I want Trump for owner and you should too.

[shoretalk]

Everyone has their own ideal situation for the owner but here is why you should want Donald Trump as the next owner...

 

1) He does not take failure as an option.

2) He does not take sh**from anyone

3) You want Rivalries back in Buffalo? This guy is liable to talk sh** about every divisional opponent and their owner. Oh and outside of the division, ESPECIALLY Jerry Jones because he hates other people with almost as much money as he has.

4) He will NEVER be called cheap. In fact I think he likes to overspend to get what he wants.

5) He has enough common sense to be hands off. He's not a football guy and he knows it. He will hire the right faculty and if they don't perform it's chopping block.

6) I think the NFL needs character and Trump is a character I'd enjoy watching in press conferences on his team. He's going to tell it how it is and not sugar coat it. We need more of that.

7) He has stated his intentions of keeping the team in Buffalo, he sees the importance of the fan base and how detrimental it is to the city.

8) I think everyone who sees Galisano as a better option should look at what he did when he owned the Sabres. Yes, he kept him here and we're all thankful for that but he had no win now mentality and it showed.

 

TRUMP for Owner in 2014... Now for all the haters on why my opinion sucks...

 

I have been in the Atlantic City area since 1986 and worked in local media continuously through 2006. I have seen the Donald's "Art of the Deal" up close and have had friends amongst his executives and business partners. Believe me, he is not the "Golden Goose" the poster is writing about. His slow vacating of Atlantic City has not been viewed as a loss by the community which tired of his pompous act that failed to modernize his casinos and regularly short changed those who did business with him, which is truly the "Art" in the deal.

 

That being said, I welcome "The Donald" to the ownership competition. I am prepared to go to Trump Dome to watch my Bills play because I do believe he'd keep the team in Buffalo and he sees the Bills as the means to keep the Trump name in the spotlight. He just isn't my first choice of locally committed owners and he should not be yours. I'd take Jacobs or Golisano in a blink of an eye over Trump.

 

As for your numbered items:

 

#1 - if you have visited the Trump Plaza Casino Hotel or know about the fire sale of the Trump Marina/Trump Castle Casino Hotel then you know that Donald accepts failure with ease and gets tired of his toys to the point of not inputting funds necessary for success.

#2 - He may have a mouth but he has lost numerous battles including an infamous one with a little old lady that Doonesberry featured. Ask Steve Wynn if he has ever feared Donald.

#3 - You are correct Donald may shoot his mouth off enough to embarrass the team and maybe the city/community. We have rivalries in the Jets/Patriots and Dolphins. Donald has the potential of getting a significant percentage of NFL fans to have a distaste for the Bills and Buffalo, which is not anything I am hoping for but I guess you like what Jones has done for Dallas and the 'Boys.'

#4 - I am laughing at this one. Donald does all he can to save a dollar! He has a history of not even paying contractors a dollar for a dollar's work. He is wealthy because he gets by on the cheap.

#5 - Donald does hire good executives but believe me it is all about 'The Donald.' He enjoys being a focal point and yes, he will be a visible and aggressive owner giving input on every game, opponent, and anything to do with "his" team. There's nothing wrong with this level of visibility but the poster clearly has not been in the same room with Trump.

#6 - Yes, he is a character (This sort of defeats your statement in number 5.)! Frankly, I am a football fan for the game on the field. Not once since viewing my first Bills' game in 1962 have I wished for a "bigger than life" comic book character in the owner's box. I have detested the behavior and antics of owners like Jerry Jones and Al Davis while respecting the Mara's and Hunt's. I thought our joy as fans was about football not reality tv.

#7 - I agree that Trump appears committed to the WNY fan base and community. His ties with Jim Kelly may be helping this. This does not mean he'll continue to offer the reasonably priced tickets we are used to but if he comes to Buffalo I think he stays.

#8 - There is no doubt that Tom Golisano did what he said he would do. He saved our Buffalo Sabres! And, admitting that he was not a hockey executive he put his trust in the same hockey executive Terry Pegula did, Darcy Regier. The Briere/Drury mess was Darcy's and the dismantling of the team's potential can be attached to Darcy as well. There have no reports that claim Golisano limited payroll and I sure he wanted a winner. He was not a hockey guy but he was a very wealthy man who cared enough about Western NY to put the money out to keep the team here until a more committed hockey owner could be found. Sale made & profit made; good for Tom. However it appears Golisano is a football guy and he has the money to buy the Bills. This time it would not be a purchase to save a community's team ... This time it would be to have his team and Golisano wants to win perhaps even with a passion to make up for the Sabres lack of success.

 

So, bring on Trump or Golisano or Jacobs ... The Bills stay in place and my grandchildren can debate their Buffalo Bills long into the future!

 

[TXBILLSFAN]

I'm guessing not as many times as you've pulled Trumps line out.

I pointed out that Trump graduated from a prestigious university which says he is intelligent, and those are your counter arguments/posts ? Let's just say, the more you post, the more you are making my point. I'm done with you, NEXT!

[shoretalk]

Just quick follow-up to those questioning Trump's willingness to give back to the community.

 

Throughout his career, "The Donald" has provided funds and support both visibly and quietly to a significant number of causes and non-profit organizations.

 

He is not my first choice amongst the owners who will keep the Bills in Buffalo but I have seen his charitable side at work in the Atlantic City area and know he does give back while encouraging his employees to do likewise.

[jo39416]

Not even close...check out the Forbes 400...nearly every single one is self-made. Just about the only ones that aren't are the Waltons.

 

 

 

Wow. Just incorrect... Regarding Trump, you should google his father, Fred.

Edited May 28, 2014 by jo39416

[Hazed and Amuzed]

I pointed out that Trump graduated from a prestigious university which says he is intelligent, and those are your counter arguments/posts ? Let's just say, the more you post, the more you are making my point. I'm done with you, NEXT!

 

Yes I'm just a jealous idiot.

[KD in CA]

Wow. Just incorrect... Regarding Trump, you should google his father, Fred.

 

I'd like to see your analysis of the Forbes 400 to back up your assertions. Pretty sure it's you who is incorrect.

[jo39416]

I pointed out that Trump graduated from a prestigious university which says he is intelligent, and those are your counter arguments/posts ? Let's just say, the more you post, the more you are making my point. I'm done with you, NEXT!

 

Or... his father was worth over an estimated 200mm in the early 60's...

 

That said, I actually do think he is a very smart, shrewd business man - that doesn't always equate to raw intelligence.

 

Just not sold on him being the next owner,, yet. Lets see what Toronto says first.

[thebandit27]

Wow. Just incorrect... Regarding Trump, you should google his father, Fred.

 

Two things:

 

1) My response was directly speaking to the generalization that business owners inherit their wealth--look at the Forbes 400; the vast majority do not.

 

2) Trump inherited (wow, I've misspelled that word twice now while trying to type it) about $200M...he parlayed that into billions, which he then lost, and then re-made. To say he isn't self-made is incorrect.

[May Day 10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo

[Snorom]

WOW!!! Stop it guys, just Stop it already!!! Not sure if you know this, but Trump has donated tons of $ to organizations such as The Wounded Warrior Project, UNICEF, St. Francis Food Pantries and Shelters, Pediatric Epilepsy Project, Operation Smile, Make-A-Wish Foundation, Children with AIDS, etc. The list goes on and on. None of you know him well enough to spew this personal crap about him! Having said all of that, I don't want him as my first choice, but damn guys, the weather is nice out and we should all be in better moods than this. JMO.

 

Multiple bankruptcies and made an embarrassment out of himself in his run for president and his a birther conspiracies and his stupid friggin hair

 

I can not and will not support Trump as a Bills owner...

[jo39416]

I'd like to see your analysis of the Forbes 400 to back up your assertions. Pretty sure it's you who is incorrect.

 

Of the top 20 on the list - at first glance without doing ANY research, 9 of the 20 come from family money. Koch, Waltons, Mars just to name a few. Buffet is debatable.

 

is that almost all?

[Magox]

The amount of vitriol coming from some posters is pretty funny. The majority of the ones that are adamantly opposed to Trump being an owner of the Bills are staunch Liberals. Coincidence? Most likely no.

 

Having said that, I also share some of the criticisms, I do believe he is an egomaniac, I do believe that he can be extremely petty and just like most other business men, he is not always as successful as some make him out to be.

 

In regards to what sort of owner he'd be, I think it's a mixed bag. From my perspective, I think there is a risk that he could be a meddler a' la a Jerry Jones. I also think that with Trump we also run the risk of him bringing some negative publicity, I mean look at all the froth coming from peoples mouths when the name Trump is brought up, he has the uncanny ability to elicit this sort of response. And to be fair, he does bring it upon himself and provides plenty of ammunition for his detractors.

 

On the other hand, he does seem to be a "winner", he holds people accountable and I believe that he would do everything in his power to bring a winning team, which means he may be more apt to spending more money to get the pieces necessary.

 

He's not my first choice, but I absolutely welcome him to the effort of keeping the Bills here in Buffalo.

[thebandit27]

Of the top 20 on the list - at first glance without doing ANY research, 9 of the 20 come from family money. Koch, Waltons, Mars just to name a few. Buffet is debatable.

 

is that almost all?

 

To be clear: this was started because you "fixed" a post to say that most successful business men inherited their fortunes. It's not true:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2013/09/18/how-self-made-forbes-400-billionaires-earned-their-money/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/04/20/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-not-inherited-their-wealth-2/

 

It's also worth noting that many of the "inheritors" on Forbes' list are multiple beneficiaries of the same fortune (i.e. the 6 Waltons). Extending the list down to "other" billionaires, as you'll read in the first link, protracts the data set to include even more self-made wealth.

 

That's the only point I was trying to make...apologies for sending the thread off track with it.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Donald would be a fine owner of the Bills.

You mean he would be a fined owner, regularly.

[jo39416]

The amount of vitriol coming from some posters is pretty funny. The majority of the ones that are adamantly opposed to Trump being an owner of the Bills are staunch Liberals. Coincidence? Most likely no.

 

Having said that, I also share some of the criticisms, I do believe he is an egomaniac, I do believe that he can be extremely petty and just like most other business men, he is not always as successful as some make him out to be.

 

In regards to what sort of owner he'd be, I think it's a mixed bag. From my perspective, I think there is a risk that he could be a meddler a' la a Jerry Jones. I also think that with Trump we also run the risk of him bringing some negative publicity, I mean look at all the froth coming from peoples mouths when the name Trump is brought up, he has the uncanny ability to elicit this sort of response. And to be fair, he does bring it upon himself and provides plenty of ammunition for his detractors.

 

On the other hand, he does seem to be a "winner", he holds people accountable and I believe that he would do everything in his power to bring a winning team, which means he may be more apt to spending more money to get the pieces necessary.

 

He's not my first choice, but I absolutely welcome him to the effort of keeping the Bills here in Buffalo.

 

I agree with the everything you said, save the first sentence. Card carrying member of the GOP (although admittedly much more old school that today allows for) and see him more in the mold of Dan Snyder, which worries me.

 

To be clear: this was started because you "fixed" a post to say that most successful business men inherited their fortunes. It's not true:

 

http://www.forbes.co...ed-their-money/

http://www.forbes.co...their-wealth-2/

 

It's also worth noting that many of the "inheritors" on Forbes' list are multiple beneficiaries of the same fortune (i.e. the 6 Waltons). Extending the list down to "other" billionaires, as you'll read in the first link, protracts the data set to include even more self-made wealth.

 

That's the only point I was trying to make...apologies for sending the thread off track with it.

 

I would love for you to show me where I said that.

 

I simply stated that it was much easier for folks who inherit there money to come back from bankruptcies. If you would like to argue the finer points of bankruptcy law, I am happy to have that conversation, albeit most of my knowledge is on the tax side.

Edited May 28, 2014 by jo39416

[Ronin]

F that. This team has been a national joke for going on 30 years -- adding the court's jester as the owner would only reinforce that narrative.

 

Your primary point aside, 30 years brings us to 1984.

 

This team was hardly a joke from the late '80s thru the mid '90s. It was an NFL force to be reckoned with.

 

It's been a joke for the years that Polian's players didn't dominate the roster. That's when it was a joke.

 

Oh, by the way, did I mention that our former fearless leader Ralph Wilson thought that it was a good idea to fire Polian.

[Homey D. Clown]

There is next to no chance he even comes close to buying the Bills. His outward tone about his potential bid is very defeatist in nature, which means he's just using this to gain publicity, and nothing more. He publicly admits he'll put in a bid he's not very confident will be enough. Then why bother? I think it's going to be the best thing for the team in the end if he doesn't end up as the new owner. I want a guy to own the team with both guns drawn at the opposition, with a passion to win, a passion to restore the pride in Buffalo. Someone who after he wins the bid flips off Jon Bon Jovi, and the likes of Jerry Jones. Any one of us on this board would do exactly that if we had the money. That's what us fans deserve, and that's what this whiny league needs. an owner who represents the tough city in which we all came from, not a kitty-footed, media hungry comb-over douche. If he does buy the team, I hope I'm wrong about him.

[Malazan]

Throughout his career, "The Donald" has provided funds and support both visibly and quietly to a significant number of causes and non-profit organizations.

 

How much beyond the amount he could write off on his taxes?

[T master]

Plus his business is land development . With the Bills in need of a new stadium what better reason to bring in a owner that has said he would be willing to invest some of his money into the project ...

 

Seems like a perfect fit to me ..

[jo39416]

How much beyond the amount he could write off on his taxes?

 

At the risk of pissing off both the left and right on this board:

 

a) I am not sure why this consideration should even be made. Most very wealthy individuals do structure donations in the most tax efficient way possible, and I don't think we should ostracize those individuals for doing so. Most very wealthy people give for several reasons, the first is usually somewhat self serving and that the building of a legacy. The second is a real feeling of community and feeling that they want to give something back to those that need help. My guess is Trump's reasons are both (although I would guess the legacy is slightly more weighted).

b) Likely he has not received tax deductions for all of his deductions, and depending on how things have been structured, he may have received only a small portion of deduction relative to what was given. My guess is he has set up a charitable trust of some sort and the vast majority of his donations have been made out of that, but just guessing.

 

Long and short, like I said before, I feel as though he is our best (worst) option.