TFBillsfan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 10-6 or better with TT, given the dearth of receiver talent on this squad, I'm betting the staff opts to keep TT a few more years, see how Peterman develops in the mean time or maybe pull the trigger on a good prospect if they fall to us over the next few drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 10-6 or better with TT, given the dearth of receiver talent on this squad, I'm betting the staff opts to keep TT a few more years, see how Peterman develops in the mean time or maybe pull the trigger on a good prospect if they fall to us over the next few drafts. While I am still in the draft a qb at the right value spot camp.....if TT keeps this up and the team is winning I dont want to give up the farm to move up anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans No. Recent years it seems the some of the guys who turn out OK fall down in the draft a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans I'm not sure that Baltimore isn't on the list..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 It's not necessarily one vs. the other. Prime example is KC who hopes they can accomplish both with the acquisition and grooming of Mahomes while remaining a playoff caliber team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 It is far more likely that Tyrod Taylor is our franchise QB than any generic 1st round QB from the last 10 years. Once you get past pick #2 finding even a starting level QB becomes an extremely low probability. And it's only 50/50 for #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 I'm not sure that Baltimore isn't on the list..... Agree, I knew I probably missed a few. My point was some teams may reload with another stud QB for years to come while we continue to spin with average QB play based upon a winning season in what is deemed as a QB rich draft unless you give up the farm and then some to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Bills have a reasonably-priced option on Taylor for 2018 if they choose to keep him? Hell, draft a QB to develop and compete with Peterman. Draft another in 2019 if those 2 work out and Taylor is let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans A lot of the comments so far are not really addressing what you are getting at, and this does raise an interesting issue/talking point. Luckily, we don't have to figure this out right now, b/c the season is young. But if we continue to win and threaten to be a playoff team, it does sort of throw the "get a great QB prospect" plan in the trash bin. There is a caveat here! If we continue to win this year and truly threaten to make the playoffs or actually do make the playoffs, it will be because this is sort of an off year in the AFC, NE is beatable, Brady is off his game, etc... It's a question of timing and catching the rest of the league and more so the AFC at the right time. Because of that, I would be all in on "win now" and see how the QB/draft plays out after the smoke clears. If we make the playoffs in a year the Patriots are off their game and there is not a lot of talent floating around the AFC, who knows what we could accomplish. This isn't the NHL! You don't need to win 4 out of every 7 games for 2 months to win the championship... You get hot and catch the right opponents at the right time for a couple of weeks, and the next thing you know you are in the AFC championship game or maybe even the Superbowl. Can you guys imagine this team in the AFC championship game?! I wouldn't know what to do. My head would explode. It would be fantastic. Edited October 5, 2017 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans The possibility of playoffs affecting draft position is a good problem to have. I think it's early for that, but still a good problem. However, this team needs to take a QB high next year regardless of how well we finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans Whatever happens, happens. I'll be rooting for the Bills to win until they're mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. After that I'll focus on draft position. Then I'll watch the NFL playoffs, then college basketball, then the Masters, then finally I'll take a look at the draft. Edited October 5, 2017 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 The possibility of playoffs affecting draft position is a good problem to have. I think it's early for that, but still a good problem. However, this team needs to take a QB high next year regardless of how well we finish. I'm completely against that strategy. Taking a QB just to take one regardless of who's on the board is not worth it. If they really feel a QB can be a consistent top 10 passer they should do what they can to get him but if it doesn't work out there's no need to panic. I'm all for taking a QB every year at this point, just not necessarily high in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 We went 9-7 with Uncle Rico. There's no reason why we couldn't do that with Tyrod if all of the cards fell the right way. Ok, but are we any closer to winning the super bowl? Then the next year we go 7-9 and cut Tyrod and start from scratch. We've already been there done that. I'm glad they are winning and it's exciting but we might be setting this team back many years by doing so. Until we get a franchise QB we are going to be a .500 team +-1 game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) If you're good enough to win with our current crop of WR's, you take that and hope having NFL caliber weapons makes you a serious contender. Take the QB where you can and cross your fingers. There could very well be a second round guy who makes the grade in this draft (or a guy who falls to wherever we pick in the first). Edited October 5, 2017 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Translating QBs to today's NFL is a crapshoot. They DO NOT groom college QBs to be successful NFL QBs. College coaches care about winning and saving their job... That means gimmicky offenses and less developed QBs. The days of stud star QBs are almost behind us. The likes of Luck, Manning, and Elway are just that. Once every 15-20 year prospects. It's all about finding the guy that fits your scheme and building the offense around them. Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. Same wth Rosen, he can easily become another cutler. Find the guy whose traits fit your offense the most and develop him. Franchise QBs will need to be coached up... they aren't ready made 99% of the time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Bills have a reasonably-priced option on Taylor for 2018 if they choose to keep him? Hell, draft a QB to develop and compete with Peterman. Draft another in 2019 if those 2 work out and Taylor is let go. ^ This ... ESPECIALLY if we go 10-6 or better this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Translating QBs to today's NFL is a crapshoot. They DO NOT groom college QBs to be successful NFL QBs. College coaches care about winning and saving their job... That means gimmicky offenses and less developed QBs. The days of stud star QBs are almost behind us. The likes of Luck, Manning, and Elway are just that. Once every 15-20 year prospects. It's all about finding the guy that fits your scheme and building the offense around them. Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. Same wth Rosen, he can easily become another cutler. Find the guy whose traits fit your offense the most and develop him. Franchise QBs will need to be coached up... they aren't ready made 99% of the time now Speaking of which...if you are a top 5 QB out of HS, don't you want to look for a pro style offense that will prepare you? I think I would. Maybe I'm missing something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 A lot of the comments so far are not really addressing what you are getting at, and this does raise an interesting issue/talking point. Luckily, we don't have to figure this out right now, b/c the season is young. But if we continue to win and threaten to be a playoff team, it does sort of throw the "get a great QB prospect" plan in the trash bin. There is a caveat here! If we continue to win this year and truly threaten to make the playoffs or actually do make the playoffs, it will be because this is sort of an off year in the AFC, NE is beatable, Brady is off his game, etc... It's a question of timing and catching the rest of the league and more so the AFC at the right time. Because of that, I would be all in on "win now" and see how the QB/draft plays out after the smoke clears. If we make the playoffs in a year the Patriots are off their game and there is not a lot of talent floating around the AFC, who knows what we could accomplish. This isn't the NHL! You don't need to win 4 out of every 7 games for 2 months to win the championship... You get hot and catch the right opponents at the right time for a couple of weeks, and the next thing you know you are in the AFC championship game or maybe even the Superbowl. Can you guys imagine this team in the AFC championship game?! I wouldn't know what to do. My head would explode. It would be fantastic. Look at the chiefs. They were in the final four, still drafted one of the top 3 QBs in Mahomes by trading with us. So its not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 How about a winning season and a franchise QB... as in Tyrod Taylor continuing to play well this year? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Speaking of which...if you are a top 5 QB out of HS, don't you want to look for a pro style offense that will prepare you? I think I would. Maybe I'm missing something... Absolutely that would be fantastic for most kids! HS QBs are broken up into 3 groups now. Pocket passer, runner, and dual threat. Unfortunately most of the top 5 QBs all fall under the "dual threat" category and are all highly recruited by spread schemes like Ohio State, Clemson etc Mitch Trubisky was labeled the #1 dual threat. He most likely wasn't recruited by Stanford Now if I am a top 5 pocket passer I most certainly would be looking at Stanford, Mich St, Pittsburgh, Iowa , Wisconsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Translating QBs to today's NFL is a crapshoot. They DO NOT groom college QBs to be successful NFL QBs. College coaches care about winning and saving their job... That means gimmicky offenses and less developed QBs. The days of stud star QBs are almost behind us. The likes of Luck, Manning, and Elway are just that. Once every 15-20 year prospects. It's all about finding the guy that fits your scheme and building the offense around them. Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. Same wth Rosen, he can easily become another cutler. Find the guy whose traits fit your offense the most and develop him. Franchise QBs will need to be coached up... they aren't ready made 99% of the time now QBs are not groomed to be successful in the NFL while still in college, true...but that does not mean that great NFL type QBs can't be found in the college ranks. The key is to look at individual traits/talents that will translate to the NFL game, and don't focus on irrelevantly confusing things like college wins, yards of offense, completion %, etc... There will always be the great QBs at the college level who seem to have what it takes to play in the NFL, and they will always be fought over by NFL teams with high draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 QBs are not groomed to be successful in the NFL while still in college, true...but that does not mean that great NFL type QBs can't be found in the college ranks. The key is to look at individual traits/talents that will translate to the NFL game, and don't focus on irrelevantly confusing things like college wins, yards of offense, completion %, etc... There will always be the great QBs at the college level who seem to have what it takes to play in the NFL, and they will always be fought over by NFL teams with high draft picks. Ummm that's exactly what I said... you must look for the traits... Because John Elway isn't coming out again. You can find him 10th overall or the 3rd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. There are reports that he may stay another year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 How about a winning season and a franchise QB... as in Tyrod Taylor continuing to play well this year? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Well that would be great, but that's entirely the point....if we are picking 20th or worse, one of the top 4 or 5 guys won't be around back there in the draft. Unless we package picks and do a deal to move way up....that could be hard though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 There are reports that he may stay another year I've been saying since July he is staying. It makes no sense to leave after his RS sophomore year. He needs more time to develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Ummm that's exactly what I said... you must look for the traits... Because John Elway isn't coming out again. You can find him 10th overall or the 3rd round Maybe, but the top prospects aren't going in the 3rd round. I guess you are saying we can always get lucky and find someone that NFL teams did not evaluate as being a good NFL QB prospect while in college. True...but I prefer being more purposeful than that though. We all know who the top QBs are right now and which we are following on Saturdays. There's a reason all the talk focuses on them, and not the guy who is going to end up going in the 5th round. Sure, the guy going in the 5th round could prove to be the best of them all, but that would random dumb luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Take the best QB on the board with the 1st 1st (assuming the value is there) and build a great team with your other 5 early round picks. Keep Tyrod and have a competition in camp. Best man wins. Then go become the Chiefs: 12 or 13 wins a year while you get the QB spot nailed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Translating QBs to today's NFL is a crapshoot. They DO NOT groom college QBs to be successful NFL QBs. College coaches care about winning and saving their job... That means gimmicky offenses and less developed QBs. The days of stud star QBs are almost behind us. The likes of Luck, Manning, and Elway are just that. Once every 15-20 year prospects. It's all about finding the guy that fits your scheme and building the offense around them. Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. Same wth Rosen, he can easily become another cutler. Find the guy whose traits fit your offense the most and develop him. Franchise QBs will need to be coached up... they aren't ready made 99% of the time now There are a few schools, like USC, that still run an NFL friendly style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs". Although you can look around the NFL and find a few QBs worse than Tyrod, the QB position on this team remains one of the most upgradeable positions. Once we get the operation up and running with some coherency and a vision for near term and long term goals, we can then try to win in the short term while planning for the QB of the future all at the same time. For now, we kind of have to choose, to an extent. I'm not sure some fans realize just what dire straits this organization has been in, for quite some time. The whole thing needs to get fixed... Luckly, the guys at OBD right now seem to be off to a really good start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Maybe, but the top prospects aren't going in the 3rd round. I guess you are saying we can always get lucky and find someone that NFL teams did not evaluate as being a good NFL QB prospect while in college. True...but I prefer being more purposeful than that though. We all know who the top QBs are right now and which we are following on Saturdays. There's a reason all the talk focuses on them, and not the guy who is going to end up going in the 5th round. Sure, the guy going in the 5th round could prove to be the best of them all, but that would random dumb luck. Well yes first round guys are more highly touted, but it doesn't mean better anymore. As I said the days of luck, manning and elway are over. You are just as likely to draft Blaine gabbert in the first as you are a good QB Brees, second round. Romo, undrafted. Wilson, third round. Dalton, second round. TT 4th round, Brady , 6th. For every Matt Ryan 3rd overall there are 10 Jake lockers I fully understand that talents like Rosen don't last til round 3 but he can easily be jay cutler... he isn't Andrew luck or Matt Ryan territory Edited October 5, 2017 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans Franchise QBs get drafted in mid and late 1st round. It does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 There are a few schools, like USC, that still run an NFL friendly style. Definitely USC, Stanford, Iowa, Mich St, Wisconsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs". Ever considered we have the worst wr group in the NFL? Not only fans but even all the analyst are saying we can't continue to win because of our WR, and everyone except Bills fans say that Tyrod Taylor is balling! If TT can win with our current WRs, why not get a couple real weapons for him that can help him. Its been pretty impressive what TT and this defense has accomplished to this point with the current roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) We went 9-7 with Uncle Rico. There's no reason why we couldn't do that with Tyrod if all of the cards fell the right way. Ok, but are we any closer to winning the super bowl? Then the next year we go 7-9 and cut Tyrod and start from scratch. We've already been there done that. I'm glad they are winning and it's exciting but we might be setting this team back many years by doing so. Until we get a franchise QB we are going to be a .500 team +-1 game Well.. right. But McBeanes need to compete this season week to week-- its their job. they need to build a culture, a brotherhood as they say. I'd rather the current path than a 3-13 trash heap finish .... looks like with these two "the process" they want everyone to trust is a better, more positive path than a dumpster fire with a top QB draftee as a consolation prize for completely sucking. The 50 year fan in me is really totally ok with not totally sucking, for one. Edited October 5, 2017 by 8-8 Forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Well.. right. But McBeanes need to compete right now. they need to build a culture, a brotherhood as they say. I'd rather the current path than a 3-13 trash heap finish .... looks like with these two "the process" they want everyone to trust is a better, more positive path than a dumpster fire with a top QB draftee as a consolation prize for completely sucking. The 50 year fan in me is really totally ok with not totally sucking, for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs". 30th in passing is predicated on attempts. You might want to base it on how good Tyrod is in the attempts he does get instead of the low yardage due to low attempts. I think the Bills should draft a QB but I don't want to see them spend all the capital they have to get one. Unless the guy they are getting is the next greatest sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 The possibility of playoffs affecting draft position is a good problem to have. I think it's early for that, but still a good problem. However, this team needs to take a QB high next year regardless of how well we finish. Ummmmm..... nope. That's just an atrocious approach to the draft. Well that would be great, but that's entirely the point....if we are picking 20th or worse, one of the top 4 or 5 guys won't be around back there in the draft. Unless we package picks and do a deal to move way up....that could be hard though. I don't think you understood my post. In my scenario, Tyrod Taylor is our Franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Ummmmm..... nope. That's just an atrocious approach to the draft. KC disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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