BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) We are picking Reiff/DeCastro in round 1. If they are both gone that would be quite a bad thing but one or both should still be there . There are 15-20 receivers in this draft with good talent. There are not very many starting tackles. Take the lineman or you don't get one.. Simple as that. Edited April 4, 2012 by MOVALLEYRANDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Until I saw what happened to Bell I would have disagreed with you. Now I don't care whether or not Rieff is expected to be Elite. I'll take solid and ready to start somewhere soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Hmmm....drafting an OT at #10 is intriguing, and certainly fills a need, but have you heard of that kid from Notre Dame, Michael Floyd? Word on the street is that he is "the bee's knees," as the kids say these days. Edited April 4, 2012 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Just like bulaga a few yrs back, Reiff will not be the pick. Why, because you dont take Right tackles and guards in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Man this draft will be interesting. Who else is not enamored with Floyd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Im not on the floyd wagon. Id take Ingram/ gilmore then jeffrey @ 41. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 We are picking Reiff/DeCastro in round 1. If they are both gone that would be quite a bad thing but one or both should still be there . There are 15-20 receivers in this draft with good talent. There are not very many starting tackles. Take the lineman or you don't get one.. Simple as that. What do you think of Floyd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Man this draft will be interesting. Who else is not enamored with Floyd? I'm not. I know it's not scientific, but I get a really bad vibe from watching interviews with that guy. If the Bills are forced to stay at #10, then I hope they take the BPA without troubled histories in DeCastro, Ingram or Keuchly. I don't think it will be a DB since even if they are good, they're basically unaffordable after their rookie contracts are up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Drafting a player, especially the 2nd or 3rd best one, based only on need has never backed fired. Signed, JP Losman, James Hardy, and John McCargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan32 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Im not on the floyd wagon. Id take Ingram/ gilmore then jeffrey @ 41. me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Drafting a player, especially the 2nd or 3rd best one, based only on need has never backed fired. Signed, JP Losman, James Hardy, and John McCargo Well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Drafting a player, especially the 2nd or 3rd best one, based only on need has never backed fired. Signed, JP Losman, James Hardy, and John McCargo You should add Eric Flowers & Travares Tillman to that list. Which in itself is a stupid analogy, because we can point to draft busts of the top picks, and it didn't matter whether they were taken for need or BPA. Bottom line is that if you have a good scouting department and competent guys doing the selection, you'll do a better job on draft day, no matter whether you look for need or BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GASH STATION Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Drafting a player, especially the 2nd or 3rd best one, based only on need has never backed fired. Signed, JP Losman, James Hardy, and John McCargo Somewhere MIke Williams, Aaron Maybin and Leodis McKelvin are smiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 1333559436[/url]' post='2430039']We are picking Reiff/DeCastro in round 1. If they are both gone that would be quite a bad thing but one or both should still be there . There are 15-20 receivers in this draft with good talent. There are not very many starting tackles. Take the lineman or you don't get one.. Simple as that. Great post!!!!!! Or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Why not wait and take NaTe Potter later, he at least actually projects to be a LEFT tackle. No reiff, no decastro, and no ILB like keuchly @ 10. Take an Olb, Cb, or WR (not floyd). Remember, we only have one pick per rd for rds 1-3. The way I see it, we should go cb/olb, then wr, qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You should add Eric Flowers & Travares Tillman to that list. Which in itself is a stupid analogy, because we can point to draft busts of the top picks, and it didn't matter whether they were taken for need or BPA. Bottom line is that if you have a good scouting department and competent guys doing the selection, you'll do a better job on draft day, no matter whether you look for need or BPA. Are we forgetting Whitner at #8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Are we forgetting Whitner at #8? That was probably a reach as well but he at least was a decent player for us. He also looked really good playing for the Niners last year behind a pass rush and knocking out receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 And trigger the knee jerk panic threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Aren't you concerned about Reiff's underage drinking and resisting arrest charges from 2 years ago? Floyd isn't the only draftee with a history to overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Are we forgetting Whitner at #8? I was responding to reaching for need with the 2nd or 3rd available player. Technically Whitner doesn't count, since he was the No. 1 guy picked for the DB need, as Jauron made it clear he wanted to build his new defense around the next Mike Brown. Travares Tillman is the better example, since Bills panicked after the run on safeties in that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Aren't you concerned about Reiff's underage drinking and resisting arrest charges from 2 years ago? Floyd isn't the only draftee with a history to overcome. Shhhhh, don't interrupt his crusade with logic and facts, his head might explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Aren't you concerned about Reiff's underage drinking and resisting arrest charges from 2 years ago? Floyd isn't the only draftee with a history to overcome. I for one am horrified by the idea of underage drinking for a college kid! I can see the shame in that from my glass house! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I don't think it will be a DB since even if they are good, they're basically unaffordable after their rookie contracts are up. Uh.. this is exactly why they get drafted high.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 With the loss of Bell I instantly thought of OT.....but then I took a couple of deep breaths. I DONT want to reach...I really dont. A couple of things that I truly dont know but are bugging me..... Is Rief or Martin truly going to be a foundation at the Left Tackle spot and What is the drop off from these guys to the guys who might be available at the 2nd round pick? Just keep in mind that we got guys like Jonas Jennings in the 2nd round......and Bell and Peters were complete afterthoughts. Another thing I am really wondering is just how high the bills are on Hairston actually being the starting LT.....because if he is the guy....then what we are really looking for is a swing OT to bring along behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 With the loss of Bell I instantly thought of OT.....but then I took a couple of deep breaths. I DONT want to reach...I really dont. A couple of things that I truly dont know but are bugging me..... Is Rief or Martin truly going to be a foundation at the Left Tackle spot and What is the drop off from these guys to the guys who might be available at the 2nd round pick? Just keep in mind that we got guys like Jonas Jennings in the 2nd round......and Bell and Peters were complete afterthoughts. Another thing I am really wondering is just how high the bills are on Hairston actually being the starting LT.....because if he is the guy....then what we are really looking for is a swing OT to bring along behind him. Exactly. Is kalil the only plug and play starter? Nix said there are three guys who could start soon, but that doesn't necessarily mean immediately. If you're not getting a day 1 starter at 10 then you start Hairston. Reiff is not a day 1 starter at LEFT tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haplo848 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I hate all the posts about how we need to draft Reiff. Why would you reach for a fairly solid guard? At least pick the best guard in the draft if you're going interior lineman! Reiff is far too compact and has too short of arms to be a good OT in this league. For all the people saying that we shouldn't draft Keuchly, because we need an OLB instead of a MLB, Keuchly projects to any of the three LB spots in a 4-3. If we drafted him, he'd come in and start immediately at OLB. Gilmore, although good, is by no means BPA and therefore won't be the pick. Unless one of the elite players drop to us, if the Bills go BPA, it will be Keuchly, Decastro, or Floyd. If they go for need, it will be Floyd, Martin or (god forbid) Reiff, or possibly Keuchly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 There is another way to fix LT- low budget free agents. Buddy has proven he can find decent lineman cheap (Pears etc) We could add 1 or 2 guys here so it's not such a huge need before the draft and give ourselves some options. Some Tackles still around include Stacey Andrews, Marc Columbo, Kirk Cousins, Adam Goldberg, Max Starks and Tony Ugoh. Not saying there are great options at LT, but adding 1 or 2 sure might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Just keep in mind that we got guys like Jonas Jennings in the 2nd round......and Bell and Peters were complete afterthoughts. Jonas Jennings was actually a 3rd rounder, btw - which only reinforces your point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Jennings Edited April 4, 2012 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 That was probably a reach as well but he at least was a decent player for us. He also looked really good playing for the Niners last year behind a pass rush and knocking out receivers. Probably was a reach, he was considered borderline first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Why not wait and take NaTe Potter later, he at least actually projects to be a LEFT tackle. No reiff, no decastro, and no ILB like keuchly @ 10. Take an Olb, Cb, or WR (not floyd). Remember, we only have one pick per rd for rds 1-3. The way I see it, we should go cb/olb, then wr, qb I partially agree. Nate Potter is a stud, from an o-line of studs that finished the year tied for 1st in sacks allowed (0.67) -Ideally, I'd take D-cups (DeCastro) @ 10, then snag Potter in a later round. That would be the makings of a terriffic O-line. I'm also encouraged by the fact that these kids would be scrimmaging top-flight pasrushers in training camp. Competing against BOTH Williams brothers, Dareus, and Mark Anderson could give young OT's/OG's a trememdous advantage coming out of the gate. Edited April 4, 2012 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Drafting a player, especially the 2nd or 3rd best one, based only on need has never backed fired. Signed, JP Losman, James Hardy, and John McCargo Co-signed, Donte Whitner and Aaron Maybin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornellBillsFan Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Im not on the floyd wagon. Id take Ingram/ gilmore then jeffrey @ 41. All S. Carolina players coming from the poster with the handle "CarolinaBill". No bias there, huh? Too funny. If the Bills take Ingram at 10 after their additions in free agency then they are complete morons. And 10 is a bit high for Gilmore too. Jeffery?? Hello James Hardy part 2!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Just like bulaga a few yrs back, Reiff will not be the pick. Why, because you dont take Right tackles and guards in the top 10. I disagree. What you say may have been the case yesterday, and that's arguable, it is not the case today. Consider the contract that the Bucs just gave to Carl Nicks. Guards are valued in today's NFL and drafting a great one in the top ten gives you a ten year starter that, because of the new CBA, gets you one at a very good contract price. Will Buffalo draft Reiff because we lost Bell? I don't think so. Buddy thinks Hairston can play. He may not be polished but I can't see them reaching for Reiff if they feel Hairston can do a creditable job this year and be that polished LT next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornellBillsFan Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Why not wait and take NaTe Potter later, he at least actually projects to be a LEFT tackle. No reiff, no decastro, and no ILB like keuchly @ 10. Take an Olb, Cb, or WR (not floyd). Remember, we only have one pick per rd for rds 1-3. The way I see it, we should go cb/olb, then wr, qb Ummm...Notre Dame/Floyd hater, you propose a WR possibly at 10?? Well who the hell is deserving othernthan Floyd at that spotnwith Blackmon gone?? And as someone stated, Kuechly can play inside or out and would start immediately. Wake up. According to you the Bills should think of nothing but S. Carolina guys. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 For the love of Marv, how many times do I have to say it.... RILEY REIFF IS A RIGHT TACKLE! He played Right Tackle in college; never Left. He has short arms. He is a Bryan Bulaga clone. Bryan Bulaga played Right Tackle in college for Iowa and still plays Right Tackle in the pros. We do not need a Right Tackle. We need a left tackle. Collegiate Left Tackles can be moved to Right Tackle and sometimes Guard. But a collegiate Right Tackle rarely (if ever) upgrades to Left Tackle in the pros. Seriously people, please stop looking at who most have projected as the next best Tackle after Matt Kallil without doing the homework as to whether or not the player is an actual fit. ....... Tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Reiff's character issues make him undraftable. (Let alone his inability to play LT in the NFL) in 2008, Reiff outran Iowa City police for 20 minutes before being arrested for public intoxication. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1695597 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 We are picking Reiff/DeCastro in round 1. If they are both gone that would be quite a bad thing but one or both should still be there . There are 15-20 receivers in this draft with good talent. There are not very many starting tackles. Take the lineman or you don't get one.. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Are we forgetting Whitner at #8? How many of our #1 picks other than Whitner have been All Pros? :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 How quickly these fickle fans forget the lessons learned from past drafts... DO NOT reach based on need in the 1st round. ESPECIALLY in the top-10. If Kalil is there, fine. Otherwise, it is Buddy's duty to the franchise to choose the most elite talent on the board with that early pick. I cant believe anyone would be willing to settle for a "lesser" player after the travesty of our drafts over the last 15 years. So many great examples listed on the first page. For shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) For the love of Marv, how many times do I have to say it.... RILEY REIFF IS A RIGHT TACKLE! He played Right Tackle in college; never Left. He has short arms. He is a Bryan Bulaga clone. Bryan Bulaga played Right Tackle in college for Iowa and still plays Right Tackle in the pros. We do not need a Right Tackle. We need a left tackle. Collegiate Left Tackles can be moved to Right Tackle and sometimes Guard. But a collegiate Right Tackle rarely (if ever) upgrades to Left Tackle in the pros. Seriously people, please stop looking at who most have projected as the next best Tackle after Matt Kallil without doing the homeworkas to whether or not the player is an actual fit. ....... Tackle. He's played LT at Iowa: Started at left tackle in all 12 games in 2011 and has started 33 consecutive games. 2010 - started all 13 games at left tackle and has 21 consecutive starts 2009 - [ Started 11 of 13 games, with three starts at left tackle, seven at left guard and final game at right tackle http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1695597/riley-reiff Even the video's on youtube are of him playing LT. Also, Bulaga: Bulaga played in 30 games at Iowa, starting 28 contests, including five at left offensive guard and 25 at left tackle … http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243680 Edited April 4, 2012 by Carey Bender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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