Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Check your game log stats again and tell me how many Defensive snaps he played against TB. 33% of the snaps on the year. I couldn't care less about 1 individual game. That just shows outside of Tampa...our worst defensive performance of the year...Dareus really hasn't played. It only strengthens my argument and weakens yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) I see a very weak coaching staff and FO. A player rubs them wrong get rid of said player Value be damed Edited October 28, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Then I guess we disagree. Xavier Omon, Cary Harris, Danny Batten, Chris White, Mark Asper, Dustin Hopkins, Nick OLeary, Tony Steward, Kolby Listenbee, Kevon Seymour and Tanner Vallejo are the 6th round picks over the last decade. If you are feeling good about that and $2M of cap space more power to ya. IMO, its a mistake. Feeling good? I'd say it's more indifferent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 If he makes the Pro-Bowl we should get a third, multiple pro-bowls, a first in 2019. we don't need a 6th next year. We should have gotten higher picks in 2019 based on performance or a starter. It's like you think these options were possible and Beane opted for a worse option. They have been trying to trade him since the Summer. No one wanted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Ok I just looked it up. Dareus played just over 33% of the snaps this year. I guess our D was good on 33% of the snaps and terrible the other 67%. No but if he played 100% of the time you could triple his stats no? That would actually put him close to his PBowl 2014 year, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Nice twisted stats your keep putting out there Explain how it's twisted? It's fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Dick Jauron and Marv were trying to develop a culture as well. I recall the term "football character" frequently thrown around on this board like it was a guarantee to work. Only problem is culture needs to be balanced with talent. It should be concerning that Coach McD isn't motivating young wealthy men to play hard. Dareus had issues and we know he wasn't buying in. Good thing McBean is accumulating these draft picks. They're going to be using most of them now to fill needs at DT, LB, WR, RB, TE, and hopefully QB. It doesnt happen often but we are 100% in agreement. The line about balancing culture and talent is so, so true and something to keep an eye on. There has to be a balance. Great stuff BillsVet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Ive factored in the $14M of dead space next year (hence the $2M in cap space created).Right. Once you account for the sunk costs to the cap... its would you trade a 6th for dareus on a $2m deal if you re-frame it I would bring in that talent at that. We just said no to it. Edited October 28, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 33% of the snaps on the year. I couldn't care less about 1 individual game. That just shows outside of Tampa...our worst defensive performance of the year...Dareus really hasn't played. It only strengthens my argument and weakens yours. Post the site your gettinf that number. Because i bet you are counting his INJ missed plays as wel. But your agenda i got it Explain how it's twisted? It's fact Show it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 And I can respect that. IMO, the player we knew to be Dareus a few years ago is long gone. Oh, Im sure hell come out and dominate his first series or two in Jax, but character always reverts to form. And Marrone is not a good match for Dareus, either, IMO. Dareus played for Schwartz, not Marrone. Most of the players didnt like Marrone even a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Ever since signed that big contract Dareus signed he went very bad ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 And I can respect that. IMO, the player we knew to be Dareus a few years ago is long gone. Oh, I’m sure he’ll come out and dominate his first series or two in Jax, but character always reverts to form. And Marrone is not a good match for Dareus, either, IMO. Dareus played for Schwartz, not Marrone. Most of the players didn’t like Marrone even a little bit. Yup. Dareus is a unique character. I don't think he's the jerk people make him out to be. I do think you can't excuse his behavior anymore. I do think that his teammates like him more than don't. It's possible that we will be better without him with all overachievers. That has yet to be determined. And who knows whether Dareus will perform for Todd Wash, the DC of the Jags. I know nothing about him except they kept him because his D was top ten last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Feeling good? I'd say it's more indifferent. If you gave me the option of Dareus or Vallejo and $2M in cap space Im taking Dareus 10 times out of 10. Thats why I dont like the move. Edited October 28, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Somewhere, someplace, nix is not fist pumping. good trade or not, i dont care. mcbean has shown me enough through six games to have my confidence on to the raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) it seemed to me like they had one extra DT. When Dareus was healthy enough to be active, either Worthy or Adolphus was inactive. Their numbers seem fine. Not numbers. Talent. Washington was thought to be almost out of here a few weeks ago. Worthy's only played 52 snaps all season. Thorton weighs 299, so he's not stacking anything... Edited October 28, 2017 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 He looked pretty good in the last five minutes. He was a tub of goo for the first 45. and what about those missing 10 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I really hope there's some part to this that everyone who has reported on it so far is getting wrong. (Jax is on the hook for the 2018 guaranteed portion of Dareus's salary or something) If we really traded a 2x probowl DT (within the AFC to a wildcard competitor) to save $7mil over 2 years and gain a 6th round pick I don't know what to say. We could have saved more money cutting Dimarco/Ducasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 @spotrac The #Bills now have a combined $16.2M in 2017 dead cap allocated to Sammy Watkins & Marcell Dareus, their former #3 & #4 overall draft picks "You're welcome." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 No but if he played 100% of the time you could triple his stats no? That would actually put him close to his PBowl 2014 year, Is that how it works in the real world? I guess if you doubled Taylor's pass attempts he would be Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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