Liberal Protests

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Have you looked at black unemployment recently? 

 

It's currently over 16%. 

 

Are you for real?

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

But rioting helps the jobs come back?

 

 

I'm going to assume many of the rioters are part of the 40 million people unemployed over the last 10 weeks. 

 

Low income people working in cities who have lost their jobs and have nothing better to do. 

Edited June 2, 2020 by jrober38

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Your reading comprehension skills seem to still be lacking.

 

When did I say it wasn't low?

 

I said, have you looked RECENTLY, and you immediately put words in my mouth, changing my argument, as you always do. 

 

When it is directly a result of the shutdown due to the virus, then it has absolutely no relationship to your argument.

 

Are you honestly this stupid?

 

That is a rhetorical question

 

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm going to assume many of the rioters are part of the 40 million people unemployed over the last 10 weeks. 

 

Low income people working in cities who have lost their jobs and have nothing better to do. 

 

How about you assume they are criminals and start from there

 

Edited June 2, 2020 by billsfan1959

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Hate seems to be a Trump family value. 

 

 

For 5 minutes intellectual honesty would be appreciated. I don’t know why I’d expect it, but carry on. 

[Sundancer]

 

[bilzfancy]

6 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Right.

 

The issue is those jobs aren't coming back anytime soon. 

You're probably right, because most of the damage being done in these riots are in black communities

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm going to assume many of the rioters are part of the 40 million people unemployed over the last 10 weeks. 

 

Low income people working in cities who have lost their jobs and have nothing better to do. 

OIC! Soros and company hiring them to riot, loot and pillage is a way of bringing down the unemployment numbers cause by the Wuhan virus.

That is some hot take there!
 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Sundancer said:

 

 

Well at least there is cause for celebration while cities are burning....

 

SMFH

[Sig1Hunter]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The comments on this twitter thread. Oy. People truly think they can block roads, loot buildings, start fires, heck, protest without permits, and there should be no repercussions for them.
 

 

bingo. This is why it was ok for police to gas and flashbang the “peaceful protest” in Washington DC. Because even if it was peaceful, it was very likely still illegal. I doubt there was a permit, and even if there was I doubt the permit allowed them to block streets. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Well at least there is cause for celebration while cities are burning....

 

SMFH

No one is ever going to know the source of the money.  Sorta like Obama's donations not having the cvv CC requirement, gofundme being a funnel for payoffs, etc. As long as there are untraceable VISA/MCs that can be bought with cash, money can be hidden and donated.

 

[bilzfancy]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Well at least there is cause for celebration while cities are burning....

 

SMFH

A lot of that money is coming from Hollywood douchebags

[Uncle Joe]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Looting and your get away car is a Rolls Royce!?!?!?
 

 

I think professional shoplifting rings are taking advantage of the non-enforcement that is now prevalent.

[BillStime]

12 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Thanks Cuomo/Wolf/Whitmer/"Science Believers!"

 

Thank you Donald Trump for absolutely destroying our pandemic infrastructure since arriving office.

 

Oh - and thanks for ignoring intelligence since November...

 

But sure - blame some Governors for the global pandemic.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

No one is ever going to know the source of the money.  Sorta like Obama's donations not having the cvv CC requirement, gofundme being a funnel for payoffs, etc. As long as there are untraceable VISA/MCs that can be bought with cash, money can be hidden and donated.

 

 

"Never let a good crisis go to waste."

 

The Democrats are corrupt to their core, and the mainstream republican party ain't any better.

 

Need a good cleansing of our establishment politics.

 

Just now, BillStime said:

Thank you Donald Trump for absolutely destroying our pandemic infrastructure since arriving office.

 

Oh - and thanks for ignoring intelligence since November...

 

But sure - blame some Governors for the global pandemic.

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

For 5 minutes intellectual honesty would be appreciated. I don’t know why I’d expect it, but carry on. 

Many people learn their racism in the home. It seems Trump did. Not sure how you can disagree honestly 

[BillStime]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Many people learn their racism in the home. It seems Trump did. Not sure how you can disagree honestly 

Trump is perfect - cmon Tibs

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Many people learn their racism in the home. It seems Trump did. Not sure how you can disagree honestly 

 

Where did you learn yours? Just curious.

 

Or are you one of those "enlightened" souls that loves to look down on everyone else as having no ability for insight, introspection, thoughtful consideration, etc.?

[dubs]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

This is really so funny. Democrats in the 1860's? Do you think they are the same as Democrats today? Just because the name is the same? 

 

How can anyone make such an argument? Would Nathan Bedford Forest of been an Obama supporter? 

 

Well, I am glad to see you admit that Democrats don't exists.  They may call themself that, but they are violent marxists now.  They should just call themselves the Bolshevik Party at this point.  

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Where did you learn yours? Just curious.

 

Or are you one of those "enlightened" souls that loves to look down on everyone else as having no ability for insight, introspection, thoughtful consideration, etc.?

Everyone has their moment - right 59?

 

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Don't get defensive. That doesn't advance our discussion. 

I never play defense. Only offense. It's just my style.

All I'm pointing out is that the five poorest states in the US based off GDP per capita are South Carolina, Arkansas, West Virginia, Idaho and Mississippi. Conservative principals have obviously not worked there, so the issue is more than just democratic policies failing in "urban jungles". Things are failing everywhere. 

Again, are those people burning down their towns and rioting. Being poor and a scumbag are not the same thing. Plus, they can grow their own food and subsist. Also the JOBS got shipped away, which you obviously never considered. Are you a Walmart shopper? Have you been buying American? Did you protest jobs being shipped to Asia? Did you vote for people who advanced shipping those jobs away over the past 40 years?

The solution in my eyes is to go back to a tax system like the one the US had during or just before Ronald Reagan, where the top tax bracket was between 50 and 70%. Raise taxes dramatically on people who earn large incomes, and lower taxes for everyone else. Put money back in the pockets of people who actually need it, and make the super wealthy pitch in more to the system that has allowed them to stockpile their wealth. A wealth tax is also something I could get behind on wealth above like $10 million (not a low threshold). 

Another terrible idea. Effective corporate tax rates are even less in China, you don't address the job losses to them, and want to raise taxes here? Why? To fund states and cities that can make a business decision to not defend your business or private property while promising to serve and protect? You through ignorance want to continue the trend that has destroyed this country. I am done paying more to get less while people like you act like locusts. The bankers are innocent in your world.

In all seriousness, with where the economy is heading and how fast its heading their with Artificial Intelligence, I think Andrew Yang's idea of guaranteed universal basic income is something to look at. In 10 years a ton of industries that employ huge numbers of people will be gone. Trucking, food service, taxis, bus drivers, etc. It'll all be taken over, or at least dominated by Artificial Intelligence.

Your knowledge of geo-politics and global economics is piss poor. The United States will soon be backing out of Bretton Woods agreement which guarantee free trade at the cost of American lives, jobs, and businesses. When that happens, and access to the US dollar recedes, these countries will have to fight and bleed to secure energy, resources, goods, and ship the same. Without the US dollar, they will enter into even greater conflict regionally as exchange rates will be volatile. The world is on the verge of life with less American security forces providing for their welfare and will, as a result, destabilize, and deindustrialize substantially most continents. This is predicted by the Rand Corporation and Stratfor. Their analysis is spot on. North America as a Continent will re-industrialize with superior technology and hire its own citizens. Mexico will be a big beneficiary and so will states tied in through the heartland via the Mississippi river system. We can provide for our own energy needs without the Middle East when the time comes, and that time is coming. The Space Force will secure lunar energy capture because the lunar surface has abundant Helium 3. We have fusion technology that includes electrical power generation and space propulsion, with He3 being the lynchpin. The economy will change radically, but there will be millions of jobs despite robotics and machine learning innovations. The digital banking system will be remade sooner than later, but I will save that for another time.

Technology is obviously taking over the world, and I think within 10, maybe 15 years many of the jobs Americans depend on now will be almost entirely gone and the work force won't have the necessary education to find new things to do in the economy we'll have then. 

Totally false and based on propaganda from international banking and corporate elites that were betting on China and the belt and road initiative to supersede the US hegemony. I am betting my life that will not happen. Digital support for innovations in homeschooling are on the horizon. Prices will be falling.

And no, I don't support cheap goods. Over the last few years my wife and I support brands we like, who manufacture domestically or actively try to reduce their carbon footprint. That's our choice to support small businesses with those characteristics, and it often comes at a greater cost but we're willing to pay it. 

God bless you for that, and don't ever stop. We WILL get through this and we will empower each other the way the American Dream should have already been. I have total faith in that. Liberty or Death. Stay safe. Time to eat. Peace.

[Dante]

11 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

You seriously think anarchists care about racism?  This has had ***** all to do with racism. 

I don't think they are anarchists either. To me, an anarchist is more someone living off the grid. Like a homesteader. Someone refusing to be a tax donkey or interest payment slave to the banks. These mobs are a combo of useful idiot idealists and hard core modern day bolsheviks. This is rebellion powered by communism.

[4merper4mer]

8 hours ago, Margarita said:

 

 

you're going to ask me a question like that and not explain why? Why do I possibly know you? LOL Shirley that cant be it..could it? LOL

I went nighty night

 

On the Shirley thing:

1. You posted something absurd

2. I replied "Shirley"

3. You replied "?"

4. I replied "you can't be serious" intending for my two replies to be combined into " Shirley you can't be serious"

5. You seemed to not understand but I thought you were trolling so I gave you credit by saying "two Sheas"

 

On the San Diego thing I was just nervous for my friend @Joe in Winslow but I might be a bit paranoid.  I can't get into detail just in case.

[bilzfancy]

For most of my 68 years I was a democrat but I didn't leave the party, the party left me. I'm now a proud conservative independent

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

 

On the San Diego thing I was just nervous for my friend @Joe in Winslow but I might be a bit paranoid.  I can't get into detail just in case.

 

If she truly is what you say she is, I think she'll be ok.

[Dante]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

OIC! Soros and company hiring them to riot, loot and pillage is a way of bringing down the unemployment numbers cause by the Wuhan virus.

That is some hot take there!
 

Have you hears about the random skids of bricks conveiniately placed around the country for rioters to access? Think Soros funded that?

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Where did you learn yours? Just curious.

 

Or are you one of those "enlightened" souls that loves to look down on everyone else as having no ability for insight, introspection, thoughtful consideration, etc.?

So, you are trying to paper over the president's racism by saying, "Well, everyone does it!" 

Right? 

[BillStime]

Yup

 

 

[ComradeKayAdams]

I’ve been reading many pages of this thread with a deep sense of sadness over what’s happening to our country. A lot of good points are being made, but I wanted to add another perspective here that hasn’t been mentioned: the leadership void within the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. Specifically Bernie Sanders, who is still the de facto leader of the movement. The youth and various left-leaning movements like antifa and possibly BLM are predominantly instigating the rioting, the looting, and the violence. In this way, Bernie may have a larger influence on controlling the direction of the unrest than any other politician right now, including Trump and Biden. What I would like Sanders to do is to publicly praise all of the PEACEFUL protesting in honor of George Floyd while simultaneously condemning parts of the left for their destructive behavior. Additionally, I’d like Bernie to call for new national legislation in the following 5 areas: police conduct reform, mandatory oversight of law enforcement institutions from neutral third parties, increased mental health services for police officers, an end to the war on drugs (or at least marijuana) that disproportionately hampers blacks, and broad changes to the pipeline that connects our interventionist foreign policy and the increasing militarization of our domestic police force.

 

An aside on antifa: I ran into a few of these folks during my 2016+2020 Bernie campaign volunteering efforts (and also during some of my animal rights activism activities). Or at least I think I did, judging by their clothes, tattoos, and conversations. They were not very helpful, to put it mildly, when it came to canvassing. They didn’t come across as interested in the political process very much. Violence and delegitimizing American institutions are known to be their primary focus. There is no uniform political philosophy that they subscribe to, beyond anything that is “anti-fascist.” Most are either communists, hard socialists, anarchists, or short-term social democrats with long-term goals of pushing the country beyond capitalism. I suppose that would be a unifying political philosophy of theirs if they actually have one: anti-capitalism. They are politically to the extreme left and much further left than Bernie’s platform of mainstream European-style social democracy. I don’t personally know much at all about their organizational structure, though I do hear rumors from sources close to the scene that they are well-connected at the local level and have contact with other local cells around the country. It is not a top-down organization, but I would not be surprised at all to later learn they were being funded by higher-up Soros types and that they had been nationally coordinating for these riots all along.  

 

So here is my message for my left-leaning friends on this message board: it’s well past time for some deep self-reflection and impositions of quality control on our political side. Are we advancing public policy? Are we helping to defeat Donald Trump by persuading independents and energizing the base? Are we changing the hearts and minds of those that fuel American institutional racism? “No,” “no,” and “no” would be my answers at this very moment. How can we change course? Well for starters, let’s start acting rationally again. Emphatically call out the looting and the rioting. Castigate antifa. Stop suspecting Russia for everything. Stop fixating on the random annoying minutiae of Trump’s speeches or behavior and start focusing on the deeper issues that plague the country. I’d also stop apologizing for Biden’s shortcomings and demand he step up to the plate as a leader during these recent crises (or step aside at the convention).

 

That’s all I have to say on this subject for now. I think I need a small break from news and politics. I originally figured this type of violence and senseless destruction could erupt around the Democratic convention if Bernie lost or following the November election if Trump won. But with the pandemic quarantine restlessness, deep economic anxieties from the pandemic fallout and from failed neoliberal policies, the rising pre-summer heat, and of course George Floyd’s murder…here we are. It may likely get much worse, too, before things eventually get much better. Please stay safe, everyone.

[Keukasmallies]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

Pocket change, child

 

Now there's an incisive response to a direct simple question.  

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

Well, I am glad to see you admit that Democrats don't exists.  They may call themself that, but they are violent marxists now.  They should just call themselves the Bolshevik Party at this point.  

Bolsheviks did not believe in voting rights, Democrats are fighting hard to expand democracy. It's really coming down to you either support Trump, or you support democracy. 

 

Trump now threatening martial laws as he tries to enflame the situation. 

[4merper4mer]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

If she truly is what you say she is, I think she'll be ok.

I don't think it is her but if it is I'm worried about you being ok.  It's probably a coincidence that a woman from SD with a red head for an Avatar showed up on this board after all that stuff almost happened to you.  Probably.

[SectionC3]

10 hours ago, dubs said:

nope. You are a !@#$ disgrace and a clown. Only a diseased human could see what’s going on and only think about the president. Get a life. 

Who said I think only about the president?  Actually I don’t think about him all that much.  Most of my time for free thought is dedicated to protestors who are rightfully angry, the overwhelming majority of law enforcement who are good people and who do their impossible jobs for the right reasons, and the sadness I feel that our nation is so rawly divided.  Only then do I think about our loser president and his failure to even attempt to address this situation. 

52 minutes ago, Wacka said:

I like how the libtards ignore   WV Senator Robert Byrd, who WAS a member of the KKK. He and Gore's father led the fight against the  1963 Civil Rights bill. which was assed because of the Republican support. Oh I forgot Slick Willy's mentor.

 

Robert Byrd was a scumbag.  He’s the democratic version of Mitch McConnell.  Both bad dudes. 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So, you are trying to paper over the president's racism by saying, "Well, everyone does it!" 

Right? 

 

No. What I am saying is that people like you tend to look down on the rest of society from a lofty place of self-perceived intellectual and moral superiority.

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bolsheviks did not believe in voting rights, Democrats are fighting hard to expand democracy. It's really coming down to you either support Trump, or you support democracy. 

 

Trump now threatening martial laws as he tries to enflame the situation. 

 

I hate to say it, but that’s where we’re headed.  I don’t care if someone votes Democrat or Republican or something else.  I do care if they vote for Trump.  He is a disgrace to democracy. 

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

I’ve been reading many pages of this thread with a deep sense of sadness over what’s happening to our country. A lot of good points are being made, but I wanted to add another perspective here that hasn’t been mentioned: the leadership void within the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. Specifically Bernie Sanders, who is still the de facto leader of the movement. The youth and various left-leaning movements like antifa and possibly BLM are predominantly instigating the rioting, the looting, and the violence. In this way, Bernie may have a larger influence on controlling the direction of the unrest than any other politician right now, including Trump and Biden. What I would like Sanders to do is to publicly praise all of the PEACEFUL protesting in honor of George Floyd while simultaneously condemning parts of the left for their destructive behavior. Additionally, I’d like Bernie to call for new national legislation in the following 5 areas: police conduct reform, mandatory oversight of law enforcement institutions from neutral third parties, increased mental health services for police officers, an end to the war on drugs (or at least marijuana) that disproportionately hampers blacks, and broad changes to the pipeline that connects our interventionist foreign policy and the increasing militarization of our domestic police force.

 

An aside on antifa: I ran into a few of these folks during my 2016+2020 Bernie campaign volunteering efforts (and also during some of my animal rights activism activities). Or at least I think I did, judging by their clothes, tattoos, and conversations. They were not very helpful, to put it mildly, when it came to canvassing. They didn’t come across as interested in the political process very much. Violence and delegitimizing American institutions are known to be their primary focus. There is no uniform political philosophy that they subscribe to, beyond anything that is “anti-fascist.” Most are either communists, hard socialists, anarchists, or short-term social democrats with long-term goals of pushing the country beyond capitalism. I suppose that would be a unifying political philosophy of theirs if they actually have one: anti-capitalism. They are politically to the extreme left and much further left than Bernie’s platform of mainstream European-style social democracy. I don’t personally know much at all about their organizational structure, though I do hear rumors from sources close to the scene that they are well-connected at the local level and have contact with other local cells around the country. It is not a top-down organization, but I would not be surprised at all to later learn they were being funded by higher-up Soros types and that they had been nationally coordinating for these riots all along.  

 

So here is my message for my left-leaning friends on this message board: it’s well past time for some deep self-reflection and impositions of quality control on our political side. Are we advancing public policy? Are we helping to defeat Donald Trump by persuading independents and energizing the base? Are we changing the hearts and minds of those that fuel American institutional racism? “No,” “no,” and “no” would be my answers at this very moment. How can we change course? Well for starters, let’s start acting rationally again. Emphatically call out the looting and the rioting. Castigate antifa. Stop suspecting Russia for everything. Stop fixating on the random annoying minutiae of Trump’s speeches or behavior and start focusing on the deeper issues that plague the country. I’d also stop apologizing for Biden’s shortcomings and demand he step up to the plate as a leader during these recent crises (or step aside at the convention).

 

That’s all I have to say on this subject for now. I think I need a small break from news and politics. I originally figured this type of violence and senseless destruction could erupt around the Democratic convention if Bernie lost or following the November election if Trump won. But with the pandemic quarantine restlessness, deep economic anxieties from the pandemic fallout and from failed neoliberal policies, the rising pre-summer heat, and of course George Floyd’s murder…here we are. It may likely get much worse, too, before things eventually get much better. Please stay safe, everyone.

 

It's an intentional leadership void from the left.  They neither want to alienate their base, considering there's an important election coming up, nor do they want to turn the violence on themselves.

[Wacka]

Yesterday's phrase that pays was "He's in the bunker"

Todays is "He's a racist." 

what's tomorrow's?

 

You can tell the Soros puppets, They all utter the same phrase after they get their  marching orders at 9 AM.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Wacka

[dubs]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bolsheviks did not believe in voting rights, Democrats are fighting hard to expand democracy. It's really coming down to you either support Trump, or you support democracy. 

 

Trump now threatening martial laws as he tries to enflame the situation. 

 

You are a bozo of epic proportions.  You are also a Bolshevik.  Deal with it.

 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

 

You are a bozo of epic proportions.  You are also a Bolshevik.  Deal with it.

 

 

 

Hoax. 

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's an intentional leadership void from the left.  They neither want to alienate their base, considering there's an important election coming up, nor do they want to turn the violence on themselves.

 

Yeah sure that’s it.  The nation is burning and the guy in the Oval Office twiddles his thumbs.  But the left is the only side that is failing us.  Whatevs. 

[B-Man]

 

After watching Democrat governors flail, President Trump steps in to quell the riots

by Andrea Widburg

 

Original Article

 

Before Monday, President Trump kept a low profile regarding the riots. He wasn’t invisible; he just wasn’t putting himself front and center. That changed dramatically on Monday. Trump scolded governors who allowed rioters to gain control in their states, announced that he would be mobilizing “all available federal resources” to end the riots in Democrat-run cities, and took a historic walk across the street from the White House (which inflamed the Trump haters). 

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's an intentional leadership void from the left.  They neither want to alienate their base, considering there's an important election coming up, nor do they want to turn the violence on themselves.

 

This is exactly right. They literally will let businesses be destroyed, people be injured and killed, and cities burn than to act in any way that would be percived as politically disadvantageous for them.