CommonCents Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 This sounds weird. For the reason of being out, is it headaches? Menstral cramps would have sounded much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Gilmore is a waste of talent and money. So glad he is not a Bill and thy he is a Patriot. Enjoy him Patriots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 This sounds weird. For the reason of being out, is it headaches?Percy Harvin syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Sounds like he's concussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 @josinaanderson Yes, #Patriots CB Stephon Gilmore is not traveling with the team. I'm told he has been experiencing some headaches, per source. My understanding is #Pats CB Stephon Gilmore has been experiencing some headaches ever since after the #Bucs game--after play w/ Mike Evans. I didn't see...was he hurt on that play? Concussion protocol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I didn't see...was he hurt on that play? Concussion protocol? not that I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I didn't see...was he hurt on that play? Concussion protocol? Per source: Toxic Shock Syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Per source: Toxic Shock Syndrome Well, he has always been allergic to taking responsibility for !@#$ing up on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Gilmore not at practice today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Gilmore not at practice today. Still in concussion protocol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 That's weird, the media told me he was the best corner ever and the pats made us look silly. There are those of us on the board who disliked him and were continually told we were delusional. Any corner who can't or won't tackle, isn't the best cover guy on the field, and draws a lot of dumb penalties, yet is constantly hyped, is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 He was good after his very first few games as a bill. The next year saw the same with darby. The year after that was the arrival of rex and our defense was hosed - those two corner backs especially were affected. Coach Donnie (I think) was the guy who they did well under but he left or was released when rex came to town before he wrapped his stupid truck even. By at least last year Gilmore was afraid to tackle - or simply unwilling. Good riddance to bad rubbish. He had potential though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 He was good after his very first few games as a bill. The next year saw the same with darby. The year after that was the arrival of rex and our defense was hosed - those two corner backs especially were affected. Coach Donnie (I think) was the guy who they did well under but he left or was released when rex came to town before he wrapped his stupid truck even. By at least last year Gilmore was afraid to tackle - or simply unwilling. Good riddance to bad rubbish. He had potential though. Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think you're remembering this correctly. HIs first year was with Chan, then he had two years with Marone and two with Rex. He was always a poor tackler. His last year with Marone was mediocre, same with his first with Rex. He has decent ball skills but has always made huge mental errors and isnt near physical enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think you're remembering this correctly. HIs first year was with Chan, then he had two years with Marone and two with Rex. He was always a poor tackler. His last year with Marone was mediocre, same with his first with Rex. He has decent ball skills but has always made huge mental errors and isnt near physical enough. He always seemed to me to be afraid of contact, didn't want to get hurt wasn't really in it for the game or the team only himself. I was shocked BB went for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Coach donnie was the secondary coach who is very well respected - not the DC or HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) He always seemed to me to be afraid of contact, didn't want to get hurt wasn't really in it for the game or the team only himself. I was shocked BB went for him. I don't know if he was afraid of contact, but he sure hated wrapping up. I remember times when he would huck himself at the offensive player, only to bounce off... Just wrap the guy up and make the tackle, dude. Edited October 18, 2017 by Heitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Is there any chance that the Pats are setting him up for some sort of injury settlement to get them out of his ridiculous contract? I'm just grasping at straws. I know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I bet that concussion isn't going to get any better thinking about lining up vs Julio Jones this week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) I bet that concussion isn't going to get any better thinking about lining up vs Julio Jones this week...Lol. Yep $20 he feels better when he has to line up against Zay Jones. Edited October 18, 2017 by BringBackFergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Menstral cramps would have sounded much worse. How bad are YOUR menstrual cramps to judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 If I remember correct Gilmore played almost 90% man coverage in Rex Ryan's defense. The Patriots play a ton of zone but switch it up a lot. Gilmore is a good CB but I think he will need until week 10 before he starts playing at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 If I remember correct Gilmore played almost 90% man coverage in Rex Ryan's defense. The Patriots play a ton of zone but switch it up a lot. Gilmore is a good CB but I think he will need until week 10 before he starts playing at a higher level. Week 10 as in week P*ts need to cut him to get comp pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I think Gilmore has trouble with two things, and both are valued highly by McD:' 1. Zone concepts 2. Tackling I would bet McD recognized that, and as soon as he took over had no interest in keeping him from leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I think Gilmore has trouble with two things, and both are valued highly by McD:' 1. Zone concepts 2. Tackling I would bet McD recognized that, and as soon as he took over had no interest in keeping him from leaving. If so, score one for McDictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 There are those of us on the board who disliked him and were continually told we were delusional. Any corner who can't or won't tackle, isn't the best cover guy on the field, and draws a lot of dumb penalties, yet is constantly hyped, is overrated. Your just a hateful hater with an agendaized agenda of hateful hate you hateful hater you. Ill step aside now and let the mods deal with your hateful agenda of hateful hate. ATTACK MODS ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I think Gilmore has trouble with two things, and both are valued highly by McD:' 1. Zone concepts 2. Tackling I would bet McD recognized that, and as soon as he took over had no interest in keeping him from leaving. A Pats reporter already covered this. He asked players, coaches in Buffalo if they were surprised how Gilmore was performing in NE. They all said no they aren't surprise and that Gilmore has no dog in him. That's an indictment on any NFL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 A Pats reporter already covered this. He asked players, coaches in Buffalo if they were surprised how Gilmore was performing in NE. They all said no they aren't surprise and that Gilmore has no dog in him. That's an indictment on any NFL player. I don't see how his story is repetitious with my post. He talked to players; I was about what McD may have been thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 A Pats reporter already covered this. He asked players, coaches in Buffalo if they were surprised how Gilmore was performing in NE. They all said no they aren't surprise and that Gilmore has no dog in him. That's an indictment on any NFL player. They should bring Michael Vick to coach him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I don't see how his story is repetitious with my post. He talked to players; I was about what McD may have been thinking. Uhhhh did I mention coaches? Yeah I did. Per Albert Breer "The guys who are there, who have coached him, who have played with him are not surprised at all what they've seen. In fact I'll tell you what one source in Buffalo said to me about him "Loved to blame everyone else, he sucked last year" Then Breer goes on to say others told him he packed it in last year to avoid injury etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Uhhhh did I mention coaches? Yeah I did. Per Albert Breer "The guys who are there, who have coached him, who have played with him are not surprised at all what they've seen. In fact I'll tell you what one source in Buffalo said to me about him "Loved to blame everyone else, he sucked last year" Then Breer goes on to say others told him he packed it in last year to avoid injury etc. Uh, had McD coached him before he left in free agency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) Uh, had McD coached him before he left in free agency?Hey smart ass get a clue, Bert Breer has connections inside OBD and when he asked about Gilmore he got some serious negative feedback about the player. Do you think McD communicates with folks at OBD? Do you find it coincidental that the two guys looking for big contracts both have big attitudes and both were sent packing? Do you then again find it coincidental that #99 isn't really meshing with the staff?? No McD didn't coach him, all he needed to see/hear was that he wasn't a team guy and those bags were packed. Edited October 19, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMexBills Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 This guy is as bad as Gilmore girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Hey smart ass get a clue, Bert Breer has connections inside OBD and when he asked about Gilmore he got some serious negative feedback about the player. Do you think McD communicates with folks at OBD? Do you find it coincidental that the two guys looking for big contracts both have big attitudes and both were sent packing? Do you then again find it coincidental that #99 isn't really meshing with the staff?? No McD didn't coach him, all he needed to see/hear was that he wasn't a team guy and those bags were packed. What I am saying is simple. I believe McD plays zone coverages, and that he wants guys that cover their assignments. And he wants guys that tackle and wrap up. That is clear from watching the D this year; they swarm to the ball and are good tacklers. I suspect McD knew from film etc. that Gilmore didn't fit those. So when McD arrived he had no interest in keeping him for the big money he'd get in free agency. The article you've mentioned talked about his attitude based primarily on talking to players. I'm sure his attitude wasn't attractive to the new staff, but to me icing on the cake. To me McD just knew he didn't match what he wanted in a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 What I am saying is simple. I believe McD plays zone coverages, and that he wants guys that cover their assignments. And he wants guys that tackle and wrap up. That is clear from watching the D this year; they swarm to the ball and are good tacklers. I suspect McD knew from film etc. that Gilmore didn't fit those. So when McD arrived he had no interest in keeping him for the big money he'd get in free agency. The article you've mentioned talked about his attitude based primarily on talking to players. I'm sure his attitude wasn't attractive to the new staff, but to me icing on the cake. To me McD just knew he didn't match what he wanted in a CB. Primarily talking to players? He specifically said guys that played with him and coached him. When thinking about inking a guy to a deal that big don't you think coaches cover all their bases. I don't find it a stretch that McD would talk to Donnie Henderson and others. I do agree that Gilmore sucks in zone. I have been calling him a liability for a long while now. The only reasonable explanation that the Boston media has come up with for the Gilmore signing is that BB blinded himself with the anger he had for Butler and his agent. Butler was a restricted FA and he wanted his pay day, Gilmore was unrestricted. The local guys think BB wanted to prove a point to Butler and the agent. Perhaps Billy Boy should have called up Henderson or looked at TBD to get more insight on GILLY LOCK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Primarily talking to players? He specifically said guys that played with him and coached him. When thinking about inking a guy to a deal that big don't you think coaches cover all their bases. I don't find it a stretch that McD would talk to Donnie Henderson and others. I do agree that Gilmore sucks in zone. I have been calling him a liability for a long while now. The only reasonable explanation that the Boston media has come up with for the Gilmore signing is that BB blinded himself with the anger he had for Butler and his agent. Butler was a restricted FA and he wanted his pay day, Gilmore was unrestricted. The local guys think BB wanted to prove a point to Butler and the agent. Perhaps Billy Boy should have called up Henderson or looked at TBD to get more insight on GILLY LOCK. Agreed. I find it refreshing to see CBs this year that actually wrap guys up with a tackle rather than dive and just throw a shoulder and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Agreed. I find it refreshing to see CBs this year that actually wrap guys up with a tackle rather than dive and just throw a shoulder and hope. I wonder if in an honest moment BB wishes he just kept Logan Ryan who is one of the better tackling CB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I wonder if in an honest moment BB wishes he just kept Logan Ryan who is one of the better tackling CB's. Does BB have honest moments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Primarily talking to players? He specifically said guys that played with him and coached him. When thinking about inking a guy to a deal that big don't you think coaches cover all their bases. I don't find it a stretch that McD would talk to Donnie Henderson and others. I do agree that Gilmore sucks in zone. I have been calling him a liability for a long while now. The only reasonable explanation that the Boston media has come up with for the Gilmore signing is that BB blinded himself with the anger he had for Butler and his agent. Butler was a restricted FA and he wanted his pay day, Gilmore was unrestricted. The local guys think BB wanted to prove a point to Butler and the agent. Perhaps Billy Boy should have called up Henderson or looked at TBD to get more insight on GILLY LOCK. oh come on! BB saw this as a chance to screw a divisional rival as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 All i wanna know is bow do you guys remember everyones individual stances. I have to give it to you all. I.cant even remember who thinks Tyrod sucks... besides MAJbobby. I have to thank you all for such great reads while I am at work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 If I remember correct Gilmore played almost 90% man coverage in Rex Ryan's defense. The Patriots play a ton of zone but switch it up a lot. Gilmore is a good CB but I think he will need until week 10 before he starts playing at a higher level. Half of Rex's playbook was zone--lots of Cover 6, but mixed in 2/3/4 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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