Liberal Protests

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[muppy]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

EXACTLY.

 

He made a terrific Rose Garden speech,

 

Then a symbolic walk over to the just vandalized "Church of the Presidents"

 

 

 

The Left immediately saw that it was very effective...................and threw everything (and continue to) against it.

 

 

 

Effective? Yeah I'll say it was effective....effective at pissing off a ton of Christian folks who see through this blatant attempt to pander to evangelicals with this phoney display of piety...Please.

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Margarita said:

Effective? Yeah I'll say it was effective....effective at pissing off a ton of Christian folks who see through this blatant attempt to pander to evangelicals with this phoney display of piety...Please.

 

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion Ma'am, but that is not what I am hearing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion Ma'am, but that is not what I am hearing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Insane is the right word. How can anyone hope to reason with or find common ground with people like this? The answer is you can't and anything short of marching in lockstep with their agenda makes you a racist.

[billsfan1959]

43 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I don't agree with any of the destructiveness that has been happening. I think the whole phrase is, "a few bad apples spoil the bunch." 

 

I think all cops have a tough job, and most of them want to protect and serve. But I think the laws and culture of policing are setup to protect, intentionally or not, to protect the bad cops. And I've seen enough retaliation and punishment against the preverbal good cop for speaking out against the actions of the bad cop to believe that the system needs to be reformed. 

 

Sorry, just not true.

 

Two other things:

 

(1) A standard for the use of deadly force already exists. What people are calling for is a concrete, objective standard. That is ridiculous. It's like telling you that you have to meet 3 specific, measurable criteria to be in fear of your life, and If those three thigs do not all exist and you still are in fear of your life, then that fear is not legitimate. We are talking about human beings making, what are often, split-second decisions, based on various criteria and fluid dynamics.

 

(2) Almost every police killing is reviewed by outside agencies and every one should be. What I don't believe should happen is leaving the decision on the legitimacy of the actions of the Officer in the hands of a civilian review board. I have no problems with such boards existing and working with departments; however, they should not have that authority.

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Sorry, just not true.

 

Two other things:

 

(1) A standard for the use of deadly force already exists. What people are calling for is a concrete, objective standard. That is ridiculous. It's like telling you that you have to meet 3 specific, measurable criteria to be in fear of your life, and If those three thigs do not all exist and you still are in fear of your life, then that fear is not legitimate. We are talking about human beings making, what are often, split-second decisions, based on various criteria and fluid dynamics.

 

(2) Almost every police killing is reviewed by outside agencies and every one should be. What I don't believe should happen is leaving the decision on the legitimacy of the actions of the Officer in the hands of a civilian review board. I have no problems with such boards existing and working with departments; however, they should not have that authority.

 

Well said. The standard for the use of deadly physical force appears in Penal Law article 35 in New York State.  And, at least in NYS, officer-initiated deaths are reviewed by the AG’s office so as to take local politics out of the equation.  As those instances should be.  

19 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion Ma'am, but that is not what I am hearing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We’re all equal at the foot of the cross.  But, according to bunker boy, we have to honor those who fought for inequality.  

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/president-trump-rails-against-removal-beautiful-confederate-statues-n793451

[Magox]

34 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

This is a part of what I'm talking about.  The Whitewashing of facts on the ground.   

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion Ma'am, but that is not what I am hearing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another example of the Orwellian society we are in today.

 

This is a form of what Orwell considers "thought crime".

 

I'm going to make this a theme.

[billsfan1959]

22 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion Ma'am, but that is not what I am hearing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the shaming of America. It is nothing more than bullying people who disagree with you into agreeing with you. It is a minority of this country that engages in it, and they rely on the decency of the majority to acquiesce because they are decent people who do not want to be perceived in the manner they are being depicted.

 

It is the very absence of tolerance by those who wrap themselves up in that particular virtue.

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by billsfan1959

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The Blue Wave is coming for Trump. 2018 showed the way 

It is, or it isn't. You've been wrong before, pretty consistently.  

 

10 minutes ago, Margarita said:

Effective? Yeah I'll say it was effective....effective at pissing off a ton of Christian folks who see through this blatant attempt to pander to evangelicals with this phoney display of piety...Please.

Whatever. Like everyone else, if Trump walking to the church is the hot button issue that really riles 'em, they should vote their conscience. 

 

Maybe they can do it from the 11 x12 home office where they worship, mask on, while watching services online because the government tells them they are cowardly, dumb , selfish and ignorant if they attempt to celebrate together.   Hell, if they have two monitors maybe they can watch their local politician marching arm and arm with other citizens, those who apparently are immune to the super bug, not a mask in sight.   Or, maybe they can use the second monitor to track the movement of the wandering hoard of looters and vandals, maybe they can see their church if the vandals get to the right neighborhood.   There really are a lot of options when the government locks you down. It's liberating. 

 

 

[Magox]

mmhmmm

 

Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher.  Kumbaya, you name it.

 

 

[B-Man]

3 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

Can't really have an honest conversation with people on the left or in this movement, because they begin from a point of dishonesty.

 

 

Amen.

 

 

 

 

[Dante]

One positive out all this bullshite. 

For all the hard work the left has done at gun grabbing, this has set it back 30 years. In fact, they are going to be more popular than ever.

All the fake mass shooting. The constant fear tactics traumatizing young kids in elementary schools with active shooter drills. On and on, all for not. No one in their right mind would give up personal protection now.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Dante

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

mmhmmm

 

Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher.  Kumbaya, you name it.

 

 

 

It's so transparent... 

 

Why does she want this? To spark more riots near the White House. 

 

Why does she want that? To get people to storm the grounds. 

 

Why does she want that? So that when those people storm the grounds they get turned to mist by the USSS. 

 

Why does she want that?

 

Imagine the propaganda and photo ops that would bring. 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Well said. The standard for the use of deadly physical force appears in Penal Law article 35 in New York State.  And, at least in NYS, officer-initiated deaths are reviewed by the AG’s office so as to take local politics out of the equation.  As those instances should be.  

 

We’re all equal at the foot of the cross.  But, according to bunker boy, we have to honor those who fought for inequality.  

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/president-trump-rails-against-removal-beautiful-confederate-statues-n793451

 

Right on the outside review. It should always happen.

 

As for the issue of confederate statues, I am somewhat conflicted. I am not a big fan of erasing history and I feel it is a slippery slope. I also recognize that we don't want to glorify something as horrific as slavery. I think distinctions can be made. There are statues and monuments that were erected specifically to endorse white supremacy and the inferiority of the black race. I have no problem doing away with those because of the intent behind their construction. I am not a fan of eradicating statues/monuments/etc. of people that were created to honor their contributions to this country, simply because they also held a belief we might find reprehensible today, but was not that uncommon in their time. Lots of honest dialogue on that issue.

[Magox]

This is an example of Doublethink

 

#Orwellian

 

 

[bilzfancy]

10 minutes ago, Magox said:

mmhmmm

 

Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher.  Kumbaya, you name it.

 

 

Is one of the requirements of being mayor in DC is crack addict?

[Unforgiven]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Wow  Democrats are crazy. We need the police to help us all out.

We need the police to protect us from the hollywood crazies.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Then Holder can use drug cartels that he armed so well for security

[SectionC3]

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right on the outside review. It should always happen.

 

As for the issue of confederate statues, I am somewhat conflicted. I am not a big fan of erasing history and I feel it is a slippery slope. I also recognize that we don't want to glorify something as horrific as slavery. I think distinctions can be made. There are statues and monuments that were erected specifically to endorse white supremacy and the inferiority of the black race. I have no problem doing away with those because of the intent behind their construction. I am not a fan of eradicating statues/monuments/etc. of people that were created to honor their contributions to this country, simply because they also held a belief we might find reprehensible today, but was not that uncommon in their time. Lots of honest dialogue on that issue.

 

Those are some fair points.  I was a history major, and I’m very interested in American history and Civil War history.  On the one hand, I agree with you.  We shouldn’t destroy anything of historical value in the passions of the moment.  On the other hand, I can’t say that I think it appropriate to literally elevate Robert E. Lee in Richmond.  Maybe there’s a better way to do it without making the statutes shrines or gathering points.  I don’t have a good explanation of what that should be - perhaps the Smithsonian?  I don’t know.  But I do know that the time to change the “monumental” character of those things has long since passed.  

[whatdrought]

19 minutes ago, Magox said:

mmhmmm

 

Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher.  Kumbaya, you name it.

 

 

 

I guarantee this idiot has no less than 2 armed security officers around her at all time and doesn't shop for her own groceries. 

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Those are some fair points.  I was a history major, and I’m very interested in American history and Civil War history.  On the one hand, I agree with you.  We shouldn’t destroy anything of historical value in the passions of the moment.  On the other hand, I can’t say that I think it appropriate to literally elevate Robert E. Lee in Richmond.  Maybe there’s a better way to do it without making the statutes shrines or gathering points.  I don’t have a good explanation of what that should be - perhaps the Smithsonian?  I don’t know.  But I do know that the time to change the “monumental” character of those things has long since passed.  

If you know civil war history then you know it really wasn't fought over slavery. If we're to erase anyone who had anything to do with slavery then we'll lose George Washington, Jefferson etc.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

If you know civil war history then you know it really wasn't fought over slavery. If we're to erase anyone who had anything to do with slavery then we'll lose George Washington, Jefferson etc.

 

Don't bring facts and logic to a Feelz fight. 

[muppy]

modern remix of an older song listen to the words they are powerful.

[Chandemonium]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I don't see any laughing. ?‍♂️

Lots of "stay home" responses. Hey, that is what we were told for the covid "crisis," same should apply here.


 

 

How exactly does one “actively pass out?”

[B-Man]

ANALYSIS: TRUE. Protests Expose Lockdowns And Social Distancing Shaming As A Farce.

 

 

Related: ‘We’ve All Been Played:’ Bethany Mandel takes the Left and their ‘scandal of the century’ APART in just two brutal tweets.

 

[bilzfancy]

3 minutes ago, Margarita said:

modern remix of an older song listen to the words they are powerful.

A better one is Barry McGuire's Eve of Destruction

[billsfan1959]

22 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Those are some fair points.  I was a history major, and I’m very interested in American history and Civil War history.  On the one hand, I agree with you.  We shouldn’t destroy anything of historical value in the passions of the moment.  On the other hand, I can’t say that I think it appropriate to literally elevate Robert E. Lee in Richmond.  Maybe there’s a better way to do it without making the statutes shrines or gathering points.  I don’t have a good explanation of what that should be - perhaps the Smithsonian?  I don’t know.  But I do know that the time to change the “monumental” character of those things has long since passed.  

 

It really is a tough issue. I am very interested in American history myself and I have no problems with the existence of anything that honors the memory of Robert E. Lee, as I 'm sure you don't either. It is why people choose to honor him and elevate him that is the issue. That is what the constant struggle is for.

 

Destroying things of historical value to stop the malevolent ways in which they are used is like tearing down windmills to stop damaging winds.

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Westside]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

 

It’s also scary when you gas peaceful protestors to get a photo op and threaten to needlessly turn the military upon the civilian population.  

Wrong

[B-Man]

Just now, westside2 said:

Wrong

 

 

He knows it........................he just doesn't care for that "fact"

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

38 minutes ago, Magox said:

mmhmmm

 

Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher.  Kumbaya, you name it.

 

 

And the people's President should ride in a convertible. 

 

What a &^%$ing moron. 

 

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

The police were not wearing gas masks..................it was NOT tear gas.
 

 

I don't believe any of this social media stuff. The greatest vehicle for disinformation and mind control than any other invention in human history so far.

 

However, I do know a little about tear gas.  When I was in Marine boot camp they had us put gas masks on to learn how to use them.  They then took us into a quanset hut where they had deployed tear gas.  We could breathe fine. Then they had us take the masks off.  Drool and spit started coming out of my mouth.  My eyes were itchy and draining water.  I was coughing and could hardly breathe.  Then we put the masks back on and went back out side.  It took 15 minutes for us to get back to where we could breathe normally and our eyes stop itching.

 

I watched the video.  People were not running madly away which one would do if really exposed.  Instead some were running and some were being bad asses walking backwards with their hands up. One dude even stood there and let the cops push him along with their shields.  Again, cops without gas masks walking into the smoke ("tear gas").

 

My experience with tear gas was waaaaaaaaaay different.  I call BS.

[Tiberius]

44 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It is, or it isn't. You've been wrong before, pretty consistently.  

 

 

Was I wrong in 2018? Where are you Paul Ryan???

[Motorin']

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

It really is a tough issue. I am very interested in American history myself and I have no problems with the existence of anything that honors the memory of Robert E. Lee, as I 'm sure you don't either. It is why people choose to honor him and elevate him that is the issue. That is what the constant struggle is for.

 

Destroying something of historical value to stop the malevolent ways in which they are used is like tearing down windmills to stop the damaging winds.

 

Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. Placed in the center of town squares and at capital buildings during Segregation, they were symbols of power. White power over black lives. That's the history of many of these statues. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

48 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

This is the shaming of America. It is nothing more than bullying people who disagree with you into agreeing with you. It is a minority of this country that engages in it, and they rely on the decency of the majority to acquiesce because they are decent people who do not want to be perceived in the manner they are being depicted.

 

It is the very absence of tolerance by those who wrap themselves up in that particular virtue.

 

I wish I could say that’s true, but it’s way bigger than that. My college age niece is physically and visibly DISABLED! Even she’s apologizing for all white people for our so called privilege!  Our woke generation has been brainwashed into buying this garbage by an out of control public education system. 

[bilzfancy]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I don't believe any of this social media stuff. The greatest vehicle for disinformation and mind control than any other invention in human history so far.

 

However, I do know a little about tear gas.  When I was in Marine boot camp they had us put gas masks on to learn how to use them.  They then took us into a quanset hut where they had deployed tear gas.  We could breathe fine. Then they had us take the masks off.  Drool and spit started coming out of my mouth.  My eyes were itchy and draining water.  I was coughing and could hardly breathe.  Then we put the masks back on and went back out side.  It took 15 minutes for us to get back to where we could breathe normally and our eyes stop itching.

 

I watched the video.  People were not running madly away which one would do if really exposed.  Instead some were running and some were being bad asses walking backwards with their hands up. One dude even stood there and let the cops push him along with their shields.  Again, cops without gas masks walking into the smoke ("tear gas").

 

My experience with tear gas was waaaaaaaaaay different.  I call BS.

Went through the same in army basic training, I'll never forget it, mask off say name, rank, serial number then slowly walk out, doubled over trying to breath, snot down to your feet, not a pleasant experience for sure

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it.

 

But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule.

 

 

 

 

The Robert E. Lee statue in question was not.

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. Placed in the center of town squares and at capital buildings during Segregation, they were symbols of power. White power over black lives. That's the history of many of these statues. 

 

I already addressed that in my post previous to the one above. There are distinctions to be made that, for me, rest on the intent of the specific historical statue / monument/ etc .

 

What we don't need is the arbitray destruction of anything based on a mob mentality. 

 

There are better avenues to address these things.

[SectionC3]

26 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

If you know civil war history then you know it really wasn't fought over slavery. If we're to erase anyone who had anything to do with slavery then we'll lose George Washington, Jefferson etc.

It didn’t start strictly over slavery, you’re right. And you’re right about Washington and Jefferson.  It’s a slippery slope there.  But the monuments have to go.