Just when I think the Bills finally got smart...

[Figster]

 

Just because we don't like it doesn't make their thoughts any less valid. I am leery of quashing dissenting opinion just because the majority disagrees with it. If it turns toward a bothersome crusade then we'll address it; until then I think folks should have the freedom to vent on a weekend in which many are very emotionally involved.

thanks for saying Simon,

[Direhard Fan]

I laugh so loud when I read these comments from the know it all's. Makes my day. They all have balls they look in and see the future. Where were you all when we needed you the most? Wide Right . Guys getting injured etc. Thank you very much. Needed that laugh.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

I laugh so loud when I read these comments from the know it all's. Makes my day. They all have balls they look in and see the future. Where were you all when we needed you the most? Wide Right . Guys getting injured etc. Thank you very much. Needed that laugh.

....the keyboard is the new Wonder Bread..."helps build bodies....er...check that...mouthpieces 12 different ways"......the logo balloons remain the same.......keyboard version is hot air as in anonymity.........

Edited April 29, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Virgil]

 

You have no idea if that is true or not.

You have to assume all first three round picks are meant to start, outside of qb. No one really knows the quality until game time.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

You have to assume all first three round picks are meant to start, outside of qb. No one really knows the quality until game time.

....you missed the memo....just like Bo, "Wayne knows"................

[grinreaper]

It doesn't matter who they hire as the air at One Bills Drive apparently makes them delusional and think they this one guy will make a difference. Drafting well requires patients and the ability to trust your own grades. You can't continually give away draft picks. We've done that for 17 years and it has yielded nothing.

 

Now Thursday night comes, they move back 27 spots pick extra picks and still fill in a need with a great player! Then delusional returns on Friday!

 

Freakin organization is clueless! They did what they ALWAYSdo, panic!

Please don't wish that on the Bills.

[yungmack]

they get all Billsy on Day 2.

 

I was so proud and excited that the Bills traded down from 10 to add more draft picks - including a first-rounder in 2018. The smart teams know that the NFL Draft is a crapshoot of massive proportion - and the only solution is to accumulate as many picks as possible to increase odds that the players you draft are good. Then let them battle it out in training camp.

 

But no. They trade up and give up picks NOT ONCE...BUT TWICE.

 

No one wastes draft picks like the Buffalo Bills.

 

They simply cannot help themselves. They get tunnel vision on one player and are so damn paranoid that others value their guy like they do (ego) that they shoot themselves in the foot by giving away valuable picks. It's absurd how perennially dumb our organization is.

 

It's as if each person who is hired by the Bills gets a lobotomy on their first day as employees. It's the most realistic explanation I can come up with.

By implication, you adhere to the belief that all players are pretty much equal, therefore the more picks you have, the more good players you'll gain. Apparently the Bills - & 31 other teams - believe that some players are better than others, and so one really good player is better than two so-so players. If we go with your theory, then the smart thing would be to trade all the higher picks for about 30 in the 7th round. That about right?

Actually McDermott started out as a scout. I'd rather he be making draft choices than Whaley. We already know Whaley sucks. At least McDermott is an unknown.

What's this "we" crap? I for one "know" Whaley is an excellent GM. But then, I evaluate him based on facts not emotions and biases.

[yungmack]

I would have taken a qb at #10, but this draft appears strong to me. I'd rather have quality at positions of need. I expect three starters from the top of our draft.

The extra 2018 1st will help secure a qb, though unless we fail miserably, it won't be one of the top two.

And which QB is likely to contribute more to the taem over the next 3 years than Tre White?

[eball]

 

They gave up two draft picks and reduced a third to a fifth. That's what I'm "bitching" about. Is this a difficult concept? Did some of you posters have that lobotomy performed as well?

On Thursday morning the Bills had 6 picks in this year's draft - a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, two 5ths, and a 6th.

 

They turned that into a 1st, two 2nds, two 5ths, a 6th, and another 1st next year.

 

Two difficult to comprehend? Feel free to wallow in your misery, though.

[Wayne Arnold]

What's this "we" crap? I for one "know" Whaley is an excellent GM. But then, I evaluate him based on facts not emotions and biases.

 

On Thursday morning the Bills had 6 picks in this year's draft - a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, two 5ths, and a 6th.

 

They turned that into a 1st, two 2nds, two 5ths, a 6th, and another 1st next year.

 

Two difficult to comprehend? Feel free to wallow in your misery, though.

 

Yeah, I'm sure the Bills couldn't have used those extra fifth rounders to grab, say, a running back like Jeremy McNichols or any player to fill one of the countless holes on this team. Nah, who needs prospects and depth? Injuries don't happen to starters in the NFL.

 

By the logic of many in this thread the smart thing to do is to trade all picks from the fourth through seventh rounds in order to trade up in the first three rounds. Those draft picks are useless anyway. Right?

[Elite Poster]

Remember when the Pats traded up TWICE in the first two rounds in 2012. So Billsy...Added 2 starters btw. Billsy though. Trading up is Billsy man, and Chiefsy, Patsy, Texansy, Chicago-ey, Eaglesy, Ramsy, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and....

Edited April 29, 2017 by Elite Poster

[Deep Voice]

Yeah

 

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Success]

There really isn't a cookie cutter approach to the draft. What works one year may not work the next.

 

We won't know for a few years, but as of today, it's hard to complain about this Bills draft.

[3rdand12]

 

But my opinion is more important.

Yet another reason why the old guard loves you so !

always a pleasure Wayne

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I'm usually coming out of the draft underwhelmed but not only do I think we have an immediate 3 holes filled at WR 2 or Slot WR, RT and CB 2/ NCB. All the rest was solid depth, I loved the Peterman pick, I watch a ton of Pitt Panther games, he won't blow you away with his arm but he has solid anticipation and an excellent grasp of the game, I think he'll be a solid backup. All the guys we seemed to pick were leaders/high character guys which makes the locker room that much more bareable.

[Sweats]

It sure as hell wasn't a "sexy" draft for us, but we filled some holes and hopefully we've got 3 starters.

[3rdand12]

I generally agree with the principle you espouse, but there's another principle that's critical, too. That's "stay true to your board."

 

I haven't heard anyone say it this year, but they said it last year with Ragland. They saw this talent they had ranked up in the first round and he was still sitting there early in the second. They thought he was a huge bargain based on their board. They also thought they weren't the only ones who knew that, so they traded up. I'm guessing the same thing happened twice yesterday.

 

They really wanted receiver and oline help and they saw guys who looked like bargains on their board.

 

They stayed true to the board.

 

Fifth round picks are useful, but they usually don't give you guys much better than the undrafted free agents who make your team. And they rarely start in the first, or even the second season.

 

Bills got three guys who all have a good chance of starting. It's always a good draft when you do that.

 

Still, I agree. It's a crapshoot, and more picks is usually better. But I'm happy this morning.

excellent post 66

[slaphappy]

Offensive linemen is the one position that picking in later rounds has very little bearing on success. There are hundreds of examples of very good to excellent OL picked in later rounds.

 

The value of second rounders to third and beyond is very high,especially in this type of draft. To me,you increase the odds of getting a high quality player in round two comparably. Volume does not necessarily mean your chances of these guys sticking increases.

 

One example is New England. He drafts for volume and it doesn't work. BB not a very good drafter,so what makes anyone think the Bills will do much better?

Don't have to go very far for a recent example. We have a 3rd rounder playing guard on our team right now that not many complain about. And he played in his rookie year to boot.

[3rdand12]

It sure as hell wasn't a "sexy" draft for us, but we filled some holes and hopefully we've got 3 starters.

this should be the consensus.

 

the trading was exciting, the picks not so much.

 

and that is okay.

we will all reconvene come training camp.

the trading does not bother me if the mantra was maintained. stick to your board. I bet Bills are quite pleased

[slaphappy]

By implication, you adhere to the belief that all players are pretty much equal, therefore the more picks you have, the more good players you'll gain. Apparently the Bills - & 31 other teams - believe that some players are better than others, and so one really good player is better than two so-so players. If we go with your theory, then the smart thing would be to trade all the higher picks for about 30 in the 7th round. That about right?

What's this "we" crap? I for one "know" Whaley is an excellent GM. But then, I evaluate him based on facts not emotions and biases.

If you drink beer I would like to buy you one.

[Wayne Arnold]

They redeemed themselves with the Peterman pick. I'm all in!

 

I tried to delete this thread but for some reason you're not allowed to delete your own threads on this forum? That doesn't seem right.

[Dr. K]

By implication, you adhere to the belief that all players are pretty much equal, therefore the more picks you have, the more good players you'll gain. Apparently the Bills - & 31 other teams - believe that some players are better than others, and so one really good player is better than two so-so players. If we go with your theory, then the smart thing would be to trade all the higher picks for about 30 in the 7th round. That about right?

What's this "we" crap? I for one "know" Whaley is an excellent GM. But then, I evaluate him based on facts not emotions and biases.

I agree 100%

 

The amount of unwarranted crap that Whaley takes on this board is depressing. I used to read the discussions all the time but can only take it in small doses anymore.

[I'mBuff]

I'm right there with you Wayne. The draft is a crapshoot but every year the Bills waltz in like they know better than everyone else. What is the success rate of OL taken in the 3rd round, 33%? I can't imagine it's much higher. But I'm sure the Bills would tell you they are 75% sure in Dawkins. No matter how sure they think they are they don't really know. Dawkins could tear his ACL in training camp and there goes that idea. We needed to use all our picks this year IMO. I love the trade down but not as much because we lost the 3rd rounder anyways, to take a WR who had a great senior bowl but whose college production was possibly inflated by the system he played in. I mean I don't know maybe he turns into a great player but without the benefit of hindsight yet the moves look poor to me.

Well then why would you care if the success rate is so low from the third round on? Might as well take who you think will be good....

[Patrick Duffy]

They redeemed themselves with the Peterman pick. I'm all in!

 

I tried to delete this thread but for some reason you're not allowed to delete your own threads on this forum? That doesn't seem right.

 

I actually kinda like the kid. Looking forward to seeing what he can do. Would be nice if he turns out to be 1 of those QBs that turned out to be really good that was picked late.

[Chuck Wagon]

I hated giving away the extra 3rd. I wouldn't have cared if they gave away all of day 3, but guys like Beckwith and Carl Lawson seem well ahead of what we ended up with later.

[mob16151]

This is always said but I don't believe it.

 

We knew James Hardy was a bust halfway through his rookie year.

 

We knew Troup over Gronk was a mistake by the start of his second Training Camp.

 

We saw that when Cyrus K couldn't win a starting O Line spot in 2 years that he was a bust.

My Rebuttal: Eric Moulds

[BullBuchanan]

they get all Billsy on Day 2.

 

I was so proud and excited that the Bills traded down from 10 to add more draft picks - including a first-rounder in 2018. The smart teams know that the NFL Draft is a crapshoot of massive proportion - and the only solution is to accumulate as many picks as possible to increase odds that the players you draft are good. Then let them battle it out in training camp.

 

But no. They trade up and give up picks NOT ONCE...BUT TWICE.

 

No one wastes draft picks like the Buffalo Bills.

 

They simply cannot help themselves. They get tunnel vision on one player and are so damn paranoid that others value their guy like they do (ego) that they shoot themselves in the foot by giving away valuable picks. It's absurd how perennially dumb our organization is.

 

It's as if each person who is hired by the Bills gets a lobotomy on their first day as employees. It's the most realistic explanation I can come up with.

 

How can you support trading down as a general practice but not support trading up? They're two sides of the same coin. The end goal is to maximize value, and if a team feels they get more value by trading up than standing pat, that's following the plan. We came out of the draft with 3 likely day 1 starters. It's really hard to hate that at this point. Time will tell how good they end up being.

 

I hate the concept of drafting DBs in the first, and I think they went down too far/didnt get enough return, but all said and done it was a very productive, albeit boring draft. A-

[wilcoam]

Wayne, I concur with your assessment and criticism 100%

For those who don't I understand your reasoning

But I'd like you to name the recent player our Bills gave away 3rd and 4th draft picks to move up for that in the end was worth it?

I can't

Yet our Bills under DW, and various HC's, keep doing it, repeating, what IMO hasn't worked

I'm going to love seeing Jones and Dawkins in a Bills uni

But I'm really going to miss all those 3rd and 4th round draft picks who could have been starting at OLB, nickel, backup RB, etc

I just don't think a 7-8 win team should be continually moving up and casting aside valuable 3rd and 4th round picks

 

jc

Edited April 30, 2017 by wilcoam

[John from Riverside]

Wayne, I concur with your assessment and criticism 100%

For those who don't I understand your reasoning

But I'd like you to name the recent player our Bills gave away 3rd and 4th draft picks to move up for that in the end was worth it?

I can't

Yet our Bills under DW, and various HC's, keep doing it, repeating, what IMO hasn't worked

I'm going to love seeing Jones and Dawkins in a Bills uni

But I'm really going to miss all those 3rd and 4th round draft picks who could have been starting at OLB, nickel, backup RB, etc

I just don't think a 7-8 win team should be continually moving up and casting aside valuable 3rd and 4th round picks

 

jc

but will you still hate the way the draft played out if Jones and Dawkins become quality starters while players in the 3rd and 4th rounds dont pan ?

 

We wont know that for a few years....but still

[Chicken Boo]

 

They traded a third round pick for a fifth round pick. Simply because they thought other teams wanted their guy. Even though he had a third round grade by most publications.

 

Bills picked up what "may very well" be three starters. But they should have picked up what "may very well" be four starters.

 

Last I checked, 4 > 3

Utter nonsense.

[8-8 Forever?]

its all fine. good rebuild/restart draft; but alas,with new coaches, schemes, limited practice (thanks CBA) and Pats stronger than ever (thanks Bills) three more years of suck pretty much in the bag now. just use your heads, go 2-14 and draft Darnold. .. but no, they'll compete like hell, lose a bunch of games by under 10, go 7-9 and get no one. same old Bills. but hey , the tailgates are great, aren't they!

Edited April 30, 2017 by jmcraig44

[BobbyC81]

I like Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson. I now hope, of course, the 2018 qb class still looks as strong a year from now. Scrutiny and the uncertainty of real life tends to alter things a bit. Clearly, the scenario you paint is plausible. I saw a list of five or six names, but the three you mention are the only ones I recall.

There's also Lamar Jackson of Louisville.

[wilcoam]

I didn;t say I hated the picks or the draft but just I am critical of a 7-8 win team continually casting aside 3rd and 4th round draft picks

Actually the test is not if the player turns into a quality starter

The player has to turn into a quality starter plus what we didn't get in the 3rd round

Again under DW, which trade up has worked, examples please?

We will see if the new GM and or new Bills Mgmt team continues this practice....

I;m just saying the old practice so far didn't yield results

 

jc