Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Joe Flacco 1st year - 65/148 - 43.9% 4th year - 77/194 - 39.7% 7th year - 63/151 - 41.7% Interesting that he's gotten worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Joe Flacco 1st year - 65/148 - 43.9% 4th year - 77/194 - 39.7% 7th year - 63/151 - 41.7% Interesting that he's gotten worse. Which proves the point, anyone can get better or worse. Just out of curiosity, where are you getting these from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Which proves the point, anyone can get better or worse. Just out of curiosity, where are you getting these from? ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps. Much appreciated for letting me know, gonna have a look at most franchise/successful QBs. I am under the same belief and hope that there's a chance they become the guy we need. I will be with whatever Quarterback/s we have under contract on our 53 man roster until they go somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps. The only problem is that there is no clear stat to look at. Some might be better than others, but did Joe Flacco REALLY get less accurate? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Matt Ryan Low (2nd) - 59/145 - 40.7% High (5th) - 109/199 - 54.8% Tony Romo 2nd* - 70/139 - 50.4% 10th - 70/133 - 52.6% (I was surprised to see, statistically, Romo has been pretty excellent ever since coming into the league, him choking late in the season really does give him a bad name overall) P. Rivers* 3rd* - 87/167 - 52.1% 11th - 96/196 - 49.0% * - first year playing significant time The only problem is that there is no clear stat to look at. Some might be better than others, but did Joe Flacco REALLY get less accurate? Who knows? I used one of the suggested stats. I'm not sure what else you want from me. I have no clue if EJ will get better. I wanted to see if it was possible. R. Tannehill 1st - 69/153 - 45.1% (76.1 QBRating) 3rd - 77/173 - 44.5% (92.8 QBRating) Tannehill made +10% improvements in under 10 yard passes, and improved his TD/INT ratio, which brought his QB Rating up significantly Edited February 25, 2015 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Matt Ryan Low (2nd) - 59/145 - 40.7% High (5th) - 109/199 - 54.8% Tony Romo 2nd* - 70/139 - 50.4% 10th - 70/133 - 52.6% (I was surprised to see, statistically, Romo has been pretty excellent ever since coming into the league, him choking late in the season really does give him a bad name overall) P. Rivers* 3rd* - 87/167 - 52.1% 11th - 96/196 - 49.0% * - first year playing significant time I used one of the suggested stats. I'm not sure what else you want from me. I have no clue if EJ will get better. I wanted to see if it was possible. R. Tannehill 1st - 69/153 - 45.1% (76.1 QBRating) 3rd - 77/173 - 44.5% (92.8 QBRating) Tannehill made +10% improvements in under 10 yard passes, and improved his TD/INT ratio, which brought his QB Rating up significantly The point was that while it is a better stat, it is still imperfect. Edited February 25, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 The point was that while it is a better stat, it is still imperfect. I guess if it's imperfect, I can't disprove the "fact" that accuracy can't be taught/learned. My apologies for wasting everyone's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 EJ will be working with a better offensive coaching staff this time around. My money is on him showing enough improvement to justify continued development. START HIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I guess if it's imperfect, I can't disprove the "fact" that accuracy can't be taught/learned. My apologies for wasting everyone's time. Before you continue your fake self-derision schtick, know that you can't prove that accuracy can't be taught either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps. Set feet, square shoulders, get on top of the ball, and no more short arming throws. There, improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npeartisgod Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 EJ will start the first four games. If he doesn't have "it" he'll be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Before you continue your fake self-derision schtick, know that you can't prove that accuracy can't be taught either. You are so much smarter than everyone else here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 EJ Orton hates training camp. He will return, and the Bills will be hard up enough to re-sign him Set feet, square shoulders, get on top of the ball, and no more short arming throws. There, improved. 'Cept when he starts hearing **********FOOTSTEPS!********** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Schaub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 EJ Manuel and if it isn't then it's probably going to be someone worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm thinking Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm going with EJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Hoyer. Seems like the right confluences of circumstances. He's a free agent and the Browns will let him walk. The Browns have to get him out of the way to put the pressure on Manziel to mature and be the unquestioned leader. The relationship with Pettine will allow the team to get some good intel on him. And of course, he's mediocre with limitations, about all you really can find in free agency at the QB position. Yep. Looks that way if McCown doesn't want the gig. If I posted before oh well... The Bills will pick up Locker, then they will draft Grayson. That is the only move the Bills can pull off that gives them the best chance of finding a starting QB through competition. Hopefully Grayson wins and the Bills make the playoffs. Grayson would be nice. Brett Hundley would be the second coming of EJ so again another year when QB is a need and little to no options... and no 1st rounder as well. (But I still like the trade.... this draft sucks !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Once again the last New England game would have been extremely helpful for the entire organization to have EJ prepare for and play the entire game. (our goal is supposedly to win a championship, not waste valuable chances to develop and evaluate critical players in real game situations so we can get a meaningless win to make ourselves feel better for a few days) If the Oline gets the proper personnel and coaching, and Roman is the real deal, I think EJ will win the job in camp. Gotta let him use his legs to buy some time, and give him more audible leeway. The kid has won a bunch of NFL games with subpar coaching and Oline play, he's not done in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 EJ, Hoyer, Grayson. Don't care who wins it. Improve the oline. Sign another Guard. Resign Hughes. Restructure Mario. Try and get Revis. Let's go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Not sure where to find completion percentage to WRs... but ESPN's splits do have completion percentages for air travel... or at least thats how I read it. Alex Smith's second year (low point) - 11+ yards - 53/131 - 40.5% Alex Smith's eighth year (high point) - 11+ yards - 30/56 - 53.7% Will take quite a bit of time for other QBs, but is certainly doable to dig through. Edit: Looks like ESPN doesn't have these stats prior to 2002, so some QBs will be out for this... Eli Manning's first year (low point) - 11+ yards - 20/60 - 33.33% Eli Manning's eleventh year (high point) - 11+ yards - 93/180 - 51.7% EJ Manuel - 11+ yards 2013 - 34/87 - 39.1% (10 games) 2014 - 13/40 - 32.5% (4 games) Total - 47/127 - 37% (14 games) Not starting out great, obviously [/st. Doug] This is the real issue. Having watched those games, it's not that he was just inaccurate on deeper throws (he clearly was), but how inaccurate he was. So many of his throws were way, way off - ones in which the receivers had zero chance to make a play on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Josh McCown CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qblax16 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 EJ Manuel not by default. Improve the oline. Sign another Guard. Resign Hughes. Restructure Mario. Try and get Revis.Let's go. What a plan that would be!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 This is the real issue. Having watched those games, it's not that he was just inaccurate on deeper throws (he clearly was), but how inaccurate he was. So many of his throws were way, way off - ones in which the receivers had zero chance to make a play on the ball. Guess we'll have to find a stat that tells us the level of inaccuracy on those throws, to see if it's possible for EJ to improve or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir andrew Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 EJ. Will be nice to actually have a competent offensive staff to help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Guess we'll have to find a stat that tells us the level of inaccuracy on those throws, to see if it's possible for EJ to improve or not. He was also inaccurate on many short throws as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Gonna throw in a surprise pick and say Nick Foles (which I would be satisfied with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spillerhighlife Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Tony Romo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Brian Hoyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Uncle Kyle Orton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mik Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Tony Romo Are you kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Tyrod Taylor or Michael Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) I'm going to say Foles. IIgles need draft picks to get up to 5 (in front of jets to grab Mariota). We give them #50 this year and a 3rd next. Edited February 28, 2015 by qwksilver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Foles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Sanchez Yeah. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Apps Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 At this point as long it's not Sanchez or Hoyer, it will good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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