So who's YOUR starting qb?

[transplantbillsfan]

I've watched enough deer in the headlights raw rookies to know Peterman is already showing subtle attributes well beyond his years.

 

Jeff Tuel did that in his preseason, too.

[DallasMac]

After watching the preseason game against the Ravens I will say that Peterman does some things really well. I like that he made some nice anticipation throws and wouldve had better numbers if it wasnt for some bad drops. I still think Tyrod should start but I think Peterman has shown that he can step in if TT is playing poorly.

[transplantbillsfan]

Fair enough and I agree their play calling in the preseason games is a dumbed down version of what they are doing in practices. Tyrod struggling with an easier preseason game plan makes no sense at all and makes no sense that Tyrod would flourish with a more complicated regular season game plan week 1.

 

This offense isn't suited for his style and it is really evident by watching him struggle mightily so far.

 

And again, I suspect they're holding back all the plays in this offense that are suited for Taylor's style. And I suspect those are the ones the team has been practicing and executing in TC.

 

We haven't seen Taylor roll out even once. You think those aren't in the plans?

 

 

Whether beneficial or not, I don't think Dennison/McDermott really want to show the wrinkles in this offense that they'll primarily implement that they believe will make this team the most effective.

 

 

If we start the season and all or most of what we see in terms of offensive playcalling (which has centered around 3 step drops with Taylor under center) is what we've seen with Taylor in the preseason, then I suspect we'll see Peterman sooner rather than later because an offense centered on a QB under center taking 3 step drops primarily won't really work for Taylor. He needs to get deeper in the pocket, for one thing. It isn't really utilizing a lot of his strengths, for another.

It isn't easy vs complex, it's whatever they want to evaluate. If Tyrod is proving to be competent at rolling out and using RPOs then why wouldn't they have him get more reps doing the things he's less comfortable with so far?

 

Agreed.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Jeff Tuel did that in his preseason, too.

Whats that say about the Tuel Time crowd?

 

 

Don't listen to them.

 

And again, I suspect they're holding back all the plays in this offense that are suited for Taylor's style. And I suspect those are the ones the team has been practicing and executing in TC.

 

We haven't seen Taylor roll out even once. You think those aren't in the plans?

 

 

Whether beneficial or not, I don't think Dennison/McDermott really want to show the wrinkles in this offense that they'll primarily implement that they believe will make this team the most effective.

 

 

If we start the season and all or most of what we see in terms of offensive playcalling (which has centered around 3 step drops with Taylor under center) is what we've seen with Taylor in the preseason, then I suspect we'll see Peterman sooner rather than later because an offense centered on a QB under center taking 3 step drops primarily won't really work for Taylor. He needs to get deeper in the pocket, for one thing. It isn't really utilizing a lot of his strengths, for another.

 

Agreed.

in bold

 

Somehow I doubt it. And I say that bigly.

Roman and Rex are gone. Gone is that failed system!!

[Figster]

 

Jeff Tuel did that in his preseason, too.

Tuel and Peterman are leagues apart IMO.

[xRUSHx]

Tuel and Peterman are leagues apart IMO.

I agree 100%.

I'd like to add for him to even bring Tuel into the equation shows how little he knows about QBs.

[Wayne Cubed]

Tuel and Peterman are leagues apart IMO.

Is that the eye test?

 

I mean Tuel did throw for over 200 yards and 2 TDs in his first preseason game.

[Magox]

Is that the eye test?

 

I mean Tuel did throw for over 200 yards and 2 TDs in his first preseason game.

 

Yes, that would be the "eye test".

 

Plus QB evaluators such as Gruden and Greg Gabriel both happen to believe that Peterman has the potential to be a quality starting caliber NFL quarterback. I don't think anyone with that kind of cred had the same thing to say of Tuel.

[Figster]

Is that the eye test?

 

I mean Tuel did throw for over 200 yards and 2 TDs in his first preseason game.

Yes it is,

 

Tuel would have been knocked around like a ping pong ball/INT's against the Raven/Schwartz starting D's IMO

[transplantbillsfan]

Tuel and Peterman are leagues apart IMO.

 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

Right now hindsight is 20/20 regarding Tuel. But he played well and looked good in his time in the preseason and a lot people were singin praises of Tuel back in 2013.

[Figster]

 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

Right now hindsight is 20/20 regarding Tuel. But he played well and looked good in his time in the preseason and a lot people were singin praises of Tuel back in 2013.

I wasn't one of them

[transplantbillsfan]

I agree 100%.

I'd like to add for him to even bring Tuel into the equation shows how little he knows about QBs.

 

No. You just have an incredibly short memory.

 

Tuel actually looked good in the preseason for 2013.

 

 

It's hilariously convenient for you (and others) to say dumb stuff like this because we can now look at Tuel and know he's not an NFL QB.

[Wayne Cubed]

 

Yes, that would be the "eye test".

 

Plus QB evaluators such as Gruden and Greg Gabriel both happen to believe that Peterman has the potential to be a quality starting caliber NFL quarterback. I don't think anyone with that kind of cred had the same thing to say of Tuel.

And?

 

Evaluators do get wrong. The truth is Tuel looked good in preseason. Better than Peterman has, eye test and all.

 

But it's preseason, and you can't hang your hat on that evaluation.

[Magox]

And?

 

Evaluators do get wrong. The truth is Tuel looked good in preseason. Better than Peterman has, eye test and all.

 

But it's preseason, and you can't hang your hat on that evaluation.

 

And, that's our view.

[Wayne Cubed]

 

And, that's our view.

Okay.

[Figster]

Competition at the QB position is a good thing...

[Figster]

 

No. You just have an incredibly short memory.

 

Tuel actually looked good in the preseason for 2013.

 

 

It's hilariously convenient for you (and others) to say dumb stuff like this because we can now look at Tuel and know he's not an NFL QB.

Myself personally,

 

I think you know more than your average bear when it comes to the QB/position my friend,

[Albwan]

Can we coax Kyle Orton out of retirement?

[KRT88]

Unless they are hiding the true offense and running a fake drop back system in preseason it has to be Peterman. Taylor isn't made for this system, which makes me ask, why did the keep him in the first place.

Can we coax Kyle Orton out of retirement?

Are we gonna screw up the season and win 7 or 8 games?

 

No thanks I'll take the 3 or 4 win season and move on.

[26CornerBlitz]

Unless they are hiding the true offense and running a fake drop back system in preseason it has to be Peterman. Taylor isn't made for this system, which makes me ask, why did the keep him in the first place.

 

It's not as if McDermott and Dennison weren't around when Tyrod was brought back so they obviously disagree with you since he's still their starting QB.

[transplantbillsfan]

Unless they are hiding the true offense and running a fake drop back system in preseason it has to be Peterman. Taylor isn't made for this system, which makes me ask, why did the keep him in the first place.

 

 

As Hokie mentioned rather astutely earlier in this thread, it seems like they're making the QBs operate the plays in the positions they're least comfortable in.

 

By my count, Taylor took 65% of all of his snaps in the preseason games under center. So just 35% of his snaps were in the shotgun where he's used to getting the ball.

 

By contrast, Peterman took just 47% of his snaps under center and 53% of his snaps in the shotgun.

 

 

I also thought it was interesting that I couldn't find Taylor handing the ball off after taking any of those shotgun snaps, but Peterman handed the ball off at least a couple times after getting the ball snapped to him in the shotgun.

 

 

I think there's something to what Hokie said about having them do what they're uncomfortable with. That doesn't mean they won't go back when the season starts.

Edited August 29, 2017 by transplantbillsfan

[Fadingpain]

Voted Peterman b/c we can only win with him as QB, one way or the other.

Conversely, we can only lose, one way or the other, with Tyrod.

 

Of course, that's why Tyrod will start the whole season, barring injury.

 

[Marv's Neighbor]

Tebow should get a try out.

[Chilly]

Tyrod has a unique skillset and it causes people to go to extremes on their opinions of him.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Tyrod is a QB with a very different skillset than the traditional NFL QB. I believe he can be successful if you put him in the right scheme with the right talent, which is exactly what the Bills did last year to get to an offense that actually produced decent points. The problem is for his skillset to work in the NFL it has to be a run-first offense with limited passing reads, which is why it tends to fail during two-minute type situations.

 

Tyrod can throw a pretty ball, but he can really only read half the field with a couple progressions. He's just not going to be the type of guy who can go through quick progressions across 4-5 receivers so it greatly limits the type of offense you can run to be successful.

[Gugny]

Flea Moulds off the chart.

[YoloinOhio]

2 votes for Yates?

[Rochesterfan]

Tyrod has a unique skillset and it causes people to go to extremes on their opinions of him.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Tyrod is a QB with a very different skillset than the traditional NFL QB. I believe he can be successful if you put him in the right scheme with the right talent, which is exactly what the Bills did last year to get to an offense that actually produced decent points. The problem is for his skillset to work in the NFL it has to be a run-first offense with limited passing reads, which is why it tends to fail during two-minute type situations.

 

Tyrod can throw a pretty ball, but he can really only read half the field with a couple progressions. He's just not going to be the type of guy who can go through quick progressions across 4-5 receivers so it greatly limits the type of offense you can run to be successful.

 

I agree with this, but I think the extremes come from the nature of everyone now - he is .500 as a starter and should be down the middle, but there seems to be a growing group on both sides that push their agenda.

 

The truth as is typical lies in the middle - there are things he can do and things he cannot do as you stated. I think Roman set him up in an offense that played to his strengths in year 1, but when Roman tried to expand him as a QB in year 2 he faltered and Lynn returned to the compressed playbook to get him through and try to win.

 

I get the feeling Dennison is not going to do that because the new staff is not interested in TT as a QB - they want to grow and develop a particular offense and if TT shows he can not do it - they will play Peterman and either way they are drafting a guy next year to develop.

 

There has always been extremes when dealing with the Bills QBs going back to the 60, but the fringe extremes have a way to really voice their thoughts on both sides making those in the middle stay quieter.

2 votes for Yates?

Give it time he is catching up - by the end of the season maybe he wins - LOL

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 votes for Yates?

Already answered - the belief is that they were Trolling

Or seriously messed up in the head

KD in CA, 4merper4mer

 

I'll go with the former... Well, unless Yates has a book out about the "Truth that aliens don't exist"

Edited August 29, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[CodeMonkey]

Taylor. The offense is likely to suck this season no matter who is at QB. Give Peterman a year to develop and not get him killed/shellshocked (I know, not in the Bills vocabulary) and see what happens with the QB they get in the next draft.

Edited August 29, 2017 by CodeMonkey

[JM2009]

Taylor. The offense is likely to suck this season no matter who is at QB. Give Peterman a year to develop and not get him killed/shellshocked (I know, not in the Bills vocabulary) and see what happens with the QB they get in the next draft.

Pretty much. Unless Glenn stays healthy and Matthews can really contribute.

[billsfan60]

Tyrod has a unique skillset and it causes people to go to extremes on their opinions of him.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Tyrod is a QB with a very different skillset than the traditional NFL QB. I believe he can be successful if you put him in the right scheme with the right talent, which is exactly what the Bills did last year to get to an offense that actually produced decent points. The problem is for his skillset to work in the NFL it has to be a run-first offense with limited passing reads, which is why it tends to fail during two-minute type situations.

 

Tyrod can throw a pretty ball, but he can really only read half the field with a couple progressions. He's just not going to be the type of guy who can go through quick progressions across 4-5 receivers so it greatly limits the type of offense you can run to be successful.

Don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this.

[Figster]

I agree with this, but I think the extremes come from the nature of everyone now - he is .500 as a starter and should be down the middle, but there seems to be a growing group on both sides that push their agenda.

 

The truth as is typical lies in the middle - there are things he can do and things he cannot do as you stated. I think Roman set him up in an offense that played to his strengths in year 1, but when Roman tried to expand him as a QB in year 2 he faltered and Lynn returned to the compressed playbook to get him through and try to win.

 

I get the feeling Dennison is not going to do that because the new staff is not interested in TT as a QB - they want to grow and develop a particular offense and if TT shows he can not do it - they will play Peterman and either way they are drafting a guy next year to develop.

 

There has always been extremes when dealing with the Bills QBs going back to the 60, but the fringe extremes have a way to really voice their thoughts on both sides making those in the middle stay quieter.

 

Give it time he is catching up - by the end of the season maybe he wins - LOL

Tyrod Taylor was fairly popular as Buffalo's starter with the Bills fan base IMO. I also think on a whole the fans are a little gun shy of getting to worked up over anyone. So even in a small sample size here on TBD to see Peterman ahead in voting in just a couple of meaningless preseason games suggests something is jumping out at people in my humble opinion.

 

Meaningless or not did anyone notice the concerned look on the opposing DC's face watching rookie Peterman make plays against the daunting Raven D.

 

Peterman to Jones connection clicking.

 

Great post Rochester

Edited August 29, 2017 by Figster

[JM2009]

No matter who is QB, they better fix this O line.

[DefenseWins]

Tyrod's concussion gives the coaches the "cover" to start Peterman if they wish... I'd really like to know what they say in their coaches meetings about TT vs Peterman... I'm ok with whomever they decide to start... But if the coaches like what they are seeing from Peterman and think he can handle it, I'd go for it... Personally, I could see this team losing more games this season with TT the starter as opposed to if Peterman were the starter... At least Peterman "looks like" a real QB...

[Alphadawg7]

I agree, most rookies are not ready to start, but Peterman stood out to Gruden as the most NFL ready rookie he has coached up in years.

 

To me its about the best compliment you can get from a former NFL coach in my humble opinion.

 

He still is only completing 50% of his passes...and Gruden also LOVED, and I mean LOVED Manziel. Wouldn't shut up about him on draft night. Like anyone evaluating these guys, he is wrong more than he is correct. And considering I have never heard him not like a QB on his show, he's been wrong a lot more than right since most QB's don't become Franchise guys.

 

Again, I like Peterman, and for that reason its a terrible idea for him to start early behind a bad line. If we only have 0-1 wins come the bye week, then consider getting the kid ready after they bye if need be. But honestly, the kid would benefit for sitting until like week 10 in a lost season and getting the last 6 games to make his case.

[Figster]

 

He still is only completing 50% of his passes...and Gruden also LOVED, and I mean LOVED Manziel. Wouldn't shut up about him on draft night. Like anyone evaluating these guys, he is wrong more than he is correct. And considering I have never heard him not like a QB on his show, he's been wrong a lot more than right since most QB's don't become Franchise guys.

 

Again, I like Peterman, and for that reason its a terrible idea for him to start early behind a bad line. If we only have 0-1 wins come the bye week, then consider getting the kid ready after they bye if need be. But honestly, the kid would benefit for sitting until like week 10 in a lost season and getting the last 6 games to make his case.

I understand where your coming from if the kid wasn't making it look like just another day at the office. Peterman's decisive, showing good accuracy,and good command of the huddle. So I don't see game experience as being anything but a benefit for Nathan Peterman in my humble opinion Alpha.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

You won't know if you need to draft a top shelf QB next year unless you start Peterman; you most likely will draft one if you start Taylor. This is not a playoff caliber team at this point, so what's the risk? Peterman shows potential. See if it's not illusory. BTW, everyone keeps saying Watkins is injury prone; what about Taylor?

[jrober38]

Throwing Peterman to the wolves seems like a bad idea.

I'd rather not risk ruining his development.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Fig, you were a bigger TT "homer" than me. You were predicting a breakout year for Taylor. I'm surprised (and a little disappointed) you and so many others are honestly putting so much stock in preseason.

 

One thing I've learned over the years... who cares about preseason?!

 

 

I don't think we've seen much of the offense Dennison has in store for week 1.

 

Start overreacting after week 1. Who really cares right now?

 

 

[jrober38]

They are drafting a QB next season in the top of rd1 so Peterman has a short time to A) get game time experience and B) show what he can do. Starting Tyrod is just wasting time and energy on a QB that will be gone next season.

The only risk I see is sitting him all season and never getting a chance to see him play considering next year's rookie could end up playing right away. In my opinion him playing this season will give him a solid edge to compete with the new top round rookie next season.

 

He can play this season, but he doesn't need to play week 1. A 5th round rookie like him isn't making it through a 16 game schedule without getting at least a bit shell shocked on this offense with its lack of weapons.

 

Provided Taylor fails, which I'm fairly certain is going to happen, I'd give Peterman the last 4-5 games to see what he has. He doesn't need to play before then, regardless how bad we are.