The overreaction toward McDermott from the media is why football coaches are so conservative

[Wayne Arnold]

The odd crucifixion of Sean McDermott by the media simply because he decided to try something different by seeing if a rookie QB could spark the offense is strange to me...but far from surprising. 

 

I'm always on football coaches (especially in the NFL) for being too conservative. I call most of them gutless meatheads because they ignore analytics when they punt on 4th and 2 from the opponent's 39 yard line.

 

But it's obvious why they are the way they are.

 

Because football coaches are much more likely to be ridiculed when they go for it and don't convert than they are when they punt.

 

Coaches who take risks put themselves out there. And are blasted when that risk doesn't work out. Meanwhile, the coaches who never take risks are able to skate by with little attention. Sure, they'll rarely succeed...but they at least keep their jobs and collect a paycheck for a while before getting fired.

 

And I'm sick of people treating the quarterback position like something sacred. As if replacing the starting QB for a game (or even just a half) is some sort of travesty like the coach is destroying the sanctity of football by doing it. It's one position. If the QB plays poorly then the next guy should be given a chance. Who cares?

 

Say what you want about McDermott - but I applaud him for his willingness to try something to turn around an anemic offense. It didn't work and it was wrong.

 

McDermott went for it and the conversion failed.

[SDS]

It's all fanspeak and it's awful. People hear and repeat the clichés so many times they don't even question what the words mean.

[Mrbojanglezs]

You make a good point. The only media worse than political media is sports media

 

[Perry Turtle]

If McDermott is making any decisions based on the reaction of the media, he should be fired now.  And making a decision isn't enough in the NFL.  Coaches who make good decisions are praised and have long careers.  Coaches who make bad decisions get criticized and eventually fired. 

 

McDermott is on run of bad decisions, and he's being justifiably criticized.

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The odd crucifixion of Sean McDermott by the media simply because he decided to try something different by seeing if a rookie QB could spark the offense is strange to me...but far from surprising. 

 

I'm always on football coaches (especially in the NFL) for being too conservative. I call most of them gutless meatheads because they ignore analytics when they punt on 4th and 2 from the opponent's 39 yard line.

 

But it's obvious why they are the way they are.

 

Because football coaches are much more likely to be ridiculed when they go for it and don't convert than they are when they punt.

 

Coaches who take risks put themselves out there. And are blasted when that risk doesn't work out. Meanwhile, the coaches who never take risks are able to skate by with little attention. Sure, they'll rarely succeed...but they at least keep their jobs and collect a paycheck for a while before getting fired.

 

And I'm sick of people treating the quarterback position like something sacred. As if replacing the starting QB for a game (or even just a half) is some sort of travesty like the coach is destroying the sanctity of football by doing it. It's one position. If the QB plays poorly then the next guy should be given a chance. Who cares?

 

Say what you want about McDermott - but I applaud him for his willingness to try something to turn around an anemic offense. It didn't work and it was wrong.

 

McDermott went for it and the conversion failed.

 

Terrible read with his rookie QB not looking anywhere close competent despite his proclamation that he was "ready".  He deserves to be roasted.  

[White Linen]

Watching the Eagles has me feeling Reich would have been the better choice.

Watching the Eagles has me feeling Reich would have been the better choice.

[BillsFan130]

I'm somewhat of a TT fan but I didn't mind the switch for the game. I think they needed a change. It didn't work out of course.

 

The problem I have with McDermott is his defence. Isn't this guy supposed to be a defensive coach?? 

 

Bottom 10 defence in the league... Way to fix Rex's mess there bud

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The odd crucifixion of Sean McDermott by the media simply because he decided to try something different by seeing if a rookie QB could spark the offense is strange to me...but far from surprising. 

 

I'm always on football coaches (especially in the NFL) for being too conservative. I call most of them gutless meatheads because they ignore analytics when they punt on 4th and 2 from the opponent's 39 yard line.

 

But it's obvious why they are the way they are.

 

Because football coaches are much more likely to be ridiculed when they go for it and don't convert than they are when they punt.

 

Coaches who take risks put themselves out there. And are blasted when that risk doesn't work out. Meanwhile, the coaches who never take risks are able to skate by with little attention. Sure, they'll rarely succeed...but they at least keep their jobs and collect a paycheck for a while before getting fired.

 

And I'm sick of people treating the quarterback position like something sacred. As if replacing the starting QB for a game (or even just a half) is some sort of travesty like the coach is destroying the sanctity of football by doing it. It's one position. If the QB plays poorly then the next guy should be given a chance. Who cares?

 

Say what you want about McDermott - but I applaud him for his willingness to try something to turn around an anemic offense. It didn't work and it was wrong.

 

McDermott went for it and the conversion failed.

It's a great point and I agree completely . It's a big part of the reason why I supported the move while surprised at the same time. It was thinking outside the box, and made sense vs Tyrods former OC in a small stadium with little fan support. The media criticize coaches for being conservative then lambaste them when they aren't. Mike Schopp is always criticizing NFL coaches for their conservatism, yet was adamantly against this move. Why? Taylor had struggled and teams were keeping him in the pocket. Lynn was likely to do the same as he is familiar with Taylor's abilities and flaws. This venue was really the only one the schedule might allow while the playoffs are still possible. The Colts game might have been too late.  Tyrod can jump start his career next Sunday as there is no way McD goes with Peterman there. 

[Ol Dirty B]

Uh... the reaction isn't odd, and like it or not, the media... especially the national media that you guys hate, were right. Everyone who called this a dumb move was right.

 

It's not an odd crucifixion, the decision was odd. And shown to be. McDermott may have made one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen, and we've all seen a lot as Bills fans. The difference is this isn't a heat of the moment decision, he said he thought about it and slept on it. 

 

I'm all for being aggressive and going on it on 4th down but this wasn't that, this was just stupid.

[TheElectricCompany]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Terrible read with his rookie QB not looking anywhere close competent despite his proclamation that he was "ready".  He deserves to be roasted.  

That's what I keep wondering, what in the world were McD & Dennison seeing out Peterman to think he would be a spark? 

This has nothing to do with aggressiveness, scheme improvement, "better for the team", blah blah blah. 

That was a terrible decision that they should correct ASAP. Keep playing TT. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by TheElectricCompany

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, TheElectricCompany said:

That's what I keep wondering, what in the world were McD & Dennison seeing out Peterman to think he would be a spark? 

 

Perhaps he looked good in practice. After all he was going against the Bills defense. 

[fridge]

14 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The odd crucifixion of Sean McDermott by the media simply because he decided to try something different by seeing if a rookie QB could spark the offense is strange to me...but far from surprising. 

 

I'm always on football coaches (especially in the NFL) for being too conservative. I call most of them gutless meatheads because they ignore analytics when they punt on 4th and 2 from the opponent's 39 yard line.

 

But it's obvious why they are the way they are.

 

Because football coaches are much more likely to be ridiculed when they go for it and don't convert than they are when they punt.

 

Coaches who take risks put themselves out there. And are blasted when that risk doesn't work out. Meanwhile, the coaches who never take risks are able to skate by with little attention. Sure, they'll rarely succeed...but they at least keep their jobs and collect a paycheck for a while before getting fired.

 

And I'm sick of people treating the quarterback position like something sacred. As if replacing the starting QB for a game (or even just a half) is some sort of travesty like the coach is destroying the sanctity of football by doing it. It's one position. If the QB plays poorly then the next guy should be given a chance. Who cares?

 

Say what you want about McDermott - but I applaud him for his willingness to try something to turn around an anemic offense. It didn't work and it was wrong.

 

McDermott went for it and the conversion failed.

 

This is my favorite take on the last week of Bills football.

 

We're getting killed out there and the coach tried to shake it up rather than take his team to the slaughterhouse.

[C.Biscuit97]

I hate, hate the sports media.  Bunch of dorks who got bullied by jocks in high school and now get to get revenge through the safety of a computer screen.

 

but they are 100% right and he should be killed. It was a brain dead move. Just like trading Dareus. It's one thing if you spent a 1st on a guy.  But it was a 5th rounder who was ok against guys out of the NFL in preseason.

 

Just another dumb move by SM.  

[Wayne Arnold]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Terrible read with his rookie QB not looking anywhere close competent despite his proclamation that he was "ready".  He deserves to be roasted.  

 

He looked pretty competent until our fullback let a ball go through his hands and into the arms of a defender. He shouldn't have thrown the second pick but it didn't result in anything worse than punting from the 1. The third pick was Jordan Mills being Jordan Mills. The fourth pick he was run into by Shady as he was throwing. By the fifth pick he was shell-shocked.

 

A mixture of bad luck, terrible teammates, and inexperience. Should the coaching staff have seen that coming? Debatable. 

[87168]

1 minute ago, fridge said:

 

This is my favorite take on the last week of Bills football.

 

We're getting killed out there and the coach tried to shake it up rather than take his team to the slaughterhouse.

weird. that's exactly what his decision did.

[Kirby Jackson]

I agree in general with how dumb football people are. They are always the last people to adapt. The league is full of Gronks and not Theo Epstein’s. We have so much information now that ignoring it is criminal.

 

In in this case though he got crushed because of the timing. The Bills were the 5 seed with a win. I think everyone believes that Tyrod gives them the best chance to win. If it wasn’t clear to some, it is abundantly clear now. McDermott took the heat because they were a playoff team and made a ridiculous decision. It didn’t work and the football people don’t seem surprised. There is a time and a place to be bold but this was like going on 4th and 26 at you own 10. It’s bold and different and may spark things but it is still really stupid.

[87168]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He looked pretty competent until our fullback let a ball go through his hands and into the arms of a defender. He shouldn't have thrown the second pick but it didn't result in anything worse than punting from the 1. The third pick was Jordan Mills being Jordan Mills. The fourth pick he was run into by Shady as he was throwing. By the fifth pick he was shell-shocked.

 

A mixture of bad luck, terrible teammates, and inexperience. Should the coaching staff have seen that coming? Debatable. 

I wonder if you  would offer TT this many excuses. other than the first int, the rest could have been avoided.

 

you wanted a qb that passes. you got it.

[1billsfan]

8 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The odd crucifixion of Sean McDermott by the media simply because he decided to try something different by seeing if a rookie QB could spark the offense is strange to me...but far from surprising. 

 

I'm always on football coaches (especially in the NFL) for being too conservative. I call most of them gutless meatheads because they ignore analytics when they punt on 4th and 2 from the opponent's 39 yard line.

 

But it's obvious why they are the way they are.

 

Because football coaches are much more likely to be ridiculed when they go for it and don't convert than they are when they punt.

 

Coaches who take risks put themselves out there. And are blasted when that risk doesn't work out. Meanwhile, the coaches who never take risks are able to skate by with little attention. Sure, they'll rarely succeed...but they at least keep their jobs and collect a paycheck for a while before getting fired.

 

And I'm sick of people treating the quarterback position like something sacred. As if replacing the starting QB for a game (or even just a half) is some sort of travesty like the coach is destroying the sanctity of football by doing it. It's one position. If the QB plays poorly then the next guy should be given a chance. Who cares?

 

Say what you want about McDermott - but I applaud him for his willingness to try something to turn around an anemic offense. It didn't work and it was wrong.

 

McDermott went for it and the conversion failed.

 

Back in the day, Phil Simms was benched by Parcells, Terry Bradshaw was benched by Knoll. Both were high draft picks (Bradshaw #1 overall). I like that McDermott was bold enough to bench the former 6th round pick Taylor, who was just not progressing like he should have especially with this being his seventh season in the NFL. You have to dare to be great if you are ever going to amount to something. McDermott seems like he will do what he wants and will not let the media or anyone else influence his decisions. This is a trait that the all of great coaches have. Taylor lost his job because he wasn't taking chances. He was coached to take chances and he did not follow the orders to do so. So he got benched. Let's just see what Taylor's game looks like now (post benching) in Kansas City. 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He looked pretty competent until our fullback let a ball go through his hands and into the arms of a defender. He shouldn't have thrown the second pick but it didn't result in anything worse than punting from the 1. The third pick was Jordan Mills being Jordan Mills. The fourth pick he was run into by Shady as he was throwing. By the fifth pick he was shell-shocked.

 

A mixture of bad luck, terrible teammates, and inexperience. Should the coaching staff have seen that coming? Debatable. 

 

Excuses. He was horrid. 

[Marty McFly]

It was stupid period. This is, and was, Tyrod Taylors team, they voted him captain. The rookie wasnt ready to start, the team wasnt ready for the rookie to start either and it showed. Im all for coaches making aggressive in game decisions. This was not the same thing. This was a personell switch based on a call from the OC who couldnt mold his gameplans around his roster to make them work. 

 

McDerm made a move that lost him the locker room, he has to eat the crow now, he fried it. Hopefully he has the sense to bring in a new OC this offseason.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He looked pretty competent until our fullback let a ball go through his hands and into the arms of a defender. He shouldn't have thrown the second pick but it didn't result in anything worse than punting from the 1. The third pick was Jordan Mills being Jordan Mills. The fourth pick he was run into by Shady as he was throwing. By the fifth pick he was shell-shocked.

 

A mixture of bad luck, terrible teammates, and inexperience. Should the coaching staff have seen that coming? Debatable. 

Come on man, if TT played like that, you would have crucified him for months... Haha. He had no help, but he was awful with the exception of his first drive

[Wayne Arnold]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Excuses. He was horrid. 

 

Not excuses. Analysis.

[Jackington]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He looked pretty competent until our fullback let a ball go through his hands and into the arms of a defender. He shouldn't have thrown the second pick but it didn't result in anything worse than punting from the 1. The third pick was Jordan Mills being Jordan Mills. The fourth pick he was run into by Shady as he was throwing. By the fifth pick he was shell-shocked.

 

A mixture of bad luck, terrible teammates, and inexperience. Should the coaching staff have seen that coming? Debatable. 

This is one of the most hilarious posts I have ever seen on any football message board. 

[Steve Billieve]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.  People love to judge decisions based on outcomes instead of possible outcomes.

 

I wonder what the game would have looked like if Benjamin hadn't gone down immediately.  I'm sure he was a big part of their game plan.  After that, a pick six that wasn't Peterman's fault, and then to immediately have a pick when your hit.  I'm not sure many rookie QBs would be able to pick themselves up after that.

 

Having KB catch contested balls all day would be my game plan going into the game.

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

6 minutes ago, fridge said:

 

This is my favorite take on the last week of Bills football.

 

We're getting killed out there and the coach tried to shake it up rather than take his team to the slaughterhouse.

 

He was making a scape goat, not shaking things up.

 

What did this defensive coach do to change his defense that has been torched for three weeks straight? Cut a meaningless DT? 

 

He's totally abandoned taking responsibility for 3 weeks now. 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Come on man, if TT played like that, you would have crucified him for months... Haha. He had no help, but he was awful with the exception of his first drive

 

Not if Taylor was a rookie replacing the mediocre third-year starter who was taking us nowhere.

[Maine-iac]

I think they know the Dareus trade has effectively ended their season.  They are shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.  Without any defense they're just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.  Peterman was never going to score enough to win with this defense.  Worse yet that might be why I think he could actually start again next week.  They know this defense is incapable of winning most games.  If they don't know that Taylor gives them the best chance at winning when the defense is playing well then they shouldn't be coaching.  If the defense can't stop anyone then why not start evaluating players.  If they think the defense can get better then we'll see Taylor next week.

[bouds]

Looked competent?  Luckily for Peterman the entire team was incompetent so his subpar play, one of the worst in NFL History, isn't entirely on him (Tyrod faces similar constraints, but lets ignore that for a minute).  After all, his coaches are incompetent for thinking he could go out and win that game when he's surrounded by incompetence.  So I guess that's why coaches take so much ****, when their teams display incompetence they get called on it, and it's exactly what happened here.

Edited November 20, 2017 by bouds

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Not excuses. Analysis.

 

Call it what you will.  You're trying to excuse away poor decsion making by a flawed, marginally talented rookie QB whose weaknesses were on full display. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Call it what you will.  You're trying to excuse away poor decsion making by a flawed, marginally talented rookie QB who's weaknesses were on full display. 

Whose*

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Not if Taylor was a rookie replacing the mediocre third-year starter who was taking us nowhere.

Well that's setting different standards though and making excuses because of his inexperience.

 

Rookie or 15 year pro, his performance was awful today.

 

I will agree he had no help, but neither has TT all year

 

[fridge]

Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

He was making a scape goat, not shaking things up.

 

What did this defensive coach do to change his defense that has been torched for three weeks straight? Cut a meaningless DT? 

 

He's totally abandoned taking responsibility for 3 weeks now. 

 

How do you officially take responsibility? What do you want him to do?

 

I mean, these three games speak for themselves. I'm not defending his ability to coach, I'm defending his right to make bold decisions.

[Ol Dirty B]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He looked pretty competent until our fullback let a ball go through his hands and into the arms of a defender. He shouldn't have thrown the second pick but it didn't result in anything worse than punting from the 1. The third pick was Jordan Mills being Jordan Mills. The fourth pick he was run into by Shady as he was throwing. By the fifth pick he was shell-shocked.

 

A mixture of bad luck, terrible teammates, and inexperience. Should the coaching staff have seen that coming? Debatable. 

 

So he looked good on one attempt? I agree that was a nice throw to Benjamin. That was like the only nice thing he did all day.  You can't be serious with this. The guy was throwing punts up when he should have taken sacks. And Tyrod dealt with the same terrible line and hasn't thrown as many interceptions all year

Just now, fridge said:

 

How do you officially take responsibility? What do you want him to do?

 

I mean, these three games speak for themselves. I'm not defending his ability to coach, I'm defending his right to make bold decisions.

 

Have you listened to his pressers?

 

And I feel like you keep confusing bold and aggressive as being synonymous with wrong. 4th and 2 from your own 30 or whatever is bold, letting the team score because you need the ball back is bold and aggressive. 

 

Throwing Peterman out there behind a crappy line against a good pass rushing defense at this point is just dumb.

 

I never said he didn't have the right to make that decision, you appear to be the one who wants to reject rights because you want to reject criticism. I don't recall anyone ever saying that he can't do it, just that it was odd or wrong. And those people have been shown to be right. I'm not sure you have a point at all here.

[fridge]

16 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So he looked good on one attempt? I agree that was a nice throw to Benjamin. That was like the only nice thing he did all day.  You can't be serious with this. The guy was throwing punts up when he should have taken sacks. And Tyrod dealt with the same terrible line and hasn't thrown as many interceptions all year

 

Have you listened to his pressers?

 

And I feel like you keep confusing bold and aggressive as being synonymous with wrong. 4th and 2 from your own 30 or whatever is bold, letting the team score because you need the ball back is bold and aggressive. 

 

Throwing Peterman out there behind a crappy line against a good pass rushing defense at this point is just dumb.

 

I never said he didn't have the right to make that decision, you appear to be the one who wants to reject rights because you want to reject criticism. I don't recall anyone ever saying that he can't do it, just that it was odd or wrong. And those people have been shown to be right. I'm not sure you have a point at all here.

 

Huh? You inferred a lot there. I'm not the OP, you realize that right?

 

I don't even know what you mean about rejecting criticism. Impossible to respond to, really.

[Ol Dirty B]

11 minutes ago, fridge said:

 

Huh? You inferred a lot there. I'm not the OP, you realize that right?

 

I don't even know what you mean about rejecting criticism. Impossible to respond to, really.

 

Sorry, I just took you as the OP since you said you're defending his right to make bold decisions. So yea sorry, I made a lot of inferences because if thats all you can say like what are you even saying?

 

That's all you add? You don't explain it at all, who are you defending this right for Sean McDermott from that people are clamoring to take it away from him in vain?

 

Edit- still think most of the post holds up given what you said.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Ol Dirty B

[xxxxxxxx]

He made the decision to start an unproven rookie QB that was drafted in the 5th round when his team was in playoff contention against one of the more talented defensive lines in the league when his franchise left tackle was out with an injury. In doing so he probably lost the respect of the locker room, and most certainly lost the respect of most of the league. If he wanted to roll the dice on Peterman, maybe, just maybe, he should have waited until he was at home with a functioning line, cause he may have just ruined this kid.

No wait its a media conspiracy. FAKE NEWS. FAKE NEWS.

[GreggTX]

OP, I agree. TT is not the answer. Why not give the kid a shot? I don't think I'd start him again too soon, but TT isn't taking us to the playoffs either. I don't see this team winning many more games this year, if any.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

39 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

 If the defense can't stop anyone then why not start evaluating players.  

 

This was my take.  They are looking at 2018 and they know they don't want TT next year.  Why not see of Peterman is a possibility?  

Regardless what they say, MCBean has been about 2018 since preseason.  Now at least they know they need to draft a QB in first or second round.  Peterman is definitely NOT the guy.

[Ol Dirty B]

41 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Whose*

 

You added so much to the conversation.  Seriously man, what's your point with that?

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

8 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

If he wanted to roll the dice on Peterman, maybe, just maybe, he should have waited until he was at home with a functioning line, cause he may have just ruined this kid.

 

Good point there.