GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Schwartz had lost the locker room in Detroit at the end. There is no doubt about that. But his work through the first 3 years was very impressive. Is he at his best as a coordinator? Maybe. But maybe he is one of those guys who learns from his mistakes and "gets it" second time around. I do think it is analogous to Belichick in Cleveland. That isn't to say of course that his bound to match Belichick's success second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Schwartz had lost the locker room in Detroit at the end. There is no doubt about that. But his work through the first 3 years was very impressive. Is he at his best as a coordinator? Maybe. But maybe he is one of those guys who learns from his mistakes and "gets it" second time around. I do think it is analogous to Belichick in Cleveland. That isn't to say of course that his bound to match Belichick's success second time around. Here is the thing people forget about BB. He had won two SB's as a DC. His gameplan for SBXXV is in the HOF. He didn't have a QB in Cleveland. He didn't have All Pro players like Johnson or Suh in Cleveland. His final season was undermined early by the team announcing it was moving. Again.....if you can draw an analogy between the two situations you can do it with tons of first time HC failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Here is the thing people forget about BB. He had won two SB's as a DC. His gameplan for SBXXV is in the HOF. He didn't have a QB in Cleveland. He didn't have All Pro players like Johnson or Suh in Cleveland. His final season was undermined early by the team announcing it was moving. Again.....if you can draw an analogy between the two situations you can do it with tons of first time HC failures. Not doubting Belichick's pedigree with the Giants. However, I think it is slightly giving him a pass saying his Quarterback situation was that much worse than Schwartz's in Detroit. He had Kosar and then Testerverde who were more than good enough to win with. They weren't top 10 Quarterbacks but nor is Stafford. The only season that puts him anywhere near that conversation is that 10-6 season under Jim Schwartz. I am not trying to label him a successful Head Coach. I don't think he was - but nor do I think he was a proven failure. His first crack at it was a mix of good and bad in my opinion. He isn't my preferred Head Coach for the Bills but I have little doubt we could do worse and possibly will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 No confirmation of an interview yet, am I right? Seems weird, you think an in house guy would be one of the first to be looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 As others have stated, I'd like to see Schwartz become HC for reasons of recognizing success and continuity, then pay big bucks for the best offensive coordinator we can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Tim Graham @ByTimGraham 4s5 seconds ago Sources: Bills have interviewed defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/01/06/sources-bills-interviewed-defensive-coordinator-jim-schwartz/ … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GUY YELLING BEHIND YOU Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 @ByTimGraham reporting that Jim Schwartz has been interviewed. I'm still very conflicted. Would love to keep continuity of the coaching staff, players love him (on both sides of the ball apparently), and has has a good football mind. His piece on the Cleveland documentary was interesting. But what's his offensive philosophy? Who is his OC that can come in and either develop EJ or get the playmakers the ball with someone else. He doesn't come off as conservative to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think he would kill it second time around. Granted, he needs to find QBs first. Remember, he took the only 0-16 team in the history of the NFL to the playoffs in his 3rd year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) i heard his salt-and-pepper goatee will be doing all the offensive play calling. Edited January 7, 2015 by Dirtbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi1 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Good for Coach Schwartz, well deserved and certainly a well earned interview. Of course, landing an OC to compliment his defensive standouts on the other side of the ball should be first and foremost a priority. Best of luck to him and the team should he become the next HC of the Buffalo Bills. If not, hopefully the incoming HC invites him to stay on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think he would kill it second time around. Granted, he needs to find QBs first. Remember, he took the only 0-16 team in the history of the NFL to the playoffs in his 3rd year! And then he just as quickly buried them--only to be resurrected by the great Jim Caldwell. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 May the Schwartz be with Terry and Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) His OC in Detroit was Scott Linehan. The Lions finished in the top 6 in yards all three of his last three seasons, and was the playcaller and person given the most accolades for the Cowboys offensive resurgence this year. We could do worse than Linehan, who is a free agent. Edited January 7, 2015 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GUY YELLING BEHIND YOU Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 His OC in Detroit was Scott Linehan. The Lions finished in the top 5 in yards all three of his last three seasons, and was the playcaller and person given the most accolades for the Cowboys offensive resurgence this year. We could do worse than Linehan, who is a free agent.iGood piece of info on Linehan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 i Good piece of info on Linehan. Top 6 in yards in those three years, 5th, 3rd and then 6th, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Top 6 in yards in those three years, 5th, 3rd and then 6th, I don't want him. We need Ben McAdoo, maybe he can make Sammy be a poor mans ODB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I didnt realize he had just a one year deal....interesting. I would love Schwartz to stayw here he is as DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How many people think it was a coincidence we went 4-0 vs nfc north this year? You guys think schwartz had more to do with that or st. Sh*tforbrains? Id be happy w schwartz as HC. Better than many of the clowns being considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't want him. We need Ben McAdoo, maybe he can make Sammy be a poor mans ODB If Sammy was targeted as much as OBDJr he'd be a rich man version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Schwartz is a very, very smart guy and I bet gave a great interview. Whaley and Brandon would obviously know him well, but I bet he blows the Pegulas away. He probably articulated a dozen ways why the Bills offense failed, knowing how to combat them so well. If I had to bet, he would get the job. The only other way I see it happening is Gase or Bevell or Shanny running the offense and Schwartz staying and being left alone, and Daddy Warbucks making Schwartz the highest paid coordinator in the league, or close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 @ByTimGraham reporting that Jim Schwartz has been interviewed. I'm still very conflicted. Would love to keep continuity of the coaching staff, players love him (on both sides of the ball apparently), and has has a good football mind. His piece on the Cleveland documentary was interesting. But what's his offensive philosophy? Who is his OC that can come in and either develop EJ or get the playmakers the ball with someone else. He doesn't come off as conservative to me. Presumably those are all questions that were asked. Keep in mind with all the HC fired there should be good people available Not sure what is meant by "his piece on the Cleveland documentary", can you expand please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd love to see this: Schwartz: HC Pepper Johnson: DC Linehan or Reich: OC Hackett: offensive position coach of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't want him. We need Ben McAdoo, maybe he can make Sammy be a poor mans ODB If Sammy was targeted as much as OBDJr he'd be a rich man version reed was talking about ol' dirty bastard, not obd jr. personally, i think the bills would be lucky to score a poor man's odb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I want Schwartz on our side however it shakes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi1 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) How many people think it was a coincidence we went 4-0 vs nfc north this year? You guys think schwartz had more to do with that or st. Sh*tforbrains? Id be happy w schwartz as HC. Better than many of the clowns being considered. 4-0 well done, Coach Schwartz. Quite an amazing accomplishment to say the least. and St. Doug thought he was responsible for this year's winning record. Riighttt... Edited January 7, 2015 by Lombardi1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd love to see this: Schwartz: HC Pepper Johnson: DC Linehan or Reich: OC Hackett: offensive position coach of some sort. I can't see Reich being an OC. Maybe, but I really doubt it. From everything I know he really doesn't have an offensive system, and he's certainly never run one. I assume he's probably put one together of some kind, but he's never ever tried it anywhere. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I can't see Reich being an OC. Maybe, but I really doubt it. From everything I know he really doesn't have an offensive system, and he's certainly never run one. I assume he's probably put one together of some kind, but he's never ever tried it anywhere. No thanks. Wasnt Reich OC this yr? Maybe im having a brain fart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Wasnt Reich OC this yr? Maybe im having a brain fart Yes he was. Won't take a sideways move with a worse QB situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Wasnt Reich OC this yr? Maybe im having a brain fart He was and he called plays. But it was completely Mike McCoy's the HC's offense. McCoy was hired because of his offense he was bringing to the Chargers. Reich was the OC this year but it wasn't like he was running his offense. He's a good coach, don't get me wrong. Probably very good with QBs. He could become the HC of the Bills, but he would be following the Mike Tomlin or Marv Levy model, as an overall manager. he would have someone run the offense and probably Schwartz run the defense. But I sincerely doubt he would run his own system on O. Perhaps he has it stashed. Yes he was. Won't take a sideways move with a worse QB situation. But he ran McCoy's offense not his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't want him. We need Ben McAdoo, maybe he can make Sammy be a poor mans ODBAndre Reed only posted years better than Sammy Watkins 2014 season four times. In fact, Reed didn't have a season as Watkin's rookie year until his own fourth season; and Reed's career average season, even if we toss out his first and final seasons as well as his injury year, aren't as good as Watkin's first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) reed was talking about ol' dirty bastard, not obd jr. personally, i think the bills would be lucky to score a poor man's odb. LOL. That turned out to be pretty funny... Andre Reed only posted years better than Sammy Watkins 2014 season four times. In fact, Reed didn't have a season as Watkin's rookie year until his own fourth season; and Reed's career average season, even if we toss out his first and final seasons as well as his injury year, aren't as good as Watkin's first season. I can't believe how impossible to compare offensive players from different eras now...Defense has been marginalized so much. We won the 91 AFC Championship game 10-7. Edited January 7, 2015 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 He was and he called plays. But it was completely Mike McCoy's the HC's offense. McCoy was hired because of his offense he was bringing to the Chargers. Reich was the OC this year but it wasn't like he was running his offense. He's a good coach, don't get me wrong. Probably very good with QBs. He could become the HC of the Bills, but he would be following the Mike Tomlin or Marv Levy model, as an overall manager. he would have someone run the offense and probably Schwartz run the defense. But I sincerely doubt he would run his own system on O. Perhaps he has it stashed. But he ran McCoy's offense not his. I see what youre saying. Personally id rather have Reich be in the OC role a couple more years before giving him a HC position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I can't see Reich being an OC. Maybe, but I really doubt it. From everything I know he really doesn't have an offensive system, and he's certainly never run one. I assume he's probably put one together of some kind, but he's never ever tried it anywhere. No thanks. Who do you like for OC in my scenario if we can't get Linehan? Would Lane Kiffin from Alabama be a decent hire? Would one of the recently fired HC's work? (I'd take Sparano if he is fired). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Schwartz is a very, very smart guy and I bet gave a great interview. Whaley and Brandon would obviously know him well, but I bet he blows the Pegulas away. He probably articulated a dozen ways why the Bills offense failed, knowing how to combat them so well. If I had to bet, he would get the job. The only other way I see it happening is Gase or Bevell or Shanny running the offense and Schwartz staying and being left alone, and Daddy Warbucks making Schwartz the highest paid coordinator in the league, or close to it. Pure guess on my part but I see them hiring a HC coach with offensive background like Bevell or Jackson and giving Schwartz a pay raise and possibly extension as DC or Assistant HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I didnt realize he had just a one year deal....interesting. I would love Schwartz to stayw here he is as DC. Schwartz has a 1-year deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Schwartz has a 1-year deal? he's signed through 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 This was posted when we hired Schwartz as DC. Inspires a lot of confidence: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1& Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I see what youre saying. Personally id rather have Reich be in the OC role a couple more years before giving him a HC position. Yeah, I am torn about him. He could probably do it now. He's known as being very smart, a very good motivator, and very good teacher. But he's never been in charge of anything. Playing all those years under Marv he saw how it was done but it's not the same thing. He's very highly respected though. Tomlin did it almost the same way with the Steelers. he had only one year as a DC with the Vikings, and then he didn't even use his defense when he came to the Steelers. He let LeBeau do it (or was made to) and let the OC run the offense. It worked pretty good. Who do you like for OC in my scenario if we can't get Linehan? Would Lane Kiffin from Alabama be a decent hire? Would one of the recently fired HC's work? (I'd take Sparano if he is fired). That's a tough one. I hate Lane Kiffin although he may be a decent OC. I doubt he leaves his job. I'm not a Sparano fan at all, although he has had some decent results. Kyle Shanahan maybe. Dirk Koetter is a pretty good offensive mind. There are probably guys out there I am not thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 This was posted when we hired Schwartz as DC. Inspires a lot of confidence: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1& Nice find. Interesting article. I like Schwartz even more now, will be disappointed if he is not the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 reed was talking about ol' dirty bastard, not obd jr. personally, i think the bills would be lucky to score a poor man's odb. A Wu Tang reference on TBD. We have hit the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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