NJ.com: Chip Kelly has lost team, might not be back

[Punching Bag]

This scenario often results when geniuses are forced to try to operate in an environment with people who are not geniuses. So it's hard to blame Chip.

So getting rid of McCoy was not racism/starism but attempt to raise average IQ of team? I got it.

[BADOLBILZ]

The U. Very interesting.

 

Bring it on!

 

The reality of the resources the U will put into the football program is that it pales in comparison to what the football factories like Bama/Texas/FSU can.

 

So a guy like Chip Kelly is very unlikely to end up at the U.

 

If he did......you'd know that he just plain wants to win.

 

The right coaches can string national championships together at the U.....because the HS talent within an hours drive of the U is surreal......but they won't get paid and the U will not build them new facilities or a new stadium.

 

May seem hard to believe but for coaches winning national championships is second to getting paid.

[It's in My Blood]

It looks like the boy genius Chip Kelly got his first failing grade and instead of accepting responsibility, maybe adopting a little humility, he intends run from the challenge and cut all the black players, probably.

The two attempts at pushing your agenda have failed.

[truth on hold]

Hope so. We still play them. Right now we're o & 1 against NFC East

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

The two attempts at pushing your agenda have failed.

Curious which agenda is that

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I think you guys are missing an obvious option for him...Tennessee Titans with his boy, Mariota. Hell he's probably so interested in making the move to coach Mariota that it wouldnt surprise me if he is spreading these rumors that he has lost the team himself. It looks a lot better for him if he gets fired and then goes to Tennessee than if he pulls a Marrone to get there.

 

 

This is a really good point

 

 

 

 

CBF

[Just in Atlanta]

His biggest arrogance is that he feels his masterful schemes win the day and not star players.

[machine gun kelly]

This is a surprise how? It's always a problem when a leader thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and goes against conventional wisdom of what works. He's reaping the benefits of running out of town McCoy, D. Jackson, and two mediocre drafts.

 

He's meant for college. He needs to stay where he can be effective. This is why I don't like hiring college coaches. It's a different game. Outside of Jimmy Johnson, how many other guys made the transition well? Spurrier, Saban, etc.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

This is a surprise how? It's always a problem when a leader thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and goes against conventional wisdom of what works. He's reaping the benefits of running out of town McCoy, D. Jackson, and two mediocre drafts.

 

He's meant for college. He needs to stay where he can be effective. This is why I don't like hiring college coaches. It's a different game. Outside of Jimmy Johnson, how many other guys made the transition well? Spurrier, Saban, etc.

 

Pete Carrol

 

 

Well, the second time around

 

 

 

CBF

[YoloinOhio]

This is a surprise how? It's always a problem when a leader thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and goes against conventional wisdom of what works. He's reaping the benefits of running out of town McCoy, D. Jackson, and two mediocre drafts.

 

He's meant for college. He needs to stay where he can be effective. This is why I don't like hiring college coaches. It's a different game. Outside of Jimmy Johnson, how many other guys made the transition well? Spurrier, Saban, etc.

Harbaugh... Until that blew up

 

And Marrone, obviously

Edited November 26, 2015 by YoloinOhio

[MattM]

What will Peter King write about now? Poor Peter loved Chip so much that he was literally running a weekly "Chip Kelly is the smartest man (other than my other mancrush Billy B.) in the NFL" piece in MMQB calked something like "the Chip Kelly Quote of the Week".....,

[Doc]

Yup, no surprise. Usually when a coach demands and/or gets GM duties, it doesn't end well.

[jester43]

 

I didn't remember he actually interviewed.

 

I do remember a lot of fans wanted him to be the next Bills coach. But thought the organization was too cheap to present him with a serious offer.

 

For a while, people wondered who would be the better HC - Kelly or the guy we landed instead, Doug Marrone? Seems funny in retrospect.

my memory of this is that he turned down the interview altogether. right?

[YoloinOhio]

my memory of this is that he turned down the interview altogether. right?

i thought he met with them, but it was like a 15 minute deal

[Big Gun]

His biggest arrogance is that he feels his masterful schemes win the day and not star players.

Yep, he thinks his schemes that work in college will work in the pros.

 

For someone who obviously thinks he is the smartest guy in the room he could not figure out that the difference from a college defense with 3, 4 or maybe 5 NFL caliber players was vastly inferior to an even bad NFL defense with 11 NFL caliber players and NFL caliber coaches.

 

I haven't seen a lot of Eagles games but I do check the TOP and his team seems to only average about 20-25 minutes of possession, can't do that in the NFL as his defense will wear down. It's up to him to adjust and he seems either incapable or is just ignorant and won't. So glad he is not in Buffalo.

[jester43]

It is amazing to me how many successful college coaches don't understand that their "genius" is largely INSTITUTIONAL.

 

I coach college athletics for a living. There are haves and have nots in every sport and every level. In my game, the perennial top NCAA teams are almost all (a) big state universities or (b) ELITE academic schools. If you are not one of those you'll have a hard time placing in the top 10-15 at NCAAs. It can be done, but it's harder. Mine is not either, but we hang in there. There are a few schools that I'd love to have a crack at coaching, because I know the talent in my pool of prospects would increase dramatically.

 

BUT, there are MANY MANY more where it would decrease (for reasons I won't bother with here), and I'd have very little chance to match the level of success we're accustomed to. So most people would consider my school to be on of the "haves" at my sport and level.

 

So when we do well, am I good, or just lucky? Well, I'd rather be lucky than good anyway, so I'll just say I'm happy I have a job I love.

 

Things that vary widely that affect your ceiling as a college program are not only facilities and financial resources, but location, tradition, what majors are on offer and the general academic prestige of the school. Cost is a huge one for the overwhelming majority of NCAA athletes who receive little or no athletic scholarship money.

 

Obviously the factors that influence the ceiling in big time college football are different than for other sports/levels. My point is that a coach who lands in a spot that already has it's institutional <ahem> ducks in a row, can look like a SUPER GENIUS, when in fact they're just another good coach at a school who's trying harder to win. Coaching matters, obviously, but there are more competent coaches than there are high-potential programs for them all.

 

Getting the head job at The University Of Nike is 80% of Kelly's genius. The other 20% was his own innovation and creativity, which he deserves credit for, of course.

 

But for some reason, a lot of successful college coaches (all sports and levels) don't seem to have the self-awareness to realize that their own super genius was not the biggest reason they excelled.

 

In college football, they get to the NFL where the playing field is MUCH more even and it's a different story. Kelly's moves seem to indicate he thinks he knows something no one else knows...which can only be called arrogant.

 

Chip Kelly is a very talented coach and if he chooses to stay in the NFL (in a quality organization with a competent QB, of course) he'll do well. But it looks like he needs to eat some humble pie.

 

One reason I love Rex is that when he makes a mistake, he stands up in front of the worlds and admits it. One thing I've learned being a coach is that you're better off when you're honest with yourself and others about your mistakes.

 

Kelly is sharp enough that if he can become good at this he can be an excellent NFL coach. Even in Philly.

 

I do love it when the Eagles suck, though. So I'm in no hurry for the light bulb to go on!

Edited November 26, 2015 by jester43

[starrymessenger]

It is amazing to me how many successful college coaches don't understand that their "genius" is largely INSTITUTIONAL.

 

I coach college athletics for a living. There are haves and have nots in every sport and every level. In my game, the perennial top NCAA teams are almost all (a) big state universities or (b) ELITE academic schools. If you are not one of those you'll have a hard time placing in the top 10-15 at NCAAs. It can be done, but it's harder. Mine is not either, but we hang in there. There are a few schools that I'd love to have a crack at coaching, because I know the talent in my pool of prospects would increase dramatically.

 

BUT, there are MANY MANY more where it would decrease (for reasons I won't bother with here), and I'd have very little chance to match the level of success we're accustomed to. So most people would consider my school to be on of the "haves" at my sport and level.

 

So when we do well, am I good, or just lucky? Well, I'd rather be lucky than good anyway, so I'll just say I'm happy I have a job I love.

 

Things that vary widely that affect your ceiling as a college program are not only facilities and financial resources, but location, tradition, what majors are on offer and the general academic prestige of the school. Cost is a huge one for the overwhelming majority of NCAA athletes who receive little or no athletic scholarship money.

 

Obviously the factors that influence the ceiling in big time college football are different than for other sports/levels. My point is that a coach who lands in a spot that already has it's institutional <ahem> ducks in a row, can look like a SUPER GENIUS, when in fact they're just another good coach at a school who's trying harder to win. Coaching matters, obviously, but there are more competent coaches than there are high-potential programs for them all.

 

Getting the head job at The University Of Nike is 80% of Kelly's genius. The other 20% was his own innovation and creativity, which he deserves credit for, of course.

 

But for some reason, a lot of successful college coaches (all sports and levels) don't seem to have the self-awareness to realize that their own super genius was not the biggest reason they excelled.

 

In college football, they get to the NFL where the playing field is MUCH more even and it's a different story. Kelly's moves seem to indicate he thinks he knows something no one else knows...which can only be called arrogant.

 

Chip Kelly is a very talented coach and if he chooses to stay in the NFL (in a quality organization with a competent QB, of course) he'll do well. But it looks like he needs to eat some humble pie.

 

One reason I love Rex is that when he makes a mistake, he stands up in front of the worlds and admits it. One thing I've learned being a coach is that you're better off when you're honest with yourself and others about your mistakes.

 

Kelly is sharp enough that if he can become good at this he can be an excellent NFL coach. Even in Philly.

 

I do love it when the Eagles suck, though. So I'm in no hurry for the light bulb to go on!

Great post. Thanks.

[TheFunPolice]

Let's hope that by the time we play them he already has his office packed and Eagles players are barely speaking to each other. Also, let's hope Sanchize is the QB.

[26CornerBlitz]

@AroundTheNFL

College ranks biggest threat to lure Chip Kelly from Philly, per @RapSheet http://at.nfl.com/rqLiS3i

[MDH]

@AroundTheNFL

College ranks biggest threat to lure Chip Kelly from Philly, per @RapSheet http://at.nfl.com/rqLiS3i

 

If true, what a nightmare for Philly. They allow him to gut the roster to bring in his "type of guys" and then he bolts leaving the roster unfit for most other types of systems. Ouch.

[apuszczalowski]

the obvious next stop for Chip is the NHL.

who knows, apparently when the news broke that Anthopolous, the former GM of the Toronto Blue Jays he received a call from the Phoenix Coyotes about possibly working in their front office

[Canadian Bills Fan]

who knows, apparently when the news broke that Anthopolous, the former GM of the Toronto Blue Jays he received a call from the Phoenix Coyotes about possibly working in their front office

 

 

Ya we are all scratching our heads about that one up here

 

 

 

 

CBF

[billsfan_34]

He is done- man has he destroyed that team. One of the most arrogant coaches I have ever seen.

[Kelly the Dog]

He is done- man has he destroyed that team. One of the most arrogant coaches I have ever seen.

He's racist against good players.

[KDIGGZ]

I don't feel bad for Chip. If he acts fast he can get the LSU job making more money and have the best RB in college football

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I wonder if he quits so he doesnt get fired

 

 

 

 

CBF

[billsfan_34]

I wonder if he quits so he doesnt get fired

 

 

Probably wouldnt get his money

 

CBF

He's racist against good players.

Lol it does appear that way doesnt it? And what a dumb trade- McCoy for Kiko- and his dumb personnel moves list is long. Tomorrow hes gone!

[zevo]

I think he made some questionable personel decisions....but I feel bad for any coach when the players quit. He hasnt had the qb for his scheme. should have given up the farm for Mariotta.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Hang in there for 3 more weeks Chip!

 

 

 

CBF

[Kelly the Dog]

http://i.imgur.com/Qkvlp2G.gif

Seen on Eagles message board.

With caption "Eagles offense be like..."

[truth on hold]

http://i.imgur.com/Qkvlp2G.gif

Seen on Eagles message board.

With caption "Eagles offense be like..."

He quit on his owmer

[Kelly the Dog]

He quit on his owmer

The guy put up a little more fight and effort than the Eagles.

[truth on hold]

Even if they lose out from there I still think chip gets another year. Too much guarantee to fire him, and he'll make the case with the high draft order he can finally build the roster he wants

[3rdand12]

Even if they lose out from there I still think chip gets another year. Too much guarantee to fire him, and he'll make the case with the high draft order he can finally build the roster he wants

I think he wants out of Philly about now! Team has quit on him it seems.

It is amazing to me how many successful college coaches don't understand that their "genius" is largely INSTITUTIONAL.

 

I coach college athletics for a living. There are haves and have nots in every sport and every level. In my game, the perennial top NCAA teams are almost all (a) big state universities or (b) ELITE academic schools. If you are not one of those you'll have a hard time placing in the top 10-15 at NCAAs. It can be done, but it's harder. Mine is not either, but we hang in there. There are a few schools that I'd love to have a crack at coaching, because I know the talent in my pool of prospects would increase dramatically.

 

BUT, there are MANY MANY more where it would decrease (for reasons I won't bother with here), and I'd have very little chance to match the level of success we're accustomed to. So most people would consider my school to be on of the "haves" at my sport and level.

 

So when we do well, am I good, or just lucky? Well, I'd rather be lucky than good anyway, so I'll just say I'm happy I have a job I love.

 

Things that vary widely that affect your ceiling as a college program are not only facilities and financial resources, but location, tradition, what majors are on offer and the general academic prestige of the school. Cost is a huge one for the overwhelming majority of NCAA athletes who receive little or no athletic scholarship money.

 

Obviously the factors that influence the ceiling in big time college football are different than for other sports/levels. My point is that a coach who lands in a spot that already has it's institutional <ahem> ducks in a row, can look like a SUPER GENIUS, when in fact they're just another good coach at a school who's trying harder to win. Coaching matters, obviously, but there are more competent coaches than there are high-potential programs for them all.

 

Getting the head job at The University Of Nike is 80% of Kelly's genius. The other 20% was his own innovation and creativity, which he deserves credit for, of course.

 

But for some reason, a lot of successful college coaches (all sports and levels) don't seem to have the self-awareness to realize that their own super genius was not the biggest reason they excelled.

 

In college football, they get to the NFL where the playing field is MUCH more even and it's a different story. Kelly's moves seem to indicate he thinks he knows something no one else knows...which can only be called arrogant.

 

Chip Kelly is a very talented coach and if he chooses to stay in the NFL (in a quality organization with a competent QB, of course) he'll do well. But it looks like he needs to eat some humble pie.

 

One reason I love Rex is that when he makes a mistake, he stands up in front of the worlds and admits it. One thing I've learned being a coach is that you're better off when you're honest with yourself and others about your mistakes.

 

Kelly is sharp enough that if he can become good at this he can be an excellent NFL coach. Even in Philly.

 

I do love it when the Eagles suck, though. So I'm in no hurry for the light bulb to go on!

Very good and insightful post. I learned somethings too. I dont follow much sports besides Buffalo Bills.

Your description makes sense to me.

Thanks!

[John from Riverside]

Is the eagles one of those games we are supposed to lose?

[3rdand12]

Is the eagles one of those games we are supposed to lose?

Was going to be a hard fought battle that could go either way. If i recall.

 

I still think so.

[l< j]

It is amazing to me how many successful college coaches don't understand that their "genius" is largely INSTITUTIONAL.

 

I coach college athletics for a living. There are haves and have nots in every sport and every level. In my game, the perennial top NCAA teams are almost all (a) big state universities or (b) ELITE academic schools. If you are not one of those you'll have a hard time placing in the top 10-15 at NCAAs. It can be done, but it's harder. Mine is not either, but we hang in there. There are a few schools that I'd love to have a crack at coaching, because I know the talent in my pool of prospects would increase dramatically.

 

BUT, there are MANY MANY more where it would decrease (for reasons I won't bother with here), and I'd have very little chance to match the level of success we're accustomed to. So most people would consider my school to be on of the "haves" at my sport and level.

 

So when we do well, am I good, or just lucky? Well, I'd rather be lucky than good anyway, so I'll just say I'm happy I have a job I love.

 

Things that vary widely that affect your ceiling as a college program are not only facilities and financial resources, but location, tradition, what majors are on offer and the general academic prestige of the school. Cost is a huge one for the overwhelming majority of NCAA athletes who receive little or no athletic scholarship money.

 

Obviously the factors that influence the ceiling in big time college football are different than for other sports/levels. My point is that a coach who lands in a spot that already has it's institutional <ahem> ducks in a row, can look like a SUPER GENIUS, when in fact they're just another good coach at a school who's trying harder to win. Coaching matters, obviously, but there are more competent coaches than there are high-potential programs for them all.

 

Getting the head job at The University Of Nike is 80% of Kelly's genius. The other 20% was his own innovation and creativity, which he deserves credit for, of course.

 

But for some reason, a lot of successful college coaches (all sports and levels) don't seem to have the self-awareness to realize that their own super genius was not the biggest reason they excelled.

 

In college football, they get to the NFL where the playing field is MUCH more even and it's a different story. Kelly's moves seem to indicate he thinks he knows something no one else knows...which can only be called arrogant.

 

Chip Kelly is a very talented coach and if he chooses to stay in the NFL (in a quality organization with a competent QB, of course) he'll do well. But it looks like he needs to eat some humble pie.

 

One reason I love Rex is that when he makes a mistake, he stands up in front of the worlds and admits it. One thing I've learned being a coach is that you're better off when you're honest with yourself and others about your mistakes.

 

Kelly is sharp enough that if he can become good at this he can be an excellent NFL coach. Even in Philly.

 

I do love it when the Eagles suck, though. So I'm in no hurry for the light bulb to go on!

Probably the most insightful thing I've read in however many years on this site.

 

kj

[Dr. Fong]

Is the eagles one of those games we are supposed to lose?

Yeah. Won't it suck when we lose and it becomes our Oakland game from last year?

[DrDawkinstein]

Man, if there was ever immediate confirmation for an anonymous leak about a coach losing a team, today was it! That Eagles team reminded me of the Dolphins team we faced early in the season. Defenders out there jogging, watching guys run by, not even caring. They are done. Hopefully it stays that way for a few more weeks so we get a chance to cash in.

 

As far as his next job, I think USC is the best and most obvious landing spot. Coaches typically like to stay in-conference. Miami, Texas, and LSU dont seem like good fits for his style. Maybe Miami, but I dont see him in that area or that program affording him. LSU, they are hungry for an offensive coach that can develop a QB, but he wont want to play SEC defenses all the tim. He'll go back to the Pac-12 and the West Coast where he still has a lot of recruiting leads. IMO.

[BarleyNY]

It is amazing to me how many successful college coaches don't understand that their "genius" is largely INSTITUTIONAL.

 

I coach college athletics for a living. There are haves and have nots in every sport and every level. In my game, the perennial top NCAA teams are almost all (a) big state universities or (b) ELITE academic schools. If you are not one of those you'll have a hard time placing in the top 10-15 at NCAAs. It can be done, but it's harder. Mine is not either, but we hang in there. There are a few schools that I'd love to have a crack at coaching, because I know the talent in my pool of prospects would increase dramatically.

 

BUT, there are MANY MANY more where it would decrease (for reasons I won't bother with here), and I'd have very little chance to match the level of success we're accustomed to. So most people would consider my school to be on of the "haves" at my sport and level.

 

So when we do well, am I good, or just lucky? Well, I'd rather be lucky than good anyway, so I'll just say I'm happy I have a job I love.

 

Things that vary widely that affect your ceiling as a college program are not only facilities and financial resources, but location, tradition, what majors are on offer and the general academic prestige of the school. Cost is a huge one for the overwhelming majority of NCAA athletes who receive little or no athletic scholarship money.

 

Obviously the factors that influence the ceiling in big time college football are different than for other sports/levels. My point is that a coach who lands in a spot that already has it's institutional <ahem> ducks in a row, can look like a SUPER GENIUS, when in fact they're just another good coach at a school who's trying harder to win. Coaching matters, obviously, but there are more competent coaches than there are high-potential programs for them all.

 

Getting the head job at The University Of Nike is 80% of Kelly's genius. The other 20% was his own innovation and creativity, which he deserves credit for, of course.

 

But for some reason, a lot of successful college coaches (all sports and levels) don't seem to have the self-awareness to realize that their own super genius was not the biggest reason they excelled.

 

In college football, they get to the NFL where the playing field is MUCH more even and it's a different story. Kelly's moves seem to indicate he thinks he knows something no one else knows...which can only be called arrogant.

 

Chip Kelly is a very talented coach and if he chooses to stay in the NFL (in a quality organization with a competent QB, of course) he'll do well. But it looks like he needs to eat some humble pie.

 

One reason I love Rex is that when he makes a mistake, he stands up in front of the worlds and admits it. One thing I've learned being a coach is that you're better off when you're honest with yourself and others about your mistakes.

 

Kelly is sharp enough that if he can become good at this he can be an excellent NFL coach. Even in Philly.

 

I do love it when the Eagles suck, though. So I'm in no hurry for the light bulb to go on!

Thanks for posting. It's always nice to hear from someone with experience and insight.