2018* QB Draft

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Is really shaping up to be the greatest of all time. There are 2 HOFers so far and Baker’s stock is rapidly rising. Sam Darnold is still young enough to turn it around, but is also trending upwards although no where near the former. No SB appearances really hurt this group. Pure production is astronomical. 
 

Where do you see this draft compared to the 83 QB class ? There are 2 SB wins in that group but also there TEN appearances which is incredible. Elway and Marino are 2 of the most physical talented QBs of all time and Jim Kelly was no slouch when it came to arm talent. I always find it funny that Buffalo managed to nab quarterbacks from each of the greatest classes. 

Edited September 27 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Virgil]

So you're sayin Rosen still has time to turn it around and be the right Josh?  Sweet!

[Kirby Jackson]

That was 2018. 2017 was Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson.

[skibum]

2018 vs. 1983: Pretty equal if you ask me!

 

Allen - Elway

Lamar - Marino (not terms of playing style, but as in talent vs. results)

Baker - Kelly

Darnold - Ken O'Brien

Rudolph - Tony Eason

Rosen - Todd Blackledge

[Albany,n.y.]

2020 was a pretty good year:
Burrow

Tagovailoa

Herbert

Love 

Hurts.  

 

All starters with Hurts winning a Super Bowl & Burrow playing in one.  Tua is the weakest link and he's still tons better than the 5th QB in either 2018 or 1983.  

[Dan Darragh]

To think that 2 HOF quarterbacks were selected with Buffalo's pick in consecutive years.

[chris heff]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

2020 was a pretty good year:
Burrow

Tagovailoa

Herbert

Love 

Hurts.  

 

All starters with Hurts winning a Super Bowl & Burrow playing in one.  Tua is the weakest link and he's still tons better than the 5th QB in either 2018 or 1983.  

Burrow, good, maybe great, Tagovailoa, probably bounces around the league, Herbert, good, maybe great, and “Love hurts, ooh, ooh, love hurts”.

Edited September 24 by chris heff

[machine gun kelly]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That was 2018. 2017 was Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson.

I wasn’t going to say it to knuckles, but you’re right.  I’m sure an honest mistake.

 

Knuckles, you are right, 18 was a special class as I’m guessing that was your intent.

[MJS]

I was confused. Why was 2017 so great, haha.

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That was 2018. 2017 was Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson.

4 hours ago, skibum said:

2018 vs. 1983: Pretty equal if you ask me!

 

Allen - Elway

Lamar - Marino (not terms of playing style, but as in talent vs. results)

Baker - Kelly

Darnold - Ken O'Brien

Rudolph - Tony Eason

Rosen - Todd Blackledge

1983 is still clearly better, in my opinion. We're talking 11 superbowl appearances. Four of them got there. There was a 1983 drafted QB in the superbowl for 11 straight years. Three of them are in the hall of fame.

Edited September 24 by MJS

[4th&long]

I'd say 1983 is better at this point but there is still plenty of time for the 2018 class to overtake them. 

Edited September 24 by 4th&long

[mbs]

5 hours ago, skibum said:

2018 vs. 1983: Pretty equal if you ask me!

 

Allen - Elway

Lamar - Marino (not terms of playing style, but as in talent vs. results)

Baker - Kelly

Darnold - Ken O'Brien

Rudolph - Tony Eason

Rosen - Todd Blackledge

With the possible exception of Allen/Elway, and maybe a push for Lamar/Marino (I still take Marino,) 1983 was much better in each of these matchups. The last comp only because Rosen was a cavalcade of awful.

[Another Fan]

7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Is really shaping up to be the greatest of all time. There are 2 HOFers so far and Baker’s stock is rapidly rising. Sam Darnold is still young enough to turn it around, but is also trending upwards although no where near the former. No SB appearances really hurt this group. Pure production is astronomical. 
 

Where do you see this draft compared to the 83 QB class ? There are 2 SB wins in that group but also there TEN appearances which is incredible. Elway and Marino are 2 of the most physical talented QBs of all time and Jim Kelly was no slouch when it came to arm talent. I always find it funny that Buffalo managed to nab quarterbacks from each of the greatest classes. 

Since I don't follow college football much I'm really not much interested in the draft.  I mean and I remember thinking EJ Manuel was a good choice at the time.  So yeah that was where I kind of stopped following all together and making judgments based on the picks.

 

Still the Bills were in the market for a QB that draft and it was even at the time one thought of as one of the hottest drafts for QB's ever.  It was the last draft I remember watching most the 1st round of.  

[Dr.Sack]

7 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

2020 was a pretty good year:
Burrow

Tagovailoa

Herbert

Love 

Hurts.  

 

All starters with Hurts winning a Super Bowl & Burrow playing in one.  Tua is the weakest link and he's still tons better than the 5th QB in either 2018 or 1983.  

Take the best attributes of each one of these QBs and you have a legit NFL QB at Mahomes, Lamar or Allen’s level. 

[BillsFanForever19]

Like others have said, you're thinking of the 2018 Draft. 

 

Even still, as good as Josh and Lamar are - I don't look at Baker and Darnold as Superstars. They've certainly improved from Busts and Baker has improved greatly into an above average QB. But neither are in Josh's and Lamar's league. 

 

All this to say, at the moment, I don't think it tops the 1983 QB Class of John Elway, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino. That's 3 Hall of Fame, all time legend QB's in the same Draft. I'd even say to this point that Ken O'Brien is equal to or greater than Sam Darnold.

 

And I think it's too soon to call Josh and Lamar sure fire Hall of Famers. It's definitely trending that way. But if something catastrophic were to happen to either, I'm not sure it's a given they'd get into the Hall of Fame just based on what they've done so far.

Edited September 25 by BillsFanForever19

[K-9]

2 hours ago, mbs said:

With the possible exception of Allen/Elway, and maybe a push for Lamar/Marino (I still take Marino,) 1983 was much better in each of these matchups. The last comp only because Rosen was a cavalcade of awful.

“Cavalcade of awful.” Nice.

[4merper4mer]

10 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

To think that 2 HOF quarterbacks were selected with Buffalo's pick in consecutive years.

Not really.  If Mahomes was selected with Buffalo’s pick in 2017, then Allen was selected with Tampa’s pick in 2018.

[TheBrownBear]

What's wild is that Cleveland had their pick of any of those top 4 and now they're starting Joe Flacco while the Big Four are thriving for other teams. That's got to sting. Same thing for the Jets to a lesser extent.

[NeverOutNick]

11 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

To think that 2 HOF quarterbacks were selected with Buffalo's pick in consecutive years.

3 HOFers in 4 years if you count Justin Jefferson…

[Dan Darragh]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Not really.  If Mahomes was selected with Buffalo’s pick in 2017, then Allen was selected with Tampa’s pick in 2018.

Yeh, I used to be a lawyer too but I got over it.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

13 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I wasn’t going to say it to knuckles, but you’re right.  I’m sure an honest mistake.

 

Knuckles, you are right, 18 was a special class as I’m guessing that was your intent.

Yes, I meant 2018. But as people pointed out the 17 class was not too shabby either. 

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Like others have said, you're thinking of the 2018 Draft. 

 

Even still, as good as Josh and Lamar are - I don't look at Baker and Darnold as Superstars. They've certainly improved from Busts and Baker has improved greatly into an above average QB. But neither are in Josh's and Lamar's league. 

 

All this to say, at the moment, I don't think it tops the 1983 QB Class of John Elway, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino. That's 3 Hall of Fame, all time legend QB's in the same Draft. I'd even say to this point that Ken O'Brien is equal to or greater than Sam Darnold.

 

And I think it's too soon to call Josh and Lamar sure fire Hall of Famers. It's definitely trending that way. But if something catastrophic were to happen to either, I'm not sure it's a given they'd get into the Hall of Fame just based on what they've done so far.

No homerism involved. I truly & honestly believe if Allen retired at the end of this season, he would be a HOFer. I feel like he revolutionized the position and his numbers are just too good. If Sterling Sharpe can get in then Allen definitely can.