couldn't find them anyway,

so they took the draft choices and got slower, taller receivers for him to find.

 

For awhile it seemed to be working. Then, for some reason, It just stopped working.

 

McD is on the hot seat and he wants to move on at QB. TT is gonzo.

If they could find anybody willing to give them a 4th rounder for him right now, I think they'd do it tonight

.

 

I keep reading that Taylor and Dennison's offense aren't compatible.  Others have also complained about the new blocking scheme which went away from the aggressive approach that yielded a generally more effective run game.  Whatever accomodations were made for Tyrod, they didn't seem to consistently use read-option and roll outs, though we may have used them some.  I personally just don't think Taylor is a quality starting qb.  Regardless, I agree they would be happy to unload Taylor for a mid-round pick.

[Boatdrinks]

It likely is. It's almost fitting it was in what turned out to be a surprisingly winnable game against the Bills chief tormentors . Due mostly to a solid defensive effort and gameplan by McDermott that was derailed by putrid QB play. Pretty much a microcosm of the Bills current state. 

[H2o]

You feel bad for him because he genuinely seems like a good guy and I have no doubt he has played to the best of his ability while here. At the same token, he's not our future. Thanks for everything Tyrod. Best of luck to you wherever you land.

[Coach Tuesday]

They took everything away that made him successful and asked him to become a rhythm passer, with no deep routes, no offensive line and no receivers.

 

The strategy was stupid from Day 1 and it’s fair to seriously question the glorified gym teacher we have at head coach.

 

That all said, I wish Tyrod well in Arizona, Baltimore or Denver next season.

[Kelly the Dog]

24 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

They took everything away that made him successful and asked him to become a rhythm passer, with no deep routes, no offensive line and no receivers.

 

The strategy was stupid from Day 1 and it’s fair to seriously question the glorified gym teacher we have at head coach.

 

That all said, I wish Tyrod well in Arizona, Baltimore or Denver next season.

It was insane. He didn't make enough plays. But they completely screwed him. There wasn't one rollout or naked boot. The WR were brutally awful this game. They can't trust blocking so they send only 3-4 guys out against six and no one is open. Dennison is criminal. 

[Scott7975]

Probably yes. Hopefully this regime can do better next year. 

[JPP]

Yup he probably plays his last game as a bill......just throw crap at the wall now and see what sticks......rotate Peterman and Webb throughout.......

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm convinced Dennison hates Tyrod. 

 

How could that be when Tyrod was covered by the Broncos when Dennison was there? Or so that’s what I’ve been told ?‍♂️

[JPP]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It was insane. He didn't make enough plays. But they completely screwed him. There wasn't one rollout or naked boot. The WR were brutally awful this game. They can't trust blocking so they send only 3-4 guys out against six and no one is open. Dennison is criminal. 

No matter who takes over at QB this season or who they get next season first order of business is to dump Dennision ASAP!!!

[Poleshifter]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

It wasn't just Taylor but he didn't do enough. Just kills me how this team beats itself.

And now, with Eric Lee kicking our ass, the Pats* are beating us with our own players!

 

It's a shame our staff did not realize Eric Lee's talent, or could not develop/utilize it.