PRBills Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 If we can get him in for under 9 or 10 a year I would be happy. I think he is a decent cb on par with Gilmore. My biggest concern is injury, as history has shown that he is less durable then Gilmore. Does anyone know what his asking price/value is roughly? Obviously that is the biggest factor on picking him up. Based on past history, I would hope that the deal wouldnt be more then 2-3 years with a low guarentee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Thanks Boyst, guess I won't paste his tweets anymore. Yolo... gathered that from Boyst, I didn't know. When the Sabres got Okposo he nailed it first. i'm a nobody so my opinion doesn't matter - but in the shoutbox i think it's alright. there is usually such wild conversation there it can only provide more fodder, at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Bring him in as depth behind seymore. Maybe nickle guy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strethor Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 He would be a great pickup for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 If healthy he's better bang for buck than Gilmore. Plus one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersN'Bills Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Bring him in as depth behind seymore. Maybe nickle guy??? Oh yeah, that's right Graham was cut. I had assumed he would move to back to corner with Hyde being signed. And he's been injured so often I've almost forgotten about him. Edited March 12, 2017 by EersN'Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) If he comes here, he starts, he's got more fight in him than Gilmore. Injuries have slowed his career thus far, 1 year deal worth 6 or 7 million seems right. Edited March 12, 2017 by frogger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 If he comes here, he starts, he's got more fight in him than Gilmore. Injuries have slowed his career thus far, 1 year deal worth 6 or 7 million seems right. If he comes here, he starts, he's got more fight in him than Gilmore. Injuries have slowed his career thus far, 1 year deal worth 6 or 7 million seems right. That Much? 6-7 million??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) I would be fine with bringing Corey White back and drafting one over bringing in Claiborne. at 6 million.i meant to add Edited March 12, 2017 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) I would be fine with bringing Corey White back and drafting one over bringing in Claiborne. at 6 million. i meant to add Nah, you take Claiborne in that case and draft one too. Claiborne, if healthy, has pro bowl talent. It would be a gamble but one worth taking on a prove it deal. Edited March 12, 2017 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Nah, you take Claiborne in that case and draft one too. Claiborne, if healthy, has pro bowl talent. It would be a gamble but one worth taking on a prove it deal. when gambling you have to account for the risk. In this case. injury. at that dollar point you are depending on this guy to play. I too would like to get him here. But at a price where I still get another fellow who can play a couple game on the boundary. Obviously i am risk adverse , And terrible gambler ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I'm over guys that are always injured. I wouldn't even bother. You need guys that are going to be on the field. When a guy has missed this much time in his career, just forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I would be fine with bringing Corey White back and drafting one over bringing in Claiborne. at 6 million. i meant to add I think we bring back White, he wasn't stellar, but he's cheap and has the size you look for in a cover 2 cover 3 corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I think we bring back White, he wasn't stellar, but he's cheap and has the size you look for in a cover 2 cover 3 corner As long as they are players that fit the defense all for it Just give me player's that are scheme fit and give it 100 percent every play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I think we bring back White, he wasn't stellar, but he's cheap and has the size you look for in a cover 2 cover 3 corner Worse case he can definitely back up. or package plays. He wants to come back from some of the quotes i have read. One thing for sure, this Defense is not going to look like the last two years have. I will call that a positive ! If they bring in Morris. good. But he will need to earn his keep. as mentioned upstream. Verner might have been the better scheme choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Worse case he can definitely back up. or package plays. He wants to come back from some of the quotes i have read. One thing for sure, this Defense is not going to look like the last two years have. I will call that a positive ! If they bring in Morris. good. But he will need to earn his keep. as mentioned upstream. Verner might have been the better scheme choice Yea I agree. Bring him in as a backup and nickle guy. Will be an upgrade from Nikel Robey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Claiborne is not a nickel guy. He is a boundary corner and if the Bills sign him he almost certainly starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Claiborne is not a nickel guy. He is a boundary corner and if the Bills sign him he almost certainly starts. Maybe he meant White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Yea I agree. Bring him in as a backup and nickle guy. Will be an upgrade from Nikel Robey. Clayborne? If he gets signed that is your starter opposite Darby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Incarcerated bob posted this the other day that Bills were talking to him. Had to delete because I was made aware we weren't allowed to post anything from him. I wasn't aware that we had any standards to be disqualified from? I am flummoxed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 A signing like this would certainly make me feel a little bit better about FA. We would pretty much be able to get away with not drafting a corner early and would minimize the loss of Gilmore. If Clayborn stays healthy you have him and Darby on the outside with Seymore in the slot. White rolling in as the next guy up at either position. Hyde at SS and Poyer/rookie at FS. Not great but not terrible. Not forcing our guys to play man on the outside constantly should help our back end. If we pull this signing off, I may be inclined to feel pretty confident in our back end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think he ends up in Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 when gambling you have to account for the risk. In this case. injury. at that dollar point you are depending on this guy to play. I too would like to get him here. But at a price where I still get another fellow who can play a couple game on the boundary. Obviously i am risk adverse , And terrible gambler ! You make sense. But I'm not advocating they sign him to a long term, big money deal. I'm saying a one or two year deal with a lot of incentives, mainly tied to games played. And they should still draft a CB or two because this draft is deep in quality at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 We have to be careful signing anyone because we're trying to get compensatory picks. Can you imagine the horror of getting a free 3rd and 4th round pick? What kind of dumb team would want that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 You make sense. But I'm not advocating they sign him to a long term, big money deal. I'm saying a one or two year deal with a lot of incentives, mainly tied to games played. And they should still draft a CB or two because this draft is deep in quality at that position. Sounds fine by me then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Get it done. The more holes you can fill in in free agency, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrinkinBuddy Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 This dude has the lowest wonderlic score of all-time. He's a man corner and will be asked to play zone. His ability to learn should be questioned. He doesn't seem like a very good fit imo. Chris Leak — QB — Wonderlic Score: 8. ... Vince Young — QB — Wonderlic Score: 6. ... Oscar Davenport — QB — Wonderlic Score: 6. ... Frank Gore — RB — Wonderlic Score: 6. ... Edward 'Pig' Prather — S — Wonderlic Score: 5. ... Darren Davis — RB — Wonderlic Score: 4. ... Morris Claiborne — CB — Wonderlic Score: 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 This dude has the lowest wonderlic score of all-time. He's a man corner and will be asked to play zone. His ability to learn should be questioned. He doesn't seem like a very good fit imo. Chris Leak — QB — Wonderlic Score: 8. ... Vince Young — QB — Wonderlic Score: 6. ... Oscar Davenport — QB — Wonderlic Score: 6. ... Frank Gore — RB — Wonderlic Score: 6. ... Edward 'Pig' Prather — S — Wonderlic Score: 5. ... Darren Davis — RB — Wonderlic Score: 4. ... Morris Claiborne — CB — Wonderlic Score: 4. Wonderlic is severely overrated. I don't care if he knows how old Billy-Bob is based off of Jim-Bob and his WV cousins sisters husbands age being twice the half of his. Can he play football at a high level, if the answer is yes, you sign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I'm over guys that are always injured. I wouldn't even bother. You need guys that are going to be on the field. When a guy has missed this much time in his career, just forget about it. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Can you imagine the horror of getting a free 3rd and 4th round pick? What kind of dumb team would want that right? Serious questions, is there any free agents you would sign? I mean we lost 20+ guys to FA. Is it not impossible to fill with 6 draft picks this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I do worry about this guy's health. I'd rather sign Brandon Carr for a 1-2 year deal. He's older, but he hasn't missed a game in 5 years and I'd say he's the better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I do worry about this guy's health. I'd rather sign Brandon Carr for a 1-2 year deal. He's older, but he hasn't missed a game in 5 years and I'd say he's the better player. I like Carr also. Hope we sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Wonderlic is severely overrated. I don't care if he knows how old Billy-Bob is based off of Jim-Bob and his WV cousins sisters husbands age being twice the half of his. Can he play football at a high level, if the answer is yes, you sign him And here is it, the annual anti-Wonderlic point. Severely underrated by those with an inability to connect the need to think with the ability to play football. Football is a sport followed by lots of old school. "tough guy" types who severely undervalue brains. This guys had a four. He was a first round physical talent and hasn't lived up to it. Huh. Coincidence? The Peter principle applies to football too and brains are the common factor. You want a moron playing CB, expect the results people have seen with this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) And here is it, the annual anti-Wonderlic point. Severely underrated by those with an inability to connect the need to think with the ability to play football. Football is a sport followed by lots of old school. "tough guy" types who severely undervalue brains. This guys had a four. He was a first round physical talent and hasn't lived up to it. Huh. Coincidence? The Peter principle applies to football too and brains are the common factor. You want a moron playing CB, expect the results people have seen with this guy. NFL Wonderlic Scores Player Wonderlic Score Position Pat McInally 50 P Mike Mamula 49 LB Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 QB Greg McElroy 48 QB Benjamin Watson 48 TE Kevin Curtis 48 WR Matt Birk 46 OL Jason Maas 43 QB Eric Decker 43 WR Blaine Gabbert 42 QB Drew Henson 42 QB Pete Kendall 41 LB Ryan Nassib 41 QB Bruce Eugene 41 QB Hugh Millen 41 QB Calvin Johnson 41 WR Carson Wentz 40 QB Alex Smith 40 QB Darrell Hackney 40 QB Jeff Matthews 40 QB Sean Mannion 40 QB Eli Manning 39 QB And you were saying how important it was, look at this all star list of players...... Edited March 14, 2017 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 NFL Wonderlic Scores Player Wonderlic Score Position Pat McInally 50 P Mike Mamula 49 LB Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 QB Greg McElroy 48 QB Benjamin Watson 48 TE Kevin Curtis 48 WR Matt Birk 46 OL Jason Maas 43 QB Eric Decker 43 WR Blaine Gabbert 42 QB Drew Henson 42 QB Pete Kendall 41 LB Ryan Nassib 41 QB Bruce Eugene 41 QB Hugh Millen 41 QB Calvin Johnson 41 WR Carson Wentz 40 QB Alex Smith 40 QB Darrell Hackney 40 QB Jeff Matthews 40 QB Sean Mannion 40 QB Eli Manning 39 QB And you were saying how important it was, look at this all star list of players...... Tell me more about this Bruce Eugene. Can we get him on the cheap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Below 15, I know what list I am going to choose my players from. Jon Baldwin 14 WR Darrius Heyward-Bey 14 WR Sammie Coates 14 WR Justin Gilbert 14 CB Jadeveon Clowney 14 DE Willie Anderson 14 OL Mychal Kendricks 14 DL David Garrard 14 QB Seneca Wallace 14 QB Marshawn Lynch 14 RB Wayne Madkin 14 QB Ortega Jenkins 14 QB Donovan Mcnabb 14 QB John David Booty 14 QB Charlie Batch 14 QB Kordell Stewart 14 QB Eddie George 14 RB De'Anthony Thomas 14 RB Jerome Woods 14 S Mo Alexander 14 S Rickey Dudley 14 TE Martavis Bryant 14 WR Simeon Rice 13 DE Reggie Wayne 13 WR Ra'Shede Hageman 13 DT Ray Lewis 13 LB Rasheed Marshall 13 QB Brock Berlin 13 QB Brad Banks 13 QB Neil O'Donnell 13 QB Lamarcus Joyner 13 S Stanley Jean-Baptiste 12 CB Ted White 12 QB Tobi Karrode 12 QB Tim Biakabutuka 12 RB George Atkinson 12 RB Eddie Kennison 12 WR Percy Harvin 12 WR Randy Moss 12 WR Todd Gurley 12 RB Louis Delmas 12 FS Kyle Fuller 11 CB Daryl Gardener 11 DT Marcus Smith 11 QB Ell Robertson 11 QB Romario Miller 11 QB Tee Martin 11 QB Keyshawn Johnson 11 WR Torry Holt 11 WR Eric Moulds 11 WR Cordarrelle Patterson 11 WR Christine Michael 11 RB Hakeem Nicks 11 WR Kony Ealy 10 DE Derrelle Revis 10 CB Michael Bishop 10 QB Jeff George 10 QB CJ Spiller 10 RB Chris Johnson 10 RB Reggie Ragland 10 LB AJ Green 10 WR Charles Rogers 10 WR Sebastian Janikowski 9 K Carlos Hyde 9 RB DeForest Buckner 9 DE Travis Henry 9 RB Kadeem Carey 9 RB Lache Seastrunk 9 RB Chris Leak 8 QB Vince Evans 8 QB Bobby Wagner 8 LB Terrelle Pryor 7 QB Tavon Austin 7 RB Kelvin Benjamin 7 WR Vince Young 6 QB Oscar Davenport 6 QB Frank Gore 6 RB Edward Prather 5 S Morris Claiborne 4 CB Darren Davis 4 RB Edited March 14, 2017 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Below 15, I know what list I am going to choose my players from. Jon Baldwin 14 WR Darrius Heyward-Bey 14 WR Sammie Coates 14 WR Justin Gilbert 14 CB Jadeveon Clowney 14 DE Willie Anderson 14 OL Mychal Kendricks 14 DL David Garrard 14 QB Seneca Wallace 14 QB Marshawn Lynch 14 RB Wayne Madkin 14 QB Ortega Jenkins 14 QB Donovan Mcnabb 14 QB John David Booty 14 QB Charlie Batch 14 QB Kordell Stewart 14 QB Eddie George 14 RB De'Anthony Thomas 14 RB Jerome Woods 14 S Mo Alexander 14 S Rickey Dudley 14 TE Martavis Bryant 14 WR Simeon Rice 13 DE Reggie Wayne 13 WR Ra'Shede Hageman 13 DT Ray Lewis 13 LB Rasheed Marshall 13 QB Brock Berlin 13 QB Brad Banks 13 QB Neil O'Donnell 13 QB Lamarcus Joyner 13 S Stanley Jean-Baptiste 12 CB Ted White 12 QB Tobi Karrode 12 QB Tim Biakabutuka 12 RB George Atkinson 12 RB Eddie Kennison 12 WR Percy Harvin 12 WR Randy Moss 12 WR Todd Gurley 12 RB Louis Delmas 12 FS Kyle Fuller 11 CB Daryl Gardener 11 DT Marcus Smith 11 QB Ell Robertson 11 QB Romario Miller 11 QB Tee Martin 11 QB Keyshawn Johnson 11 WR Torry Holt 11 WR Eric Moulds 11 WR Cordarrelle Patterson 11 WR Christine Michael 11 RB Hakeem Nicks 11 WR Kony Ealy 10 DE Derrelle Revis 10 CB Michael Bishop 10 QB Jeff George 10 QB CJ Spiller 10 RB Chris Johnson 10 RB Reggie Ragland 10 LB AJ Green 10 WR Charles Rogers 10 WR Sebastian Janikowski 9 K Carlos Hyde 9 RB DeForest Buckner 9 DE Travis Henry 9 RB Kadeem Carey 9 RB Lache Seastrunk 9 RB Chris Leak 8 QB Vince Evans 8 QB Bobby Wagner 8 LB Terrelle Pryor 7 QB Tavon Austin 7 RB Kelvin Benjamin 7 WR Vince Young 6 QB Oscar Davenport 6 QB Frank Gore 6 RB Edward Prather 5 S Morris Claiborne 4 CB Darren Davis 4 RB Get ready for the usual its apples to oranges, different game now. The game is SO complicated now that guys who were good like Kelly, Marino and McNabb couldn't play anymore because their wonderlic was too low. Oh and I almost forgot! And, then there is the too high of a wonderlic crowd. There actually is a window between a score of 20-29 where all players should come from! PS It is amazing that Revis was even able to play Corner with such a low wonderlic(10) Edited March 14, 2017 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Some of these universities should be ashamed of themselves. I know they went there to play football, but they're giving diplomas to people who could only score 4-5 on the Wonderlic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Some of these universities should be ashamed of themselves. I know they went there to play football, but they're giving diplomas to people who could only score 4-5 on the Wonderlic. You're assuming they graduate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 You're assuming they graduate. I think you are also assuming some of these guys actually try to score well on this test. I would assume nearly half of these guys don't take this test seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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