Is Our WR Corps Good?

[london_bills]

Just finished watching the game on catch-up. Joshua Palmer is definitely good! 

[HardyBoy]

5 hours ago, appoo said:

“Stepped out of bounds” you mean illegally shoved out of the back of the end zone 

 

5 hours ago, djp14150 said:

They should have called illegal contact on that play. Last time I checked back of EZ us more than t yds from LOS

 

Allen was out of the pocket, once a qb scrambles, illegal contact past five yards isn't a thing anymore... was a really good defensive play

 

I texted people I almost thought Coleman should have stopped, but what if there was a tip... then there was a tip on that 4th down play and he made the catch... crazy!

 

[Since1981]

Palmer 

 

our D faced their worst nfl matchup. 
our O faced their worst nfl matchup. 
 

both won. Wow. 

[henry jones]

Shakir = Shakir

Coleman (2025) > Coleman (2024)

Kincaid (2025) > Kincaid (2024)

Palmer > Samuel

 

Aside from that, they still would've benefited with someone that can take the top off the defense.

[NoSaint]

They are likely a below average unit that benefitted hugely from Josh. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't want to be the wet blanket all the time

 

But the deciding factors today were the Ravens inexplicably deciding to play off and Allen going nuclear, not the quality of our wrs

This staff needs to get over Diggs and get Josh a true #1 WR sooner than later.

 

I wouldnt be shocked if another 3rd round pick was trade for a WR before the deadline.   But... that would mean Beane trades back out of the 1st to get the 3rd rounder back he wastes on another under, or non, performing D lineman

Edited September 8 by SoonerBillsFan

[Magox]

It's always the same ninny's with the same tired arguments yet the offense keeps plugging away historic-like numbers.

 

The offense will just continue to keep burying defenses.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Rodney "I always pick against the Bills" Harrison gave all the credit to the Ravens backing off on D. Dude is such a little baby. 

Buffalo decided to actually go downfield, what a concept. This oline is great and Allen is elusive. Chuck that thing. 

[SoMAn]

As a unit they're average at best.

Shakir is a baller and a reliable target. I'm still not sold on Coleman. The knock on Gabe Davis was his limited route running ability. How is Coleman an improvement in that regard? 

I can only imagine Josh with an truly elite receiver that requires constant double teams.  And yes, Diggs was really good, but elite? I don't know. 

 

[WNYFAN1]

7 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

For some unknown reason The Ravens started playing soft with the 15 point lead and the Bills are a good team and took full advantage of it

 

Oh and Alexander is washed lol

This 100%. Just unbelievably bad coaching by the Ravens that the Bills took full advantage of.

[galept]

20 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Rodney "I always pick against the Bills" Harrison gave all the credit to the Ravens backing off on D. Dude is such a little baby. 

Buffalo decided to actually go downfield, what a concept. This oline is great and Allen is elusive. Chuck that thing. 

 

I didn't like that clip at all, not giving us any flowers for some super clutch plays. He was clearly disappointed that they lost.

 

With that said, he had good company thinking this was Ravens' game to lose, including half this board.

[Warriorspikes51]

they were late in the game

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't want to be the wet blanket all the time

 

But the deciding factors today were the Ravens inexplicably deciding to play off and Allen going nuclear, not the quality of our wrs

Yeah and teams do this crap all the time. Stop playing the defense that has been successful and start playing soft to chew clock. Ravens fans have to be livid

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Baltimore has maybe the best secondary in the league so this was always going to be a tough game to evaluate. But the separation just wasn't there until the very end.
 

 

A big part of that was the way Brady was calling the game.  Way too many behind the LOS and short throws - and not because they were dump offs, they were immediate quick strike play calls.  Our biggest issue offensively this game had a lot to do with how Brady was calling the game.  But credit to him as they eventually adjusted and things got a lot better.

 

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

And when they had opportunities to make individual plays they couldn't do it. Shakir had a chance to make a big catch on 3rd down but dropped it after contact.
 

 

Guys made plenty of individual plays, and the one by Shakir you’re mentioning wasn’t a drop.  Allen threw the ball directly to Kyle Hamilton leading Shakir -- and maybe the best safety in the game hit Shakir and hit him early on what should have been PI.  To call that a drop by Shakir is wild to me.  

 

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Coleman stepped out of bounds before his 2PC, then failed to make a contested catch on the next try.

 

Coleman didn’t step out of bounds he was shoved out of bounds trying to adjust for Allen while he was escaping pressure. 

 

And on the next 2 point try, not only was their PI by Wiggins, but that was a bad throw by Allen and one I assure you Allen wants back.  Coleman is covered by Wiggins on a fade route and has a huge size advantage over Wiggins, the entire reason they went to Keon on that try.  But Allen threw a flat bullet right at his midsection where Wiggins was able to disrupt the play instead of putting the ball (like he was supposed to) where Keon can use his size advantage and grab the ball.  Allen was upset with himself after that 2 pt attempt even.  

 

More importantly, it was a terrible play call, even the announcers said it -- why throw the fade there and take away Allens super powers of having his legs and size as an additional way to convert.  To just snap and chuck a fade is a coin flip type play, just a terrible call on such an important 2 point conversion attempt. 

 

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Palmer supposedly has these great separation metrics but none of that showed up tonight.

 

No disrespect, but how can you say this when Palmer showed it multiple times including some key routes and catches during our come back?  

 

That being said, on the INT that got overturned for hitting the ground, I have no idea WTF Palmer was doing on that play, he made no effort on the ball to even prevent the INT attempt or catch and didn't react until he thought the ball was picked off.  That looked like he had a total mental lapse on that play and not sure if that was some confusion or miscue between him and Josh or what.  But I was pissed at Palmer on that play for sure.  

 

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

The one bright spot was Coleman heating up in the 2nd half. We saw glimpses of the guy that had reportedly been dominating training camp, and he and Allen clearly have developed a good connection that should only get better from here. I'm not sure that is going to be enough though.

 

I think the chemistry is going to continue to grow, and Coleman was getting open earlier in the game too, including on 3rd and goal where Allen could have hit him for 6 but threw it elsewhere and we had to settle for a FG.  I think it just took a while for the offense to settle and Brady to adjust in this game.

 

 

Edited September 8 by Alphadawg7

[BuffaloRebound]

Hard to tell since the play-calling was so conservative the first 3+ quarters, but we definitely look more explosive than last year.  If teams are gonna sell out stopping the run, Brady now has the weapons to open it up.  

[balln]

7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Our starting wide receivers combined for over 200 yards receiving against the Ravens - a total that last year's wideouts didn't often achieve.  Is this a better receiving corps?

 

Coleman  8/112

Shakir  6/64

Palmer  5/61

 

How do we explain their productivity?  Weak Raven secondary?  Good scheme and play-calling by Brady?  Josh makes any receiver look good?  Or do these guys have some legit talent?   

 

Your thoughts?

 

No I don’t think they’re “good.” The stats are above are pure game script related.

 

keon will be high variance production. I think he’ll be like a gabe Davis catch / target % (50-60 % throws are completed) 

 

Palmer is an acceptable wr 3/4 playing 2

 

Shakir is a top slot maybe 20-30 overall

Moore is gadget 

 

shavers st/blocking only 

 

Samuel is not dressing. I actually still hold out hope for him- bc he has juice. And he showed out last year down the stretch when healthy 

[JerseyBills]

I love the confidence Josh has in Keon and the offense season hype was real , he had 2 phenomenal catches- the TD and jump ball on the sideline and just looked superb and confident. Was so impressed with him , he looked like a true WR1 

 

Palmer is a legit WR2 vet and also caused that huge p.i call where he made a vet move , would've been pi anyway most likely but he made sure to leave no doubts, that connection will only improve 

 

Shakir is a stud, not great #s but we attacked the boundaries this game,  his footwork is a joy to watch . 

 

After that I'm not too high or low on anyone yet but yes this is the best 3 WR corp of the Allen era, including Diggs/Brown/Beasley 

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Zero problems with the officiating night. They let both sides play. They had one bad spot on Allen's slide and nothing else to complain about.

 

7 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’ll take a closer look at what we did in our secondary that may be true and I missed it…if that’s the case I’d amend it to Coleman would’ve been unstoppable in that game if there was a tighter whistle both ways 

 

I do remember the play where benford had a hand on somebody’s shoulder pad but the ravens looked like they were getting away with a lot of jersey pulls/hooks to me..  that late dpi Coleman drew felt kinda like a makeup to me

 

 

There were a lot of missed calls by the refs tonight, especially PI, but it was on both sides of the ball.  Ravens got a away with a lot of PI throughout the game -- but also so did we, Benford for example should have been called for PI/Holding several times, including a big 3rd down stop where the ball was over thrown but the replay shows Benford was holding the WR by the horse collar most the route which was prob why the ball was over thrown.  Even on the Hopkins TD he was holding Hopkins left arm for like 5 yards on that catch. 

 

But, like I said, refs some important PI calls on both sides, so it balanced out, although I do think that some of the PI calls they missed on the Ravens hurt us more as they were on some pretty important downs that led to drives ending.  

[Fan in Chicago]

If is fashionable and hip on this board to keep harping that our WRs are "not good". That is only true if you are comparing individual WRs to the likes of Chase, Higgins , Nacua etc. 

This has now become a lazy take despite the WRs making some really good catches last night. 

My argument is not that our top 2 receivers are better than any others in the league. It should be totally evident by now that it is NOT the Bills' MO. 

Frustrating for some posters in here to point to a few drops last night to support their preconceived notion that the Bills' WRs suck.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

There were a lot of missed calls by the refs tonight, especially PI, but it was on both sides of the ball.  Ravens got a away with a lot of PI throughout the game -- but also so did we, Benford for example should have been called for PI/Holding several times, including a big 3rd down stop where the ball was over thrown but the replay shows Benford was holding the WR by the horse collar most the route which was prob why the ball was over thrown.  Even on the Hopkins TD he was holding Hopkins left arm for like 5 yards on that catch. 

 

But, like I said, refs some important PI calls on both sides, so it balanced out, although I do think that some of the PI calls they missed on the Ravens hurt us more as they were on some pretty important downs that led to drives ending.  

Yea that could be I’m gonna watch again and look closer…the ravens dbs really seem to take it a step further to me in real time but I’ll try to be as objective as possible on a rewatch 😁

 

feels like the bills dbs will put hands on guys and not really grab or turn them much and the ravens push the envelope a bit further and will grab a lot of jerseys 

Edited September 8 by Generic_Bills_Fan