Punching Bag Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/22/nfl-power-rankings-offseason-peter-king-part-one He actually mentions him twice in column calling him a slumping and lapsing kicker. He however is of the school anything bad comes from Doug Whaley School and credits Whaley with move when McDermott was clearly in charge. For some reason, the Bills gave a slumping kicker, Steve Hauschka, three years and $8.85 million. I think I’d love someone in the Doug Whaley administration to explain to me why the Bills paid a lapsing kicker, Steven Hauschka, $4 million guaranteed in a three-year deal averaging $2.95 million a season. Sheesh. The guy missed 10 PATs in the past two years and two field goals inside the 30 last year. How does that possibly make you a better kicking team? Head Coach Sean McDermott - Hired 1/12 K Steve Hauschka - Signed 3/9 GM Doug Whaley - Fired 4/30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 If in 18 months we are missing the playoffs again, this will be a frustrating offseason to try to pull apart and decide where to go and what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 How many PATs dos Carp miss in the last two years? At least 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 How many PATs dos Carp miss in the last two years? At least 10 I believe 11, which may underscore his point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I believe 11, which may underscore his point Well, atleast they are trying to get better, slowly...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 One point at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Did anyone sign carpenter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Did anyone sign carpenter?Looks to me like he's still a free agent. Doesn't sound like anyone is really interested either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I believe 11, which may underscore his point Safe to assume Steve missed one less on more attempts? Whatever, I am so board, I hope we sign a middling linebacker soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Looks to me like he's still a free agent. Doesn't sound like anyone is really interested either Probably due to his wife's tweets after the incident in Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBuffaloKid Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 We shall see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Safe to assume Steve missed one less on more attempts? Whatever, I am so board, I hope we sign a middling linebacker soonNope. Carpenter had 6 more attempts. So pretty similar in that regard. That's only one metric but for bills fans it's pretty apples to apples as a roughly comparable player they are familiar with for that single stat. Edited May 23, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 He looks ok in KO stats but 29 of 35 PA , 8 of 10 FG 40-49 yards , $4M guaranteed seems a bit high. Bridge kicker for now I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Hauschka currently ranks as the 3rd All-time fg kicker in NFL history behind Justin Tucker and Dan Bailey. He is just ahead of Stephen Gostkowski. He is an upgrade as Carpenter has been below average the past 2 years. Plus he has a stronger leg for longer fgs and potentially eliminates carry an extra kickoff specialist. This was a great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 How many PATs were blocked? Seven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Safe to assume Steve missed one less on more attempts? Whatever, I am so board, I hope we sign a middling linebacker soon Yeah this bored will do that to ya in the off season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 They should bring in Steve Christie to work with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Monkey Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 How many PATs were blocked? Seven?I was thinking the same thing. The blocking was atrocious and his trajectory was a bit low....both of which are fairly easy to correct. Carpenter's misses were mental which is way harder to fix...if fixable at all. He was really shanking then like my drives on the golf course....hook one hole and slice the next. Can't just look at the stats for this comparison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/22/nfl-power-rankings-offseason-peter-king-part-one He actually mentions him twice in column calling him a slumping and lapsing kicker. He however is of the school anything bad comes from Doug Whaley School and credits Whaley with move when McDermott was clearly in charge. Head Coach Sean McDermott - Hired 1/12 K Steve Hauschka - Signed 3/9 GM Doug Whaley - Fired 4/30 This is weird to me since years ago, King criticized us for hiring an old retiree in Buddy Nix when there were young and rising superstars - like Doug Whaley (he mentioned Doug by name) - we could have nabbed to be GM. Then again, people are entitled to change their minds as more information comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) This is weird to me since years ago, King criticized us for hiring an old retiree in Buddy Nix when there were young and rising superstars - like Doug Whaley (he mentioned Doug by name) - we could have nabbed to be GM. Then again, people are entitled to change their minds as more information comes in. Hah! Gotcha, Peter King! You probably did not think you would held accountable for that Doug Whaley remark, did you? Nice research, Hondo! Edited May 23, 2017 by Poleshifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 PK is a fluffer. And until the Bills actually make the playoffs, we deserve criticism from the media. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Hauschka currently ranks as the 3rd All-time fg kicker in NFL history behind Justin Tucker and Dan Bailey. He is just ahead of Stephen Gostkowski. He is an upgrade as Carpenter has been below average the past 2 years. Plus he has a stronger leg for longer fgs and potentially eliminates carry an extra kickoff specialist. This was a great signing. I agree. Kicking cost us Miami and Seattle games last year. And Schmidt's punting somehow went from amazing in 2015 to awful last year. We already score 25 pts per game. Just need to have a decent defense and strong special teams we can get in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I agree. Kicking cost us Miami and Seattle games last year. And Schmidt's punting somehow went from amazing in 2015 to awful last year. We already score 25 pts per game. Just need to have a decent defense and strong special teams we can get in the playoffs. I get the point but as a player, you don't blame the kicker. There were a million more plays that could have been made that could have won those games. If Jim Kelly ran Thurman more against a 2 man d line, that SB doesn't come down to Scott Norwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I suggest Peter King look up the stats. Hauschka is the third most accurate field goal kicker in history, and over his career he's succeeded on more than 50% of his attempts over 50 yards. Yes, Hauschka struggled last year, but he's been a great kicker, he isn't too old, and the Bills have made about the 10th highest paid kicker in the league. It just isn't all that unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I suggest Peter King look up the stats. Hauschka is the third most accurate field goal kicker in history, and over his career he's succeeded on more than 50% of his attempts over 50 yards. Yes, Hauschka struggled last year, but he's been a great kicker, he isn't too old, and the Bills have made about the 10th highest paid kicker in the league. It just isn't all that unusual. You make good points. The counter is you shouldn't pay on past performances, especially in football where players age poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 You make good points. The counter is you shouldn't pay on past performances, especially in football where players age poorly. True, but there are two counters to that. One is that kickers age differently. Their careers are much longer, so Hauschka is still in his prime. The other is that when you have All-Pro talent, which is what Hauschka is, you aren't going to get much discount if he's still in his prime and he's had just one off year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 If the placekicker is our biggest issue this season, the season will be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/22/nfl-power-rankings-offseason-peter-king-part-one He actually mentions him twice in column calling him a slumping and lapsing kicker. He however is of the school anything bad comes from Doug Whaley School and credits Whaley with move when McDermott was clearly in charge. Head Coach Sean McDermott - Hired 1/12 K Steve Hauschka - Signed 3/9 GM Doug Whaley - Fired 4/30 It appears that Doug did not give the Local media what they wanted. The local media has been trashing Doug for awhile and now some national guys are picking through the bones. It all starts with the bias reporting from Timmy , jay and Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 If the placekicker is our biggest issue this season, the season will be a success.Not if you are missing extra points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Carpenter was the worst kicker in the league last year. 76% on FGs, missed 5 XPs, and can't do kickoffs... Just being middle of the road is a huge upgrade. Hauschka AAV is under 3 mil per year... It's not like we went on a crazy spending spree at kicker... we just knew we needed that position to be better than it was. Yes - he missed 6 XPs in 2016. He also was 6/6 from 50+ in 2015 - and had 54 touchbacks to carpenters 28 in 2016. Edited May 23, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 As bad as the Defense played in some games and as Limited as Taylor is , if Carperter performed at a high level last year the sesason would have turned out much different. He hits against Miami and they win , which means they play Taylor and beat the Jets. At 9-7 does everyone lose thier job ? Before the Buffalo News bailed on Rex there narrative is how can you fire a coach after year 2 if a team goes 8-8 and 9-7. Did Rex and his staff shite the bed ? Absolutly which i guess shows Whaley put enought talent on the field to be a playoff team . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 This is why Renkhow (sp?) is on the roster. He punts and backs up Hauschka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 This is why Renkhow (sp?) is on the roster. He punts and backs up Hauschka. Hoping he can get better at punting by focusing on it. Schmidt was terrible last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Hoping he can get better at punting by focusing on it. Schmidt was terrible last year. If he really as good as advertised he'd be invaluable. A backup FG kicker without wasting a roster spot. Edited May 23, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I was thinking the same thing. The blocking was atrocious and his trajectory was a bit low....both of which are fairly easy to correct. Carpenter's misses were mental which is way harder to fix...if fixable at all. He was really shanking then like my drives on the golf course....hook one hole and slice the next. Can't just look at the stats for this comparison! Carp used to drive me crazy because he would set up all the way to the far hash and then barely miss it to that side...if he would have just set up in the middle, 2/3 of the misses would have squeaked inside the uprights or just been slightly off center. Why put yourself in a position where a slight mishit means you miss the kick?? As someone who kicked for two years in competetive touch leagues and used to practice twice a week kicking, I am nowhere near that level but I do have some insights, and I literally used to scream at the TV when he put the ball on the far hash because common sense tells you it hurts your chances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The guy's been kicking on the west coast, moving east isn't going to improve his stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 kicking in Rich Stadium is not an easy task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 Carpenter was the worst kicker in the league last year. 76% on FGs, missed 5 XPs, and can't do kickoffs... Except he DID do kickoffs which you would see if you watched games. In general kickers at the Ralph will have lower kick percentages due to field and winds and if a kicker's home stadium is the Ralph he will have lower stats than peers. The fact the the long snapper also was canned is sign that it was not all on Carpenter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 How many PATs dos Carp miss in the last two years? At least 10 The real question is how many could he miss if he was really trying. I think he hasn't even scratched the surface on his potential to miss kicks. The guy's been kicking on the west coast, moving east isn't going to improve his stats. Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 The guy's been kicking on the west coast, moving east isn't going to improve his stats. Explain. The stadiums he will be kicking in AFCE are in general harder to kick in than NFCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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