JohnC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I can't see a way to see a first round QB in Lamar Jackson. He is obviously a better thrower than Tebow but he would be a bit like Tebow going in the 1st to me. I respectfully disagree. As the examining process goes on I'm confident that he will go up the ranks. There is no disputing that he has a long way to go before his game is refined enough for the pro ranks. But the starting point is having the raw materials, and the next step is to mold that material. Gunner, as time goes by I'm confident that you will be jumping on the same bus that I am riding on. I'm not saying that he is going to be your favorite prospect but what I'm sure of is that an open-minded person like you will be receptive to the evidence that will be more fully exhibited as the process moves on. Trust me, I will not lead you astray. P.S. Please put the Tebow comparison away. It does not apply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He is obviously not Tebow. But I think the reasons Tebow went in the 1st would be similar to the reasons for Jackson going there - "raw", "great athlete", "leader", "made strides with his accuracy in college". It comes down to is he a good enough, consistent, accurate thrower. I don't think he is at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He is obviously not Tebow. But I think the reasons Tebow went in the 1st would be similar to the reasons for Jackson going there - "raw", "great athlete", "leader", "made strides with his accuracy in college". It comes down to is he a good enough, consistent, accurate thrower. I don't think he is at this point. I agree with your comment that "at this point" he isn't quite ready. What makes me interested in investing in a talent like him, raw as he is, is that he has demonstrated improvement (refinement) in his passing but still needs to develop his game. From everything I have read about him he has the character, work ethic and desire. Ideally, it would be useful for him to stay another year under the tutelage of Petrino but I don't see him staying in school another year. Another thing one has to factor in when evaluating him is that his team isn't really that good. He is carrying the load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I agree with your comment that "at this point" he isn't quite ready. What makes me interested in investing in a talent like him, raw as he is, is that he has demonstrated improvement (refinement) in his passing but still needs to develop his game. From everything I have read about him he has the character, work ethic and desire. Ideally, it would be useful for him to stay another year under the tutelage of Petrino but I don't see him staying in school another year. Another thing one has to factor in when evaluating him is that his team isn't really that good. He is carrying the load. John, I'm with u!! I hope the Bills could acquire Lamar Jackson for the simple reason is that he's Tyrod Taylor with a ceiling. I would like to see him under the tutelage of Tyrod in learning how to be a professional. One thing you can be sure is that Tyrod is a pros pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 John, I'm with u!! I hope the Bills could acquire Lamar Jackson for the simple reason is that he's Tyrod Taylor with a ceiling. I would like to see him under the tutelage of Tyrod in learning how to be a professional. One thing you can be sure is that Tyrod is a pros pro I have made this point on a number of postings which you are also making is that the best situation is to have an experienced qb in place so the rookie is not forced to play before he is ready. Goff was not close to being ready in his rookie year. He was overwhelmed. Having an offseason to prepare after his rookie year where he was exposed to the playbook gave him the preparation to function with some understanding what he was doing. There is still a learning curve for a qb such as Goff but after making a quantum leap this year I expect him to be much more comfortable entering his third year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 That was a dime from Grier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 So Grier has sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 So Grier has sucked. He's solid but don't see him being elite in the NFL, 3rd rounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Grier has had a bad day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 As of this moment, I am hoping we find a way to get Mayfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Grier is bad. Rudolph didn't look too hot either. The good news is the Bills will have plenty of QB's to choose from, I just don't know if any of them are any good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Crazy how this class has fallen. Allen bombed, Darnold regressed, and Rosen actually improved just not enough for those wanting perfection. I think the rest of the QBs are playing as expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Everytime I see Rosen play for some reason I see Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Grier has had a bad day. It's the hair...he is more concerned with looking pretty than being a student of the position imo...I don't trust players like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It's the hair...he is more concerned with looking pretty than being a student of the position imo...I don't trust players like that.lol. What happened to Rosen? Heard he was out but didnt know why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 lol. What happened to Rosen? Heard he was out but didnt know why Not sure...sounds like the injury is still undisclosed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Not sure...sounds like the injury is still undisclosed He was limping slightly, but it looked like it was his right hand. In street cloths late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Rosens 4.5 yards an attempt was a thing of beauty before the finger injury. Cant win games. Rudolph should have been considered the number one QB from the start of the year and now its obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 UCLA has such a crap team around Rosen. He is a lock to declare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 UCLA has such a crap team around Rosen. He is a lock to declare.Hes going first and will be areally good pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 UCLA has such a crap team around Rosen. He is a lock to declare. Definitely, wonder if we make an eagles type move to get him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Hes going first and will be areally good pro Agreed...he is a very seasoned college QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Josh Allen is this regime targets. He screams McBeane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Definitely, wonder if we make an eagles type move to get him?If it were possible I would be all for it...unfortunately I believe the two winless teams in the league desparately need QB's...I doubt there will be any way either he or Rudolph will be available in a trade...fingers crossed though.Josh Allen is this regime targets. He screams McBeaneMan I really hope not...Allen reminds me of the type of QB Whaley would draft- all brawn, yet minimal QB IQ and accuracy imo Edited October 29, 2017 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 If it were possible I would be all for it...unfortunately I believe the two winless teams in the league desparately need QB's...I doubt there will be any way either he or Rudolph will be available in a trade...fingers crossed though. Man I really hope not...Allen reminds me of the type of QB Whaley would draft- all brawn, yet minimal QB IQ and accuracy imo Yeah it's a shame Allen didn't pan out, has all the tools, definitely a Whaley guy, which means we won't draft him, (thumbs up face). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Yeah it's a shame Allen didn't pan out, has all the tools.Is he a bust? Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Is he a bust? Did I miss something? Not a bust just overhyped because of his size imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Is he a bust? Did I miss something? Wondering the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Rosen is the only QB from this draft that I would want. Even then he's young and needs to mature. Anyone else is a project. I can't picture any of these guys being NFL day 1 starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Rosen is the only QB from this draft that I would want. Even then he's young and needs to mature. Anyone else is a project. I can't picture any of these guys being NFL day 1 starters Rosen is probably the only guy I would feel comfortable selling the farm for... Edited October 29, 2017 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Grier is bad. Rudolph didn't look too hot either. The good news is the Bills will have plenty of QB's to choose from, I just don't know if any of them are any good I think Rosen will be gone before the Bills pick and if we win more than 6 games I suspect Rudolph will too. He hasn't played as well the last couple of weeks and there are legit concerns around his game but I think there is probably enough on tape and enough QB needy teams for a team to pick him top 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Not a bust just overhyped because of his size imho Came into the season in the conversation as a number one overall pick, he absolutely busted out. But he is probably the only quarterback who has the legitimate excuse about not having talent around him, he needs to stay in school. If we trade multiple picks for Rosen Id be incredibly unhappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Grier is bad. Rudolph didn't look too hot either. The good news is the Bills will have plenty of QB's to choose from, I just don't know if any of them are any good Watched this game, both teams are playing one read and an outlet offenses. Find me a QB trusted to actually make progressions and read a defense and then call me impressed. Rosen does it. I haven't seen any others yet, and I've watched all of the "name" guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Rosen is the only QB from this draft that I would want. Even then he's young and needs to mature. Anyone else is a project. I can't picture any of these guys being NFL day 1 starters I'm liking Nick Fitzgerald more and more. Still want the a Bills to draft Lamar Jackson and let him learn from Tyrod. He's a bigger Tyrod with a ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Rosen is probably the only guy I would feel comfortable selling the farm for... I would for Darnold but he's probably not coming out. Watched this game, both teams are playing one read and an outlet offenses. Find me a QB trusted to actually make progressions and read a defense and then call me impressed. Rosen does it. I haven't seen any others yet, and I've watched all of the "name" guys. Darnold is not in one read offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I would for Darnold but he's probably not coming out. Darnold is not in one read offense. I'll have to take your word for it. I've only seen two games; I didn't see him making reads around the field in either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I would for Darnold but he's probably not coming out. Darnold is not in one read offense. Darnold is not even worth selling a small garden for, but I know you think he's great. We'll see. (And by the way, I'm not at all convinced he's staying in school.) Nice call on Darren Carrington, but we won't get him if we wait until the 7th round. I watched him for a few years at U of O and was at the game this weekend in Eugene. He caught 9 balls for 130 yards and he was literally Utah's only receiving threat. Oh, and their QB is awful. I wonder if DC's off-field exploits will make him untouchable for McBeane, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 @latbbolch Jim Mora said Josh Rosen didn't practice but game availability for Utah still unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 @nickcaminoWTAM Per @AlbertBreer, Sam Darnold will want to wait and see who has the top pick or two in the NFL Draft. If it's Browns, he could stay at USC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 @nickcaminoWTAM Per @AlbertBreer, Sam Darnold will want to wait and see who has the top pick or two in the NFL Draft. If it's Browns, he could stay at USC. Damn, how long is he going to have to stay in school before the Browns don't have one of the top couple picks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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