YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 @caplannfl: LB Jadaveon Clowney placed on active/PUP list by #Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Has any team have more bad luck with #1 overall picks than the Texans? (Yes, I know, the Bills.) Edited July 27, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Well so much for the remarkable recovery that he was making. Look, I can understand going in on the guy because there was so much talent but man has it not paid off so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 He could still live up to his draft spot but his injury issues are worrisome. They probably wish they took a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 should have put him on B U S T list amirite?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Isn't the surgery he had basically a career ender for athletes? I may be mistaken but the explosiveness doesn't come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 This guy isn't a bust. Sammy is, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I heard he was also put on the MUP list. (Mentally Unable to Perform) 100% Bust Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This guy isn't a bust. Sammy is, though. I know plus we traded 2 picks and didn't get one in return. Plus we could have traded one of those other picks for 2 more picks so we essentially traded 4 picks for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This guy isn't a bust. Sammy is, though. Has one human being on planet earth called Sammy Watkins a bust ever? I heard he was also put on the MUP list. (Mentally Unable to Perform) 100% Bust Imo The guy looked like a complete beast when he was in there last year. My interpretation of a bust is a player who can't hack it, not someone who falls victim to unfortunate injuries. Give the guy a minute, would ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Really sucks for the kid. I only know him from the highlights but he seemed like another Bruce in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Isn't the surgery he had basically a career ender for athletes? I may be mistaken but the explosiveness doesn't come back. Revis just revealed this week or maybe last that he actually had microfracture surgery on his knee as well when he was out. He said he finally felt 100% in like week 6 or 7 LAST SEASON. His injury was in October of 2012. It's a long recovery process and a painful one, but you can come back from it. You are probably more thinking of older athletes and taller athletes (NBA's Greg Oden for example) where it is much more difficult to come back from. Certainly not an easy road, but if he works the rehab the right way, he can come back full speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Isn't the surgery he had basically a career ender for athletes? I may be mistaken but the explosiveness doesn't come back. Yes. Microfracture surgery usually means a player comes back a shadow of his former self. Clowney's entire game is built around his explosiveness off the ball. It's safe to say there is little chance he will return as the domimant player he was before. Damned shame. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I know plus we traded 2 picks and didn't get one in return. Plus we could have traded one of those other picks for 2 more picks so we essentially traded 4 picks for nothing. Ugh, the worst. 4 picks, and all we got was the worst WR taken in the first round, he can't even take a hit without complaining that his ribs are broken. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 that surgery sucks. i had it 8 years ago on my left knee and now it is basically worthless. i was an extremely active athlete person and now if i'm on my feet all day i'm limping. sports are out, other than a little cycling. no more running, no more beer league hockey, no more ultimate frisbee...i have a buddy who plays rugby and i was about to take it up but that is out of the question now. the rehab is pretty miserable (what rehab isn't, i guess). i spent 6 weeks post-surgery on a couch with my leg in a machine that flexes/extends the knee slowly once per minute. 8 to 12 hours a day of that. oh and my wife was pregnant, so i couldn't help her with anything. You can imagine what a pleasant mood everyone was in. It took almost two years for the pain to go away so that i could walk around without pain. i know other people have had better results, but there are a lot of stories like mine. Knowing what it is like for me I really hope that kid is able to pull it together and do what he loves again. honestly some days it hurts so bad i'd have been luckier to have my leg amputated at the knee so i could run on one of those prosthetic legs that look like leaf springs. So, good luck Jadaveon Clowney. I hope you make a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I still think a day will come where he is dominant in the NFL. Just not looking to be next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 BUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Failing because one suffers a debilitating injury does not make one a bust. It's wrong to think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Has one human being on planet earth called Sammy Watkins a bust ever? The guy looked like a complete beast when he was in there last year. My interpretation of a bust is a player who can't hack it, not someone who falls victim to unfortunate injuries. Give the guy a minute, would ya? Nope. poor work ethic. he is going to bust> i agree with Leroi. The way he tried to save himself his last college season has bit his arse hard. and even though its wrong as hell. its been suggested that Sammy might bust> wait was that Marrone? I will eat the crow if J C recovers and shows why he was drafted so high. big risk i thought. stupid texanz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninMyrtleBeach Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He was a beast in college, was looking for him to be very successful in the NFL. It's a damn shame about that injury, probably will slow him down a step. I'm just thankful the Bills don't have to face him healthy.....BAD THINGS MAN BAD THINGS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Microfracture.....sounds like a hell of an oxymoron. The word sounds like nothing but the inyury is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Has one human being on planet earth called Sammy Watkins a bust ever? The guy looked like a complete beast when he was in there last year. My interpretation of a bust is a player who can't hack it, not someone who falls victim to unfortunate injuries. Give the guy a minute, would ya? Holy double standards Batman! So you are patient with a DE but not a qb? How does that make sense? That beast has 7 tackles and 0 sacks in 4 games. Prior to that, he had 3 sacks an entire year in college. Basically, he hasn't made a big impact since he nearly killed that guy in a bowl game a full 2 years ago. I'm the last guy to tell bust after a year. But I do think he got severely overrated and was living off his sophomore year. He had a lot to prove and I hope he gets a chance. But he had a questionable motor ever before the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Has any team have more bad luck with #1 overall picks than the Texans? (Yes, I know, the Bills.) Bills have done pretty well in that dept. with OJ and Bruce. Two of the best ever..........So, Walt Patulski didn't work out that well..... The team that had bad luck for a long time were the Colts. It seemed like they drafted #1 every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imran Q Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I can't believe some folks on here are calling him a Bust. Career ending injuries don't make you a "bust." It's just bad luck. If you still consider that being a Bust then your definition of the word is pretty useless. I feel for the poster who went through this and his experience is not uncommon. Clowney lost articular cartilage off the surface of his knee. Articular cartilage never comes back. The surgery attempts to grow firbrocartilage which is inferior and will last a few years in a best case scenario. I'm actually surprised they didn't try a newer procedure like chondrocyte transplantation in which your own cells are grown ex vivo outside your body and then placed back in. Studies show that 40+% of lay people don't come back to play sports. In the NFL, 30-40% can't make it back and those that do are limited in ability and career longevity. It's worse in the NBA and has prematurely ended the promising careers of Oden, Roy, Bynum and others. I feel very bad for Clowney. I hope he makes it back but the best case is a few productive years. He could come back longer but that would be an exception. I'll be rooting for him. No 20 something deserves to have a promising career yanked from him before he even has a chance to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Well he did have that one good hit on that Michigan rb before he took his final college season off or was manhandled by college lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Refresh my memory - was he hurt his last year of college? How did he only have 3 sacks? Edited July 29, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Refresh my memory - was he hurt his last year of college? How did he only have 3 sacks? Not sure. Watched him get smoked by no name ACC lineman over and over again. YouTube hit made him a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Refresh my memory - was he hurt his last year of college? How did he only have 3 sacks? I don't recall but I thought there were criticisms that he was basically taking his last year off to avoid injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Refresh my memory - was he hurt his last year of college? How did he only have 3 sacks? He had a sports hernia his entire final season at SC. That's pretty tough to play with I would imagine. Not sure. Watched him get smoked by no name ACC lineman over and over again. YouTube hit made him a star. This is patently false. He was a dominant force his sophomore season with 13 sacks and 23 tackles for loss. His size and speed combo was something that had NEVER been seen before. At 6'6 265 he ran a 4.53 40 WITH a sports hernia injury lingering. He was also the #1 player coming out of HS and was performing like it his Freshman and Sophomore seasons. Anyone who follows CFB and NFL Prospects knew of him long before that one hit. Edited July 29, 2015 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He had a sports hernia his entire final season at SC. That's pretty tough to play with I would imagine. This is patently false. He was a dominant force his sophomore season with 13 sacks and 23 tackles for loss. His size and speed combo was something that had NEVER been seen before. He was also the #1 player coming out of HS and was performing like it his Freshman and Sophomore seasons. Anyone who follows CFB and NFL Prospects knew of him long before that one hit. He had a muscle strain and has had his work ethic questioned by Spurrier (shout out to Gilmore!). http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/19/spurrier-on-clowney-amazing-talent-ok-work-ethic/ He is a physical freak. But there has never been a DE with less sacks taken #1 overall in the history of the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) He had a muscle strain and has had his work ethic questioned by Spurrier (shout out to Gilmore!). http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/19/spurrier-on-clowney-amazing-talent-ok-work-ethic/ He is a physical freak. But there has never been a DE with less sacks taken #1 overall in the history of the sport. That article is out of date, that is what he thought he had and he tried to play through it. It was later discovered to be a sports hernia. http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/jadeveon-clowney-sports-hernia-junior-season-south-carolina-062714 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000361948/article/jadeveon-clowney-played-through-hernia-injury-in-13 Yeah but if you just take into account the first two healthy seasons that is not the case. Mario had only 11 sacks in his first 2 college seasons, Clowney had 21. I'm not going to refute any comment on his work ethic though, as I agree it has raised questions all throughout his career. When you are such a dominant physical specimen in HS and even CFB, you may not have to be the hardest working guy to be successful. That changes at the NFL level though. Edited July 29, 2015 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 All I know is if Joey Bosa only has 3 sacks this year I am jumping off a bridge. If a guy is dominant he can get to the QB in college. College OL, even with double teams, shouldn't be able to contain a #1 overall pick talent. That article is out of date, that is what he thought he had and he tried to play through it. It was later discovered to be a sports hernia. http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/jadeveon-clowney-sports-hernia-junior-season-south-carolina-062714 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000361948/article/jadeveon-clowney-played-through-hernia-injury-in-13 if he was truly hurt that's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Holy double standards Batman! So you are patient with a DE but not a qb? How does that make sense? That beast has 7 tackles and 0 sacks in 4 games. Prior to that, he had 3 sacks an entire year in college. Basically, he hasn't made a big impact since he nearly killed that guy in a bowl game a full 2 years ago. I'm the last guy to tell bust after a year. But I do think he got severely overrated and was living off his sophomore year. He had a lot to prove and I hope he gets a chance. But he had a questionable motor ever before the injury. His entire rep was one YouTube video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Well he did have that one good hit on that Michigan rb before he took his final college season off or was manhandled by college lineman. This. He has a monster year, then came back and coasted, which should have been a major red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 That article is out of date, that is what he thought he had and he tried to play through it. It was later discovered to be a sports hernia. http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/jadeveon-clowney-sports-hernia-junior-season-south-carolina-062714 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000361948/article/jadeveon-clowney-played-through-hernia-injury-in-13 Yeah but if you just take into account the first two healthy seasons that is not the case. Mario had only 11 sacks in his first 2 college seasons, Clowney had 21. I'm not going to refute any comment on his work ethic though, as I agree it has raised questions all throughout his career. When you are such a dominant physical specimen in HS and even CFB, you may not have to be the hardest working guy to be successful. That changes at the NFL level though. Agreed. If you can't produce across from Watt, you have no chance in this league. I hope he gets a chance to prove it and injuries aren't the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This could be a huge setback for the Texans. Clowney and Watt could have been a dominant duo. They also made a smart addition in Wilfork at the Nose and they had a good overall team defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I can't believe some folks on here are calling him a Bust. Career ending injuries don't make you a "bust." It's just bad luck. If you still consider that being a Bust then your definition of the word is pretty useless. I feel for the poster who went through this and his experience is not uncommon. Clowney lost articular cartilage off the surface of his knee. Articular cartilage never comes back. The surgery attempts to grow firbrocartilage which is inferior and will last a few years in a best case scenario. I'm actually surprised they didn't try a newer procedure like chondrocyte transplantation in which your own cells are grown ex vivo outside your body and then placed back in. Studies show that 40+% of lay people don't come back to play sports. In the NFL, 30-40% can't make it back and those that do are limited in ability and career longevity. It's worse in the NBA and has prematurely ended the promising careers of Oden, Roy, Bynum and others. I feel very bad for Clowney. I hope he makes it back but the best case is a few productive years. He could come back longer but that would be an exception. I'll be rooting for him. No 20 something deserves to have a promising career yanked from him before he even has a chance to play. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) His entire rep was one YouTube video.again, as has been said, if you dont follow college football, yea. the dude was a physical freak, and was VERY productive in his sophomore year outside that hit. did he potentially coast his junior year? very possible. is that a red flag? definitely. but an nfl team didnt make him the #1 overall pick despite those question marks based on a youtube video of one play. Edited July 29, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 @caplannfl: LB Jadaveon Clowney placed on active/PUP list by #Texans. good job Houston, way to not get a QB with the first pick (slow clapping) again, as has been said, if you dont follow college football, yea. the dude was a physical freak, and was VERY productive in his sophomore year outside that hit. did he potentially coast his junior year? very possible. is that a red flag? definitely. but an nfl team didnt make him the #1 overall pick despite those question marks based on a youtube video of one play. that is exactly what happened, I never saw a guy not try like he did that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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