JohnC Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 No. You don't get to use hindsight and all the crap about EJ being a fourth round talent and Goff went first round blah, blah, blah. Compare their rookie years. EJ looked better his rookie year than Goff did. All off-season people were saying the Rams blew it with Goff. And EJ looked decent for a rookie. You want to give the Rams credit for trying to prop up a young QB with Sammy, and at the same time blast the Bills for doing the same thing with the same exact receiver. It's ridiculous. It just shows your bias. Your post makes absolutely no sense. Goff was the first player (I believe) or near the top of the draft selection. He struggled in his first year. And that wasn't a surprise to the Rams because they intended to basically red-shirt him in his rookie year but were forced to play him. You repeatedly point out that EJ had a better rookie year. So what! What does that tell you how he is going to develop compared to the more highly rated prospect who in his second year is widely acknowledge by everyone is the better player. There is no doubt that the Rams brought in Watkins to help out Goff. I have never said otherwise. But the obvious fact on the ground at this point is that Watkins has had little effect on the improvement that Goff has made this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Your post makes absolutely no sense. Goff was the first player (I believe) or near the top of the draft selection. He struggled in his first year. And that wasn't a surprise to the Rams because they intended to basically red-shirt him in his rookie year but were forced to play him. You repeatedly point out that EJ had a better rookie year. So what! What does that tell you how he is going to develop compared to the more highly rated prospect who in his second year is widely acknowledge by everyone is the better player. There is no doubt that the Rams brought in Watkins to help out Goff. I have never said otherwise. But the obvious fact on the ground at this point is that Watkins has had little effect on the improvement that Goff has made this year. Your point is absurd. You continue to use revisionist history. The comparison is what each team did for rookie QBs. Not what happened years after. EJ had a reasonable rookie year for a QB. The team wanted to give him weapons to help him. They drafted Sammy. Now the Rams. Goff had a rough rookie season. They wanted to bring in weapons to help him. They brought the exact same guy in. But somehow to you they should be applauded for making the same move theBills were criticized for. The situations are exactly the same. And you refuse to admit it because as it turned out EJ didn't develop. But the rationale for each move was exactly the same. And if Goff turns out to bust the ultimate outcomes will be exactly the same. Open your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Your point is absurd. You continue to use revisionist history. The comparison is what each team did for rookie QBs. Not what happened years after. EJ had a reasonable rookie year for a QB. The team wanted to give him weapons to help him. They drafted Sammy. Now the Rams. Goff had a rough rookie season. They wanted to bring in weapons to help him. They brought the exact same guy in. But somehow to you they should be applauded for making the same move theBills were criticized for. The situations are exactly the same. And you refuse to admit it because as it turned out EJ didn't develop. But the rationale for each move was exactly the same. And if Goff turns out to bust the ultimate outcomes will be exactly the same. Open your eyes. I think you are both right in your different arguments and it should be settled with a spearing contest in the New Era parking lot next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I think you are both right in your different arguments and it should be settled with a spearing contest in the New Era parking lot next week. Just gets me when the Bills get criticized for the same exact thing other teams get praised for. I would prefer dueling pistols at dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just gets me when the Bills get criticized for the same exact thing other teams get praised for. I would prefer dueling pistols at dawn. Agreed, and totally agree that the Rams did exactly what the Bills did. And it's smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Yep. EJ just didn't/doesn't have it whereas Goff might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I respectfully beg to differ. When lining up, Woods was there a lot more than Watkins was. Woods was a better teammate. More reliable. More professional. More dedicated. And - most of all - more selfless. To me ... that makes Bob Woods superior to Watkins. And, because of all those things, Watkins finds himself as the third best receiver - and a decoy - on the Rams. Karma is a rotten dirty whore sometimes. And a better more willing blocker. That said, Watkins has much better overall natural athletic talent as a WR. I'd still rather have RW as a teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 And a better more willing blocker. That said, Watkins has much better overall natural athletic talent as a WR. I'd still rather have RW as a teammate. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Bingo. I dont know why its so hard for people to understand that great athletes dont necessarily make great football players. Sammy *looks* better on the field running routes than Woods does, but hes not a better football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I dont know why its so hard for people to understand that great athletes dont necessarily make great football players. Sammy *looks* better on the field running routes than Woods does, but hes not a better football player. Woods is a better blocker. Watkins is a more explosive playmaker. I know which skill I want my WR's to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Woods is a better blocker. Watkins is a more explosive playmaker. I know which skill I want my WR's to have. Yes when you put it like that the choice is obvious. That's not all of it though. Woods has been more reliable and consistent. Woods has been a tougher receiver on the field. Watkins has been more of a guy that gets thrown to one or two times per game for a big play. I take the guy that catches a lot of balls and consistently moves the chains over the guy that catches a deep ball or two. Its really a tough call. There is some argument that QBs just aren't throwing him the football. We just don't know for sure what the reason is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Yes when you put it like that the choice is obvious. That's not all of it though. Woods has been more reliable and consistent. Woods has been a tougher receiver on the field. Watkins has been more of a guy that gets thrown to one or two times per game for a big play. I take the guy that catches a lot of balls and consistently moves the chains over the guy that catches a deep ball or two. Its really a tough call. There is some argument that QBs just aren't throwing him the football. We just don't know for sure what the reason is. Considering our so called run first strategy, Bob would've been the better wr to retain. He's far more consistent and would've commanded a smaller contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 ....guess I just don't understand his Meshawn like whines, "just get me the damn ball" in a contract year with a spotty track record and suspect injury history.....but somebody will probably shell out UFA big bucks anyway......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just wait until he has a small injury, maybe a sore shpulder, and the team decides it's best to put him on the inactives for the week because he is not necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Still waiting for Watkins 4 years in now to evolve from special talent to real difference maker. 4/5 games he has been crap for the Rams. In Buffalo he occasionally flashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just wait until he has a small injury, maybe a sore shpulder, and the team decides it's best to put him on the inactives for the week because he is not necessary ...PERFECT!....then in his UFA interviews, he can blame his "production" ALL on the Rams, a victim of circumstance no doubt.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Yes when you put it like that the choice is obvious. That's not all of it though. Woods has been more reliable and consistent. Woods has been a tougher receiver on the field. Watkins has been more of a guy that gets thrown to one or two times per game for a big play. I take the guy that catches a lot of balls and consistently moves the chains over the guy that catches a deep ball or two. Its really a tough call. There is some argument that QBs just aren't throwing him the football. We just don't know for sure what the reason is. Watkins had more catches than Woods over 2014 and 2015. Don't get me wrong, I love Woods and think consistency is important. But no one cares if Tyreek Hill is a mediocre run blocker when he takes it to the house. Woods is limited in that role. Edited October 22, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Woods is a better blocker. Watkins is a more explosive playmaker. I know which skill I want my WR's to have. Yes. I'll also take the more talented player who has contributed ever so little to his team's success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Yes. I'll also take the more talented player who has contributed ever so little to his team's success. Watkins has had more game-winning and game-changing plays in his career than Robert Woods. But good take. Edited October 22, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Watkins has had more game-winning and game-changing plays in his career than Robert Woods. But good take. I thought so, too. I see it has continued in the UK. He's truly "other worldly" aint he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I thought so, too. I see it has continued in the UK. He's truly "other worldly" aint he? Is he hurt? Because EJ Gaines is hurt for what seems like the 7th time in 7 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Why is dolphins-jets on fox? o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Why is dolphins-jets on fox? o.O Because Bears Panthers were on CBS. Welcome to the new TV rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Is he hurt? Because EJ Gaines is hurt for what seems like the 7th time in 7 weeks. No, sammy isn't hurt, he's just irrelevant to their offense for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Is he hurt? Because EJ Gaines is hurt for what seems like the 7th time in 7 weeks. weak though he's contributed more to his team than your boyfriend sammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) No, sammy isn't hurt, he's just irrelevant to their offense for the most part. Can you be more irrelevant than a guy in the locker room? weak though he's contributed more to his team than your boyfriend sammy Would be the leading WR on the Bills right now. Edited October 22, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Nick OLeary > Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Can you be more irrelevant than a guy in the locker room? Would be the leading WR on the Bills right now. He's. Not. Contributing. Is this not true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 He's. Not. Contributing. Is this not true? No, it's not. His yards and TD's count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Nick OLeary > Watkins. Well - yes. Nick's contributions were notable. No, it's not. His yards and TD's count. Yep - he's been a real difference maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Well - yes. Nick's contributions were notable. Yep - he's been a real difference maker. Again, he'd be the Bills leading WR with his numbers. And the player he was traded for hasn't played a full game without getting hurt yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Watkins had more catches than Woods over 2014 and 2015. Don't get me wrong, I love Woods and think consistency is important. But no one cares if Tyreek Hill is a mediocre run blocker when he takes it to the house. Woods is limited in that role. Completely respect that opinion. I just don't get why Watkins isn't more involved. I see he got some catches today though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Again, he'd be the Bills leading WR with his numbers. And the player he was traded for hasn't played a full game without getting hurt yet. You're reaching - and that's ok. I know you miss him. Look, the way things are going, he'll be a FA. His numbers will be so pedestrian we might actually be able to get him at a good price. We could use a decoy. Wait - scratch that. He's not in our plan. We knew this a while ago, didn't we. Good thing he's easily replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 for 42. Sammy not a part of the scoring, and a small part of the offense even today. Eeesh. Deonte! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) You're reaching - and that's ok. I know you miss him. Look, the way things are going, he'll be a FA. His numbers will be so pedestrian we might actually be able to get him at a good price. We could use a decoy. Wait - scratch that. He's not in our plan. We knew this a while ago, didn't we. Good thing he's easily replaceable. Huh? We haven't replaced him at WR yet. The rest of your post had zero substance. White flag city bro. Check the numbers and get back to me. Edited October 22, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Deonte Thompson is not a decoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Deonte Thompson is not a decoy.He wasnt today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Huh? We haven't replaced him at WR yet. The rest of your post had zero substance. White flag city bro. Check the numbers and get back to me. still yappin' about 'ol Bill Sammy? Is Sammy elite or what? Get over him. We're winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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