I want Trump for owner and you should too.

[Pondslider]

Trump will be the next owner.

 

Not a chance.

[Utah John]

Trump is a low-class spectacle but he's also a good businessman who hires good people to achieve success. Ralph Wilson in contrast was a gentleman who FIRED good people who crossed swords with his daughter, and who tolerated useless bean counters like Littman in key positions in his organization. Thanks Ralph, I hope you're enjoying heaven, now let's see someone who wants to win regardless of loyalty to family and friends.

[bbb]

Nope. Not everybody around here, not even close. Believe me. Not everybody because nobody saw Murray coming, and, nobody saw Lafontaine leaving. In fact, many people around here were scared we wouldn't get a real GM, but rather, a Lafontaine yes-man.

 

You might have been ready to burn down the First Niagara center, but, if you'd listened to anybody in any bar downtown, and you'd hear all sorts of "how do we know we don't get someone worse?". The knowledgeable people had real concerns about Lafontaine being a problem. Sure there were also the usual "fire everybody" people. There were "fire everybody" people in 2006. Hell I know a guy who is still pissed that Miller started over Biron. There were all sorts of scenarios, and arguments. It wasn't RJ/Flutie...but it was heading that way.

 

Now? All gone.

 

And, Pegula just keeps piling up the deliverables. Buying the Americans(50/50 he buys the Jackals(Elmira) next), the $40 mil on the locker room, doubling the size of the scouting department....the things he can do, he thinks through, then does, immediately.

 

Didn't he buy the Jackals, or did they just get a farm/parent team agreement?

[Hplarrm]

One thing which seems clear to me in all of this is that there is no potential owner/candidate who has no substantial negatives in terms of their prospects to become the next owner.

 

Anyone who presents this as a no-brainer for one candidate or another is simply demonstrating they have no brain.

 

Trump does bring some positives to the table, this true.

 

The thing which seems silly to me is a claim that there are no pretty clear negatives also.

 

Anyone who wants to make a compelling case for a Trump bid to succeed would need to acknowledge those negatives and then state credible reasons why these negatives can be overcome or ignored.

 

I certainly have not seen this case effectively made yet.

 

Among he questions which strike me as unanswered yet are:

 

1. In order for a bid to be judged acceptable 75% of the owners must agree. The claim that Ralph,s estate MUST sell to the highest bidder is simply wrong. Ralph agreed contractually to the 75% stipulation. Yes NFL team owners will almost certainly follow the money, but the mistake many seem to make is assuming the biggest money for an individual team owner comes from the Bills being sold to the highest bidder.

 

No.

 

The high bid brings the most money to Ralph's estate, but the NFL team owners get their biggest profit from the TV networks.

 

If the high bid for the Bills comes from any party that messes up the TV networks ability to tell stories then that high bid gets rejected.

 

The key question here is whether Trump would suck up to enough owners to get 75%.

 

Trump has a clear history of doing his own thing as he judges without regard to what others think or do,(his litigious nature with his business partners as seen in his USFL days I have yet to seea compelling case made why he is worth the risk to be a partner.

 

2. There are 32 team owners who have to vote 75& to approve a partner. However. the jousting between the team owners and the NFLPA which has seen the team owners forced to give 60% of the gross receipts to the players is a tangible sign that not only are the players partners but majority partners in this deal.

 

The players already have shown their power over who is judged to be a legit owner or not when they vetoed Rush Limbaugh as part of the Rams bid package. Since Trump has played the role of being a GOP mover and shaker and has done so with an embrace of whole I have seen no proof that Obama is an US citizen, my sense would any bid he makes could be easily opposed if it became serious. I do not think Trump's rep among many A-As ever recovered from Obama publicly mocking him while he was having bin Laden killed.

 

Trump is a joke for many A-As and progressives and I would guess that is the case for many NFLPA members as well.

 

3. Gambling is a huge part of the NFL success story as evidenced by wide dissemination and near official adoption of the Vegas NFL betting line and the widespread interest in fantasy football! This being noted an intricate dance is part of the wallpaper of our lives. To keep the money flowing and the game honest there is a intricate wall of interaction between NFL and gambling.

 

The NFL wants to be close (develop and deliver stats that support the betting and money exchange of fantasy leagues, promote individual players as that helps both the league and gambling) but not too close.

 

The NFL clearly bars folks from both owning teams and profiting from gambling on them, but it also disciplines and also sanctions player for even hanging out with gamblers.

 

Trump may have already sold (or lost his gambling holdings to bankruptcy because he was a bad businessman.

 

However, even without current fiscal holdings, likely when push comes to decisions the taint of his former well known gambling connections would become a stench if there is even the implication that the efforts of a team owned by him might be open to any influence from Trumps past high roller associations. Even Belicheat might look honest in comparison.

 

becoming a team owner is a longshot for anyone, and Trump clearly brings some extra bags to a bid. if even his boosters do not at least acknowledge these and other issues they are not credible with their guesses.

[Buftex]

Hold on, where did I make a single claim FOR Trump?

 

Go back, and re-read, there comprehension-san.

 

ALL I've done, is either refute nonsense(Trump's father was a billionaire), or ask for how the hell they "know" something, or point out that character assassination is not "evidence of how Trump will act as Bills owner".

 

I also pointed how silly not acknowledging "hires good executives" as the literal be all and end all for a CEO was.

 

Speaking of CEO, IIRC, the last time Trump owned a football, team, he went out and made a big splash by signing #1 Draft pick and Heisman Trophy winner Herschel Walker away from the NFL. (Man, how football has changed..)

 

That's a hell of a football move for anybody, but especially for a new league in its first year.

 

I've yet to read a single poster here talk about Trump's USFL football moves.

 

 

You know....the things we actually give a F about when it comes to an NFL owner?

 

 

So, I did a little research... I believe you are factually wrong on all of this Trump as USFL owner. Trump was the original owner of the Generals, while the league was still being conceptualized, but backed out, and J Walter Duncan was the first owner of the team, when they actually started building the team. Trump, apparently, felt he had too many other financial responsibilities to deal with at the time, in dealing with the construction of Trump Towers.

 

It was under Duncan that the Generals obtained Herschal Walker. Trump purchased the team from Duncan in 1984.

 

So please, stop accusing people with opinions of making up facts, when you keep doing it yourself. In fact, if anything, your fabricated argument only re-enforces the notion that Trump would not be an ideal owner. He did make a ton of moves with the Generals upon arriving..fired everyone, singed Brian Sipe away from the Browns for, at the time, an absurd amount of money. Sipe took them from being a 6-12 team, to 14-4. But the next year, Trump/Generals drafted Flutie, and shipped Sipe off to the Jacksonville Showboats (or whatever the !@#$ they were called).

 

Other USFL owners had grave concerns, because he blew the leagues salary structure, spending more on two players, than the other teams were spending on their entire rosters... he basically raised the bar so high, that the league couldn't succeed with its' original mission, to establish a spring/summer pro football league. It almost seems to me (WARNING: this is my intellectual interpretation OC, and not be stated as absolute fact), that Trump was either too impatient, or incapable of playing by the same rules as everyone else, and hijacked the USFL to use as a tool to fast-track himself into NFL ownership. If you ever see the ESPN USFL documentary, they go into this stuff a bit more in depth. From that, it was pretty clear that some of those USFL owners were no big fan of Donald Trump as a partner. To me, his short history in the USFL conjures up images of the worst of Dan Snyder or George Steinbrenner. Steinbrenner had his championship rings, but the NFL makes it much more difficult to purchase championships than MLB does. So, the tools that Trump used to flip the USFL Generals fortunes around in 1984, simply don't exist in the NFL in 2014.

 

http://www.usfl.info/generals/

Edited May 29, 2014 by Buftex

[Kemp]

The most overrated businessman of all time. Born into millions. Ran it all into bankruptcy and survived because of junk bonds and bailouts.

 

Good self-promoter, though.

[Rocky Landing]

Trumps public persona has been grist for media ridicule for over two decades now. He has long been a parody of himself. In my opinion, a Trump ownership would be a PR nightmare. The scant national attention our team does get will be overshadowed by whatever bloviating nonsense Trump feels should be focused on. In a Trump-owned team, the most important person, and the most visible person, will always be Trump.

 

I see him as a magnet for parody, as well as an utterly divisive character. In his most recent bid for the republican presidential nomination, he showed himself to be both divisive, and a political weather vane. I absolutely don't trust him. And, I fear our team would become a laughing stock.

[SRQ_BillsFan]

I think you either like him or you hate him. I agree all known candidates (used loosely) have warts. I'm waiting for the unknown.

 

I do take Trump at his word in saying he would keep the team here, especially if he has his own $$$$ tied up in the stadium.

 

 

For me it's

1a Keep the team here

1b Just win baby.

 

.

[YoloinOhio]

Mike Rodak ‏@mikerodak 18m

On ESPN, @AshleyFoxESPN writes that Donald Trump as the Bills' next owner would be a colossal disaster: http://es.pn/1mvFgJM

[keepthefaith]

Mike Rodak ‏@mikerodak 18m

On ESPN, @AshleyFoxESPN writes that Donald Trump as the Bills' next owner would be a colossal disaster: http://es.pn/1mvFgJM

 

Clearly written by a liberal who dislikes Trump. Frankly, Buffalo fans would benefit more from Trump being President than they would as him being the Bills Owner.

Edited May 29, 2014 by keepthefaith

[PromoTheRobot]

Mike Rodak ‏@mikerodak 18m

On ESPN, @AshleyFoxESPN writes that Donald Trump as the Bills' next owner would be a colossal disaster: http://es.pn/1mvFgJM

 

Rodak says the Bills won't fetch more than $800M at auction. The Bills will break the $1B barrier easily.

[FLFan]

Clearly written by a liberal who dislikes Trump. Frankly, Buffalo fans would benefit more from Trump being President than they would as him being the Bills Owner.

You do not have to be a "liberal" to dislike Trump. There are many reasons to dislike him that pre-date him ever making a political utterance, and many since that have nothing do with his non-business opinions.

[Rocky Landing]

Clearly written by a liberal who dislikes Trump. Frankly, Buffalo fans would benefit more from Trump being President than they would as him being the Bills Owner.

This is exactly the kind of sentiment that illustrates how divisive the man is.

[dwight in philly]

Clearly written by a liberal who dislikes Trump. Frankly, Buffalo fans would benefit more from Trump being President than they would as him being the Bills Owner.

at this point,ANYBODY but the present occupier of the oval office would be better.. trump president, carl paladino sec of state, gene simmons buys the bills.. Edited May 29, 2014 by dwight in philly

[BuffaninATL]

The most overrated businessman of all time. Born into millions. Ran it all into bankruptcy and survived because of junk bonds and bailouts.

 

Good self-promoter, though.

 

Wow - exaggerate much ?

 

Rodak says the Bills won't fetch more than $800M at auction. The Bills will break the $1B barrier easily.

 

the more I read Rodak's blogs, the less credence I see in them

[RuntheDamnBall]

Trumps public persona has been grist for media ridicule for over two decades now. He has long been a parody of himself. In my opinion, a Trump ownership would be a PR nightmare. The scant national attention our team does get will be overshadowed by whatever bloviating nonsense Trump feels should be focused on. In a Trump-owned team, the most important person, and the most visible person, will always be Trump.

 

I see him as a magnet for parody, as well as an utterly divisive character. In his most recent bid for the republican presidential nomination, he showed himself to be both divisive, and a political weather vane. I absolutely don't trust him. And, I fear our team would become a laughing stock.

Truth.

[ricojes]

I would be ok with the Trumpster. Does his hair get a position with the team?

The dome on the new stadium could be modeled after Trumps dome...

[FistingBot]

The dome on the new stadium could be modeled after Trumps dome...

 

The Combover Dome?

[Deranged Rhino]

Clearly written by a liberal who dislikes Trump. Frankly, Buffalo fans would benefit more from Trump being President than they would as him being the Bills Owner.

You do not have to be a "liberal" to dislike Trump. There are many reasons to dislike him that pre-date him ever making a political utterance, and many since that have nothing do with his non-business opinions.

 

What's hilarious is all the super right wingers on this board are bashing anyone who dislikes Trump by claiming it's only because of their liberal politics meanwhile the righties are the only ones talking about politics in this thread and it's their own politics that are driving their man-love of the Trumpster.

 

Irony. It's wonderful.

[Buftex]

What's hilarious is all the super right wingers on this board are bashing anyone who dislikes Trump by claiming it's only because of their liberal politics meanwhile the righties are the only ones talking about politics in this thread and it's their own politics that are driving their man-love of the Trumpster.

 

Irony. It's wonderful.

 

What I was trying to point out to OC, before I stepped in his troll trap!

[bbb]

What's hilarious is all the super right wingers on this board are bashing anyone who dislikes Trump by claiming it's only because of their liberal politics meanwhile the righties are the only ones talking about politics in this thread and it's their own politics that are driving their man-love of the Trumpster.

 

Irony. It's wonderful.

 

I thought you left the board for good yesterday?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

I thought you left the board for good yesterday?

Not that I'm aware of?

[bbb]

"It's been fun. Peace out TSW."

[Deranged Rhino]

"It's been fun. Peace out TSW."

?

[bbb]

?

 

It's what you said.

[Deranged Rhino]

It's what you said.

Uh... okay. I don't know what you're talking about.

[bbb]

What is it that you don't understand?

[Deranged Rhino]

What is it that you don't understand?

Everything? I don't know what you're talking about... are you sure you got the right guy?

[bbb]

On the Maya Angelou thread, which some overofficious moderator has taken down, you said that.

 

I subscribe to threads that I post on, so here is what the email said:

 

GreggyT has just posted a reply to a topic that you have subscribed to titled "I am a woman, phenomenally.".

 

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It's been fun. Peace out TSW.

 

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And, then you were gone.

 

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You had been arguing with somebody about it being a RIP thread, and I said do you think her family is reading it, and then you said that and didn't post at all after that to any thread. I said Jeez, I hope it wasn't something I said.

[KollegeStudnet]

A high percentage is that this will be a group ownership and not a single owner.

 

Overall, whichever is Kelly's group, I'm in full support! Meaning, if Trump is apart of it, so be it.

Edited May 30, 2014 by KollegeStudnet

[voodoo poonani]

Everyone has their own ideal situation for the owner but here is why you should want Donald Trump as the next owner...

 

1) He does not take failure as an option.

2) He does not take sh**from anyone

3) You want Rivalries back in Buffalo? This guy is liable to talk sh** about every divisional opponent and their owner. Oh and outside of the division, ESPECIALLY Jerry Jones because he hates other people with almost as much money as he has.

4) He will NEVER be called cheap. In fact I think he likes to overspend to get what he wants.

5) He has enough common sense to be hands off. He's not a football guy and he knows it. He will hire the right faculty and if they don't perform it's chopping block.

6) I think the NFL needs character and Trump is a character I'd enjoy watching in press conferences on his team. He's going to tell it how it is and not sugar coat it. We need more of that.

7) He has stated his intentions of keeping the team in Buffalo, he sees the importance of the fan base and how detrimental it is to the city.

8) I think everyone who sees Galisano as a better option should look at what he did when he owned the Sabres. Yes, he kept him here and we're all thankful for that but he had no win now mentality and it showed.

 

TRUMP for Owner in 2014... Now for all the haters on why my opinion sucks...

 

1) he's failed a bunch and bankruptcy got him out of it while screwing his creditors

2) how can you possibly know this

3) I'd rather have the polar opposite to Jerrah

4) see #1

5) see #2

6) he's a character he doesn't have character

7) he also made promises to investors (see #1)

8) we did go deep into the playoffs and won the president's trophy

 

I think Trump's sole mission in life is to promote Donald Trump. I couldn't stand him as an owner, and wouldn't want the circus he brings to town. I think Galidano, Pegula, Jacobs, or hell Larry Page are better options. Not that I have a say in the matter.

[Deranged Rhino]

On the Maya Angelou thread, which some overofficious moderator has taken down, you said that.

 

I subscribe to threads that I post on, so here is what the email said:

 

GreggyT has just posted a reply to a topic that you have subscribed to titled "I am a woman, phenomenally.".

 

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It's been fun. Peace out TSW.

 

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And, then you were gone.

 

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You had been arguing with somebody about it being a RIP thread, and I said do you think her family is reading it, and then you said that and didn't post at all after that to any thread. I said Jeez, I hope it wasn't something I said.

:lol:

 

No, I assure you it was nothing you said -- though I wondered what happened to that thread. And I solved the mystery. I didn't write that last post (but found out who did), I left my laptop open and someone who shall remain nameless was trying to get me to focus on work.

[3rdand12]

A high percentage is that this will be a group ownership and not a single owner.

 

Overall, whichever is Kelly's group, I'm in full support! Meaning, if Trump is apart of it, so be it.

Jimbo could just reach over and punch Donald in the head when he strays. Yep i would be okay with that too : )

[Nitro]

:lol:

 

No, I assure you it was nothing you said -- though I wondered what happened to that thread. And I solved the mystery. I didn't write that last post (but found out who did), I left my laptop open and someone who shall remain nameless was trying to get me to focus on work.

Don't worry. Some troll did this to me last month. Have no idea how but it was done.

[purple haze]

Clearly written by a liberal who dislikes Trump. Frankly, Buffalo fans would benefit more from Trump being President than they would as him being the Bills Owner.

 

You have no idea what Ashley Fox is or isn't. Could it be she just doesn't like Trumps' history and what it portends for the future? Frankly, the GOP would benefit more from a viable, serious minded candidate than the Trumps of the world provide. How many times is he going to run for Governor or President? Or should I say, how many times is he going to say he will before backing out because he will get smoked in a GOP primary.

Edited May 30, 2014 by purple haze

[Nitro]

Everyone has their own ideal situation for the owner but here is why you should want Donald Trump as the next owner...

 

1) He does not take failure as an option.

2) He does not take sh**from anyone

3) You want Rivalries back in Buffalo? This guy is liable to talk sh** about every divisional opponent and their owner. Oh and outside of the division, ESPECIALLY Jerry Jones because he hates other people with almost as much money as he has.

4) He will NEVER be called cheap. In fact I think he likes to overspend to get what he wants.

5) He has enough common sense to be hands off. He's not a football guy and he knows it. He will hire the right faculty and if they don't perform it's chopping block.

6) I think the NFL needs character and Trump is a character I'd enjoy watching in press conferences on his team. He's going to tell it how it is and not sugar coat it. We need more of that.

7) He has stated his intentions of keeping the team in Buffalo, he sees the importance of the fan base and how detrimental it is to the city.

8) I think everyone who sees Galisano as a better option should look at what he did when he owned the Sabres. Yes, he kept him here and we're all thankful for that but he had no win now mentality and it showed.

 

TRUMP for Owner in 2014... Now for all the haters on why my opinion sucks...

Trump has owned a football team. He is a lightening rod but if he buys it will be great national exposure meaning more prime time games. My hope is that if he buys the team he helps build a stadium that will be good for the team, city and region. Trump can be a vain pain in the back side but so is Daniel Snyder and the late AL Davis.

[yungmack]

Clearly written by a liberal who dislikes Trump. Frankly, Buffalo fans would benefit more from Trump being President than they would as him being the Bills Owner.

It is one of the signs of a rigid mind that criticism, even legitimate & fair criticism, is dismissed with ridiculous non-sequiter like "liberal." Must make your life easy as all hell when you can blow off any criticism by your boss or your spouse as nothing mre than their misguided political beliefs.

[bbb]

:lol:

 

No, I assure you it was nothing you said -- though I wondered what happened to that thread. And I solved the mystery. I didn't write that last post (but found out who did), I left my laptop open and someone who shall remain nameless was trying to get me to focus on work.

 

 

Hahaha - I actually thought about it after I posted it that I wondered if somebody else posted that and you didn't know it!

[Hazed and Amuzed]

 

 

 

What's hilarious is all the super right wingers on this board are bashing anyone who dislikes Trump by claiming it's only because of their liberal politics meanwhile the righties are the only ones talking about politics in this thread and it's their own politics that are driving their man-love of the Trumpster.

 

Irony. It's wonderful.

 

Hit the nail on the head. Partisanship has made people dumber and dumber through the generations. Trump is a jackass, regardless of his bank account. I'm actually a registered republican but wouldn't support a dolt like that for a million dollars. It's really too bad that the right has turned into the junk heap it's become. This country is screwed, and IMO it's because people blindly support jerkoffs like Trump just because of his affiliations. Same holds true for the left. An a-hole is an a-hole.