Top NFL QB Prospects for 2018

[mannc]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Darnold will stay in school. 

Do you have a source, or did you just forget to add “I think” or “IMO”?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

It was stated on the bottom line ticker of NFL live, that Darnold wouldn't stay in if a team like Cleveland had the top pick.

 

This tells me he is a good kid and will make the decision that is best for him.

[JaCrispy]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

It was stated on the bottom line ticker of NFL live, that Darnold wouldn't stay in if a team like Cleveland had the top pick.

 

This tells me he is a good kid and will make the decision that is best for him.

Man, what a year to actually try to win with a below average QB that won’t even be on the roster next year...if both Darnold and Rosen declare this could be one of the biggest blunders McD ever makes. #QBpurgatoryforever

Edited November 29, 2017 by JaCrispy

[Augie]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Man, what a year to actually try to win with a below average QB that won’t even be on the roster next year...if both Darnold and Rosen declare this could be one of the biggest blunders McD ever makes. #QBpurgatoryforever

 

Well....it’s hard to stick with FIVE picks in a first half!  Try to break a record? 

 

It’s comical, and even my kids say I’m not as intense as I used to be. It will work out, it has to given enough time. But I’m no spring chicken.....

[JaCrispy]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Well....it’s hard to stick with FIVE picks in a first half!  Try to break a record? 

 

It’s comical, and even my kids say I’m not as intense as I used to be. It will work out, it has to given enough time. But I’m no spring chicken.....

I hear ya...and It’s not even about Peterman...it’s about how we had a shot at one of top QBs last year and passed...and now we have won too many games this year for top QB...if the Giants get Darnold or Rosen after having Manning the last 14 years, I just might take the bridge  

Edited November 29, 2017 by JaCrispy

[Augie]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

It’s not even about Peterman...it’s about how we had a shot at one of top QBs last year and passed...and now we have won too many games this year for top QB...if the Giants get Darnold or Rosen after having Manning the last 14 years, I just might take the bridge  

 

We have the ammo if there’s a guy they love. Have faith! 

 

(But NO jumping!) 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Man, what a year to actually try to win with a below average QB that won’t even be on the roster next year...if both Darnold and Rosen declare this could be one of the biggest blunders McD ever makes. #QBpurgatoryforever

 

Well you can't blame coaches for trying to win. However this is why I wanted Peterman to start the season, that way we see what he has and if it's all bad then we can get the top pick and pick who we want.

 

If we don't get the chosen two, I'm all in on Mayfield , after that get one when we can.

[Billsfansinceday1]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I hear ya...and It’s not even about Peterman...it’s about how we had a shot at one of top QBs last year and passed...and now we have won too many games this year for top QB...if the Giants get Darnold or Rosen after having Manning the last 14 years, I just might take the bridge  

I have to say I would be very happy with either of these guys but would not be disappointed with Mayfield or Rudolph.

[dave mcbride]

Not sure this has been posted, but I agree with the consensus in favor of Darnold. And I like Rosen! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000877512/article/ask-5-whos-better-nfl-prospect-sam-darnold-or-josh-rosen

 

[thenorthremembers]

 

Anyone here had the chance to watch Drew Lock from Mizzou play?   Looked into him a bit and started to get interested in the schedule he played against this year.  From what I looked at he seemed pretty successful against some very tough pass defenses.   Main issue looks to be accuracy but I havent seen enough games to know whether drops had anything to do with it.

 

He is only a junior so its possible he doesnt declare, but given his size and success against good teams I wouldnt be surprised if he ends up the late climber before the draft,

[Solomon Grundy]

On November 27, 2017 at 7:14 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Hmmm, so Mayock is intrigued with Lamar Jackson.

On November 28, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

It was stated on the bottom line ticker of NFL live, that Darnold wouldn't stay in if a team like Cleveland had the top pick.

 

This tells me he is a good kid and will make the decision that is best for him.

A good kid or a spoiled primadonna.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 hours ago, the skycap said:

Hmmm, so Mayock is intrigued with Lamar Jackson.

A good kid or a spoiled primadonna.

 

 Spoiled ?? Based on what?

Seriously dude you are out there.

 

[ALF]

"I don't know that [playing the other QBs] will give us all the info, but it's better than nothing," Mara said, per NJ.com.

 

"Obviously, we'll have a high draft pick and there will be QBs available."

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000885229/article/giants-owner-no-guarantees-ben-mcadoos-job-is-safe

 

It would cost a lot of draft picks to move up the next draft .

On 11/28/2017 at 2:34 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

It was stated on the bottom line ticker of NFL live, that Darnold wouldn't stay in if a team like Cleveland had the top pick.

 

This tells me he is a good kid and will make the decision that is best for him.

 

Browns should tell him off the record they will take Rosen so he could go #2 . 

 

You can't predict a big trade up especially this year after seeing Goff and Wentz look well worth it. RG3 oops

[The Now Moment]

I've not been a Mayfield guy from the start but the more I watch him...the more he surprises me.  His height is obviously a giant question mark that at first I wasn't able to overlook.  Not even being 6 foot makes me nervous to say the least.  However, Mayfield has a left tackle that is 6'8" in Brown.  That's difficult to disregard.  He's been very productive and shows a passion for the game that I love to watch.  But...then his antics come into play.  Not what any team is looking for in that regard.  Johnny Man, Jameis Winston and Cam Newton all come to mind when thinking about his antics.  While Cam and Jameis are still good players...they aren't the leader that I want for my team.  

 

If we draft him...I'll hold my breath but he could turn out to be great too.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

I've not been a Mayfield guy from the start but the more I watch him...the more he surprises me.  His height is obviously a giant question mark that at first I wasn't able to overlook.  Not even being 6 foot makes me nervous to say the least.  However, Mayfield has a left tackle that is 6'8" in Brown.  That's difficult to disregard.  He's been very productive and shows a passion for the game that I love to watch.  But...then his antics come into play.  Not what any team is looking for in that regard.  Johnny Man, Jameis Winston and Cam Newton all come to mind when thinking about his antics.  While Cam and Jameis are still good players...they aren't the leader that I want for my team.  

 

If we draft him...I'll hold my breath but he could turn out to be great too.

 

His teammates consider him a good leader, that's good enough for me. I wouldn't compare him to those other bums.

[The Now Moment]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

His teammates consider him a good leader, that's good enough for me. I wouldn't compare him to those other bums.

True...I will always have questions with him until he plays on the big stage.  I'm hoping he doesn't waste his talent though.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....Mayfield versus Rudolph.......which way do you go and why (I don't get to see college ball)?......thanks for info.................

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Solomon Grundy]

On November 30, 2017 at 10:52 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Whoa!!! Look at which QB had the best season based on this article. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....Mayfield versus Rudolph.......which way do you go and why (I don't get to see college ball)?......thanks for info.................

It’s 1000% Mayfield for me. I don’t think Rudolph is a 1st round player. 

[sven233]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....Mayfield versus Rudolph.......which way do you go and why (I don't get to see college ball)?......thanks for info.................

Watched every game this season for both guys.  Both bring good things to the table.  I actually like both in a lot of ways, but I am taking Mayfield of the 2.  Rudolph throws a lot of nice balls, especially the deep ball, but everything he has done in out of shotgun.  Also, for a guy his size, his arm, while good enough, isn't as big as I would expect for someone that big.  However, I am one to believe you can get a stronger arm over time and with the right coaching, I think he could be a good one.

 

Mayfield on the other hand is obviously a much smaller guy, but he does have enough arm strength to make all the necessary throws.  Obviously height is a bit of a concern, but if you watch him, there is not an area of the field he cann't see, or avoids because of it.  He throws it all over every part of the field and is super accurate.  He's not afraid to challenge a defense deep and will hang in the pocket until the last possible moment to make a play.  While not a speedster or the most elusive guy in the world, he can move a little bit.  Love his passion and intensity.  You can just tell he loves it and that's the kind of guy I want leading my team.  Immature at times.....yes.  But if he can learn to channel his passion in the right way, he's a guy you'll want leading your team. 

 

Honestly, when I watch Mayfield, I see all the makings of the next Drew Brees.  Accurate, strong enough arm, and can sling it all over the field despite his size.  I know some won't agree, but I see him as a guy that will start flying up boards and go a lot earlier than some believe.  Some see him as a late first or even second rounder.  I bet before it's over he goes top 15......maybe even top 10.  I think he is just going to fly up the board.

 

Would I rather have Rosen or Darnold?  Yes.....but Mayfield might be my number 3 guy right now.  If he's not, he may get that high before the draft.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s 1000% Mayfield for me. I don’t think Rudolph is a 1st round player. 

 

 

...help me out because I said I don't get to see college ball......Rudolph certainly has the size......what are the negatives that steer you clear of him?........how do his positives stack up to Mayfield?........

4 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Watched every game this season for both guys.  Both bring good things to the table.  I actually like both in a lot of ways, but I am taking Mayfield of the 2.  Rudolph throws a lot of nice balls, especially the deep ball, but everything he has done in out of shotgun.  Also, for a guy his size, his arm, while good enough, isn't as big as I would expect for someone that big.  However, I am one to believe you can get a stronger arm over time and with the right coaching, I think he could be a good one.

 

Mayfield on the other hand is obviously a much smaller guy, but he does have enough arm strength to make all the necessary throws.  Obviously height is a bit of a concern, but if you watch him, there is not an area of the field he cann't see, or avoids because of it.  He throws it all over every part of the field and is super accurate.  He's not afraid to challenge a defense deep and will hang in the pocket until the last possible moment to make a play.  While not a speedster or the most elusive guy in the world, he can move a little bit.  Love his passion and intensity.  You can just tell he loves it and that's the kind of guy I want leading my team.  Immature at times.....yes.  But if he can learn to channel his passion in the right way, he's a guy you'll want leading your team. 

 

Honestly, when I watch Mayfield, I see all the makings of the next Drew Brees.  Accurate, strong enough arm, and can sling it all over the field despite his size.  I know some won't agree, but I see him as a guy that will start flying up boards and go a lot earlier than some believe.  Some see him as a late first or even second rounder.  I bet before it's over he goes top 15......maybe even top 10.  I think he is just going to fly up the board.

 

Would I rather have Rosen or Darnold?  Yes.....but Mayfield might be my number 3 guy right now.  If he's not, he may get that high before the draft.

 

....thanks a million for the assessment...MUCH appreciated............from what I've read, Mayfield's "poor judgments" have tabbed him potentially as Chad Kelly II....as far as Rudolph and the shotgun, is that the same fear as the collegiate spread or Air Raid that has you concerned?....a guy like Mariotta seems to be making the transition steadily..........

Edited December 2, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[sven233]

Mayfield just made 3 back to back to back throws against TCU that were NFL caliber.  The first one he eluded a ton of pressure in the pocket, kept his eyes downfield and stuck a throw into his WR along the sideline.  The next was a real stron pass over the middle between 2 defenders.  And then, he caps a drive with a beautiful play action pass from under center for a TD.  Pretty much everything you want to see from a QB in 3 pass plays.

8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...help me out because I said I don't get to see college ball......Rudolph certainly has the size......what are the negatives that steer you clear of him?........how do his positives stack up to Mayfield?........

 

....thanks a million for the assessment...MUCH appreciated............from what I've read, Mayfield's "poor judgments" have tabbed him potentially as Chad Kelly II....as far as Rudolph and the shotgun, is that the same fear as the collegiate spread or Air Raid that has you concerned?....a guy like Mariotta seems to be making the transition steadily..........

I would classify Mayfield's "poor judgements" as just that.  I think it is more immaturity than anything else.  In a vacuum, I don't think they are all that big of a deal.  Should he be doing some of the stuff he's doing?  Of course not.  But they are not the type of actions that alienate his team.  In fact, I think you could make the argument that his teammates love him even more.  If you watched his last game where he was benched for the first few series, his teammates couldn't wait for him to get in there.  The fans were chanting his make and were so pumped when he came in.  Immature at times, yes.....but man....his teammates love him and will follow him anywhere.  That's what I want in a QB.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

23 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

I would classify Mayfield's "poor judgements" as just that.  I think it is more immaturity than anything else.  In a vacuum, I don't think they are all that big of a deal.  Should he be doing some of the stuff he's doing?  Of course not.  But they are not the type of actions that alienate his team.  In fact, I think you could make the argument that his teammates love him even more.  If you watched his last game where he was benched for the first few series, his teammates couldn't wait for him to get in there.  The fans were chanting his make and were so pumped when he came in.  Immature at times, yes.....but man....his teammates love him and will follow him anywhere.  That's what I want in a QB.

 

....certainly will be interesting to see if those judgments are taken into consideration by McD as a good fit in his "high character culture".....stay tuned..........

[Kirby Jackson]

51 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...help me out because I said I don't get to see college ball......Rudolph certainly has the size......what are the negatives that steer you clear of him?........how do his positives stack up to Mayfield?........

 

....thanks a million for the assessment...MUCH appreciated............from what I've read, Mayfield's "poor judgments" have tabbed him potentially as Chad Kelly II....as far as Rudolph and the shotgun, is that the same fear as the collegiate spread or Air Raid that has you concerned?....a guy like Mariotta seems to be making the transition steadily..........

He’s a limited athlete that has great receivers and plays in a great system for a QB. He’s still never won anything. His accuracy is overrated too. His style just feels antiquated to me. I don’t remember the last good QB drafted that couldn’t make plays in AND out of the pocket. The game has evolved. I will be surprised if he goes in round 1.

[ALF]

Watching the Big 12 game . I'm impressed with Mayfield. Then again I was impressed with EJ , Mahomes , Watson and C Kelly .

 

I would never trust my opinion on a college QB.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s a limited athlete that has great receivers and plays in a great system for a QB. He’s still never won anything. His accuracy is overrated too. His style just feels antiquated to me. I don’t remember the last good QB drafted that couldn’t make plays in AND out of the pocket. The game has evolved. I will be surprised if he goes in round 1.

 

....hell then, he'd be a PERFECT fit for Dennison's vaunted "system", right?.........

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Wanna bet?  I guarantee he goes in the first round.....  Not only that, he probably goes in the top half of the first round.  If you have actually watched this Championship game today against TCU, he is showing everything you want in a QB.  Pocket awareness, accuracy, deep balls, and the ability to take off and run.  He has been incredible today.  And his accuracy is overrated?  Are you serious?  He is almost a 70% passer.  Every QB misses throws, bit not many can complete almost 70% of their passes.  He is like Top 10 in NCAA history in accuracy.

Ha ha, you don’t even know what you are talking about!! I love Baker Mayfield. I don’t like Mason Rudolph. 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, sven233 said:

I thought you were talking about Mayfield......  Rudolph may go in the first, but most likely in the 2nd.  Mayfield may end up going top 10.

Is there an apology in there somewhere?

[sven233]

Obviously there was a lot of confusion as to who everyone was talking about in the last few posts.  To keep the board coherent, I have cleaned it up and made sure everyone is on the same page. 

 

In the end, what it comes down to if there is still any confusion, is that we all like Mayfield a lot more than Rudolph.  We all think that Mayfield could be a special player in the NFL if he gets his head on straight and gets into the right situation.  This Championship game has been a good example of what he can be capable of at the next level. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

18 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Obviously there was a lot of confusion as to who everyone was talking about in the last few posts.  To keep the board coherent, I have cleaned it up and made sure everyone is on the same page. 

 

In the end, what it comes down to if there is still any confusion, is that we all like Mayfield a lot more than Rudolph.  We all think that Mayfield could be a special player in the NFL if he gets his head on straight and gets into the right situation.  This Championship game has been a good example of what he can be capable of at the next level. 

 

...so as some suggested that Rudolph may fall to the 2nd, would you go OL/DL or DL/OL with the two 1sts and look for Rudolph in the 2nd?.......much debate about his skill set versus Mayfield but he does have size and is devoid of Mayfield indiscretions which may not fit the "McD mold"...you'd potentially fill three voids with your top three picks....thoughts?.......

Edited December 2, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[ALF]

24 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

 

In the end, what it comes down to if there is still any confusion, is that we all like Mayfield a lot more than Rudolph.  We all think that Mayfield could be a special player in the NFL if he gets his head on straight and gets into the right situation.  This Championship game has been a good example of what he can be capable of at the next level. 

 

I want to see Mayfield at the combine , his height and hand size. If that is ok he would need a very good OL in the NFL  imo. I do like him.

[Kirby Jackson]

54 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...so as some suggested that Rudolph may fall to the 2nd, would you go OL/DL or DL/OL with the two 1sts and look for Rudolph in the 2nd?.......much debate about his skill set versus Mayfield but he does have size and is devoid of Mayfield indiscretions which may not fit the "McD mold"...you'd potentially fill three voids with your top three picks....thoughts?.......

You wouldn’t be filling the biggest void IMO because Rudolph isn’t the guy. Get the guy and worry about everything else after.

[Billsfansinceday1]

48 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

I want to see Mayfield at the combine , his height and hand size. If that is ok he would need a very good OL in the NFL  imo. I do like him.

Ditto.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I watched almost every game of Darnold and he just seems to have lost his swagger this year. If you flipped his freshman and sophomore seasons he would be the top pick hands down. However I think he should go back to school and improve on his turnovers and timing with receivers.

 

I'm all in on Mayfield.

[JaCrispy]

21 hours ago, ALF said:

Watching the Big 12 game . I'm impressed with Mayfield. Then again I was impressed with EJ , Mahomes , Watson and C Kelly .

 

I would never trust my opinion on a college QB.

After you mentioned being impressed with EJ, I second that 

[Acantha]

21 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You wouldn’t be filling the biggest void IMO because Rudolph isn’t the guy. Get the guy and worry about everything else after.

I was talking about this with a friend today who said they shouldn't waste a bunch of draft picks trying to trade up for a QB.

 

I'm so sick and tired of treating draft picks like gold.  I"m tired of treating the off-season like the most important part of the year.  I honestly don't care if they have to pull a Ricky Williams type trade deal with San Fran to get up and draft one of these top guys (to me it's Rosen and Mayfield).  Whatever it takes, get it done THIS year.  The drafts will work work themselves out after that.

[26CornerBlitz]

Chris Trapasso: 2018 NFL Draft QB Stock Watch: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold win conference titles

Mayfield, Darnold had high-efficiency games to lead their teams to respective conference title game wins

 

Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold took advantage of their opportunity to showcase their talents without the other top quarterback prospects on the field over the weekend. 

 

While Mayfield didn't need to do much while Oklahoma cruised to victory over TCU, he definitely didn't have a bad game, and Darnold connected on a variety of downfield passes, chunk plays that were ultimately the difference in the Trojans' thrilling win over Stanford. 

 

Here's a look at the updated stocks of the draft's top signal-caller prospects.  

[4merper4mer]

On December 3, 2017 at 4:04 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

I watched almost every game of Darnold and he just seems to have lost his swagger this year. If you flipped his freshman and sophomore seasons he would be the top pick hands down. However I think he should go back to school and improve on his turnovers and timing with receivers.

 

I'm all in on Mayfield.

 

He reminds me of a guy I kept hearing about a few years back that was going to be one overall, went back to school and sucked and fell off the radar.  His name was Jay Clocker and I'm not even sure if he got drafted.