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Nate on the postgame mentioning how this is making him hate watching football. They have been miserable to watch since the Green Bay game.

(Sorry... this may or may not belong in Off the Wall) Is it an age thing? I don't think I can listen to anything but podcasts at this point. When I listen to music, it's just music I know that I create as Playlists on Pandora. My non-football podcasts are now down to Throughline and Freakanomics. Most of my podcasts are Bills/NFL related, though. Bruce Nolan and The Bruce Exclusive was my absolute favorite Bills podcast... but like right before the draft Buffalo Rumblings went kaput and he lost his platform. Even when he was on, it was only once a week for less than an hour... so not remotely time consuming. Which means I guess I would say Joe Marino's Locked on Bills is my favorite now. I have my gripes... primarily I just think he’s incredibly Robotic and lacks any real personality (unlike Bruce Nolan), but he tries to pretend like he has a lot of personality and he 100% knows his football with a background in scouting. He also has a daily podcast and comes up with pretty good ideas for them every day (the opposite of this would be Pat Moran's Talking Buffalo podcast, which just has a lot of useless, unentertaining time) and so I can say I legitimately listen to pretty much every episode. As for non-football podcasts, The Athletic Football Show with Robert Mayes as host (Nate Tice left just a couple weeks ago) is 100% by far the best sports (and maybe any???) podcast I've listened to. It airs 3 or 4 days a week and every show is informative and entertaining, even if it's non-Bills related. I just listened to a 90 minute podcast about the lingering questions of the NFC East and made it from beginning to end without the desire to turn it off. Mayes is a fun, knowledgeable, funny host who brings good guests on. I miss Tice, but the show hasn't missed a beat. There's also an Athletic Football show GM podcast hosted by Mike Sando featuring Randy Mueller. It's not as good but I listen to it and find it interesting and sometimes informative. Sando does a great job but Mueller has some bizarre takes sometimes... almost like he stopped watching football 15-20 years ago. A very close 2nd for the non-football podcast to listen to is The Mina Kimes show (featuring Lenny). She's an awesome host. Everything I said about Mayes applies to her. I understand there may be some bias one way or another since she's on TV, but she's really created an excellent listen for all the reasons The Athletic Football Show is. Only problem is that her's is only once or twice a week. How about you guys?

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Could Allen be Michael Jordan with the Wizards? And does that make Nate Peterman Michael Jordan during his baseball years? Who's the Michael Jordan from Space Jam? Burrow?

Please. That figure, 40th, is if you include guys like Chris Manhertz, who has two receptions on the season for a total of 16 yards. Apparently, 10 of those 16 yards were after the catch, though, so the guy must be great. Or Kenny Yeboah, near the top of the list because he's averaging 10.0 yards of YAC on his two completions for 28 yards. Guys like Lucas Krull with 8 catches, Brycen Hopkins with 3, Stone Smartt with 9, Nate Adkins with 4, Julian Hill with 5, Brenton Strange with 5, Mitchell Wilcox with 9, MyCole Pruitt with 8, Josiah Deguara with 8 and Elijah Higgins with 12 ... Throw out guys with less than 30 catches and he's about 15th in that stat, and I don't believe any of the guys above him are rooks.

Not a simulator, just my final first round and full Bills mock draft 1- Chicago - Caleb Williams, QB, USC 2- Washington - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU 3- New England - Drake Maye, QB, UNC 4- Arizona - Marvin Harrison Jr, WR, OSU 5- LA Chargers - *Trade* - Giants - JJ McCarthy, QB, UM 6- NY Giants - *Trade* - Chargers - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU 7- Tennessee - Joe Alt, OT, ND 8- Atlanta - Laiatu Latu. Edge, UCLA 9- Chicago - *Trade* - Saints - Olu Fashanu-OT, PSU 10- NY Jets - Taliese Fuaga, OT, OSU 11- Minnesota - Dallas Turner, DE, BAMA 12- Denver - *TRADE* - Eagles - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 13- Las Vegas - JC Latham, OL, BAMA 14- New Orleans - *TRADE* - Chicago - Byron Murphy, DT, Texas 15- Indianapolis - Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia 16- Seattle - Troy Fautanu, OL, UWA 17- Jacksonville - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo 18- Cincinnati - Tyler Guyton - OL - Oklahoma 19- LA Rams - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas 20- Pittsburgh - Graham Barton - OL - Duke 21- Miami - Jackson Powers Johnson, OL, Oregon 22- Philadelphia - *Trade* Broncos - AD Mitchell, WR, Texas 23- Minnesota - *TRADE* Ravens - Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona 24- Dallas - Chop Robinson, DE, PSU 25- Green Bay - Cooper Dejean, DB, Iowa 26- Tampa Bay - Jared Verse, DE, FSU 27- Arizona - Kool Aid McKistry, CB, BAMA 28- Buffalo - *TRADE* - Washington - Patrick Paul - OT, Houston 29- Detroit - Brian Thomas, WR, LSU 30- Baltimore -*TRADE* Minnesota - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan 31- San Francisco - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson 32- Kansas City - Darius Robinson, DL, Mizzou Bills pick Bills got 40 and 78 from Commanders 40- Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon 60- Trey Benson, RB, FSU 78- Ruke Ohrororo DT Clemson 108- Kam Kinchens, S, Miami Bills trade 128 and 133 to Vikings 144- Javion Cohen, OL, Miami 160- Willie Drew, DB, Virginia State 163- Luke McCaffrey, WR, Rice 200- Brennen Jackson, DE, WSU 204- MJ Devonshire, CB, Pitt 248- Ryan Flournoy, WR, SEMU

Now do 2023 alone. I was listening to the Locked On Podcast from yesterday with Joe Marino, who had Nate Geary on as a guest. Anyone not familiar with Geary... dude knows his stuff. Geary said that Josh Allen (as of yesterday) has the 2nd best TD:TO ratio in 2023 and it's pretty much ignored by everyone. You did the math since 2018. Do the math for this year alone. Pretty much shatters your narrative as far as 2023 goes.

It's something into am cheering for, and honeslty I'd even attend if the games were closer. Something fun to do with the kids. But that means it needs to be cheap, which means no revenue... How do you attract good players if you can't pay them? NCAA is the NFL farm system, has been for decades, and now, as was mentioned by ControllerofPlanetX, with NIL deals in place, most of these guys won't be incentivized to play in any league but the NFL. Obviously unless there's no other choice. As was mentioned, the only way for it to be viable is a true connection to the NFL either with allocation of players, or some revenue deal to bolster it's ability to draw in better players. I mean if you really want to think about how inferior the QB play is, Nate Peterman is statistically one of the worst QBs in NFL history, and he's on a roster... The dudes in the XFL and USFL were considered downgrades to that lol. I mean I want it to do well, hell I wish Buffalo still had an Arena team, that too would be fun and different, but I'm not sure how it's gonna happen. And frankly I'm not invested enough to pay money for it via streaming or something so I don't see where their revenue is gonna come from.... But if the Bills allocated 10-15 dudes to play there I would absolutely watch, and probably pay a nominal fee. But at the end of the day where's the benefit to the NFL? They can develop these guys at their own pace in their own training camps safely without worrying that they're going to get blown up in the off-season and that players done. It's a double edge sword... They're also are NFLPA concerns and salary cap discussions to be had with a partnership.

And on the 4th and 20, all Nate Clements had to do was knock it down but he went for the INT, it went thru his hands and the receiver made a great catch along the sideline. Sound familiar?

They beat the Chiefs their last game. Its good to keep up with events. The Broncos have been solid for a number of weeks now. They have started shaking off the Nate Hackett stank.

To be fair tons of kids are bullied no matter what your last name is Doesn't make it right but I guarantee there was a hundred other kids at orchard Park getting bullied Every single professional coach who has a child whether they're a football coach or basketball coach or a hockey coach etc Has to deal with stuff like that You don't think Nate hackett's kids probably get roasted in New York City because how inept his dad is? They are probably massive targets It's not just a buffalo thing

You know you're right. I didn't count that year cuz it was total purge and reload year and I didn't realize Josh started/played in that many games. I remember going to two games that year. The Bears when Nasty Nate started and the Cheats when Derek Anderson started. Then there was also the legendary Barkley start vs the Jets. That was an ugly but necessary season that catapulted us into 4 straight playoff seasons, hopefully 5 or more.

That Jags game in week 1 was lost when Nate Clements tried for a pick on 4th and long and he deflected the ball to the receiver. If he had just knocked it down, the Bills would have been in the playoffs. Yes, it still bothers me.

So I'm not saying I'm an advocate for drafting Keon Coleman in the 1st or anything, but I think way too much is being made of his 40 time at the Combine. I realize all I'm going by is highlights, but his play speed looks plenty fine to me. First play at 18 seconds shows him plenty fast and elusive enough. Play at 1:51 looks like a guy with more agility and route running than Gabe. The next play (that you see from the All-22 at 2:10) shows pretty good route running ability along with the speed to separate from the defender. At 2:41 you see him used in a Bubble Screen with enough speed and agility to get away from the defender and get into the EZ. Watch his Punt return at 3:00 and tell me that a guy at that size returning a punt like that isn't impressive. Another effective Bubble Screen at 1:03 Effective WR screen behind the LOS at 1:30 I'm going to stop there. I've been listening to a lot of sports podcasts lately that aren't just Bills ones. Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. First Draft with Field Yates and Mel Kiper Jr. The Athletic Football Podcast with Nate Tice and (sometimes) Dane Brugler. What you hear a lot about the scouting process is the phrase "grade the flashes." Basically, grade those players in their best moments. Keon Coleman in his best moments looks like a 1st round WR, to me. All that said, I do think his draft stock is down after the 40 time, so if we drafted Coleman, what I'd like to see us do is actually trade DOWN into the top of the 2nd and acquire more draft picks and use those other draft picks to slingshot up for more picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round because there's supposed to be a significant drop off in talent after the middle rounds.

Here are the 2023 MVP voters: Emmanuel Acho, FS1 Greg Auman, Fox Sports Howard Balzer, PHNX radio Jarrett Bell, USA Today Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press Tom Brady, Fox Sports Tedy Bruschi, ESPN Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston Charles Davis, CBS Sports Nate Davis, USA Today Howard Deneroff, Westwood One Tony Dungy, NBC Sports Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia Rich Gannon, SiriusXM Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports Lindsay Jones, The Ringer Mike Jones, The Athletic Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan(dot)com Mina Kimes, ESPN Peter King, NBC Sports Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM Jeff Legwold, ESPN Jim Miller, SiriusXM Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus Bruce Murray, SiriusXM Gary Myers, NFL author Laura Okmin, Fox Sports Dan Orlovsky, ESPN Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM Dan Pompei, The Athletic Nora Princiotti, The Ringer Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports Dianna Russini, The Athletic Mike Sando, The Athletic Aaron Schatz, FTN Network Adam Schein, CBS Sports Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Chris Simms, NBC Sports Armando Salguero, Outkick(dot)com Mike Tirico, NBC Sports Ben Volin, Boston Globe Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk

Nate Geary had this discussion on the Extra Point Show last night and basically echoed this sentiment. Take away the Bucs game and since Week 5, he's got 6 catches on 17 targets for 83 yards. That's it. It's pathetic. Even with the Bucs game, he's only got 15 catches on 29 targets for 170 and a TD.

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Head Coach: Tom Flores Offensive Coordinator: James Lofton Defensive Coordinator: Jim Cheyunski Special Teams Coordinator: Steve Tasker Offensive Line Coach: Jim Ritcher Wide Receiver Coach: Eric Moulds Tight Ends Coach: Pete Metzelaars Quarter Back Coach: Ryan Fitzpatrick Running Backs Coach: Fred Jackson Defensive Line Coach: Ted Washington Linebackers Coach: Bryce Paup Safeties Coach: Henry Jones Defensive Backs Coach: Butch Byrd Cornerbacks Coach: Nate Clements

I voted Nate Clements. Dude was lockdown

Why Nate got my vote as well!

Agreed on OBL, when we're playing like this, they are impossible to listen to. Props to Nate Geary last night.. his monologue post game was cathartic.

I really don't understand the belief that Rodgers is super loyal to people like Nate Hackett and Tim Boyle. Boyle played two years with Rodgers, he was third string one year and second string the next. Rodgers probably barely knew Boyle existed. Same with Hackett. He was OC for two years with Rodgers and didn't even call plays, Matt Lefleur did. This year Hackett's offense has scored 10 TDs all season, the same as the Dolphins scored in one game. Hackett's offenses have been historically bad for two years in a row. Why would Rodgers refuse to play without Hackett and Boyle?

49ers are the best in the league but eagles and chiefs are right there. I’d kill to be in the Rams position. I just want one trophy. Nate Geary nailed it on his show. You can’t fight fate. That miraculous FG was always going to go in. We are just cursed. You knew that FG was going to go in too deep down in your soul if you were being honest, just admit it. There was never a doubt. If it was against any of the other franchises, there would’ve been some drama with it. It’s an awful feeling knowing it’s just not meant to be.

Not much love for Nate Odomes, but he's my fave.

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