Derrick Henry gets 2 year $30m Dollar Extension ($25m guaranteed).

[Malazan]

Cook's "asking price" has been 20m so not sure how it can "go up" from this. It doesn't change my expectations on what his deal ends up being.

[BigDingus]

I'm just happy elite RBs are finally getting paid again. 

 

People have been treating the position like anyone is easily replaced, yet time & time again RBs come along that prove this untrue. Henry & Saquon deserve to be paid like the star players they are. 

 

It's why I'm annoyed that Bills fans don't want to pay James Cook $13 - $15 million a year. After wasting years of Josh Allen's career trying to find a running game, they finally found a guy that can provide one. For a position that's supposedly a "dime a dozen" & easy to replace, the Bills failed time & time again to establish a legit run game. 

 

Meanwhile, under-performing defensive players, who were already getting paid more than Cook (despite Cook having significantly higher impact on the team's success) get extended & paid way more. Buffalo just extended Rousseau to a $20 million a year contract... with his whopping 6 sacks a season. But nah, don't pay the guy who contributed 1,200+ yards & 18 total TDs, because he's "JUST" a RB.

 

And this is after Josh Allen's passing numbers dropped significantly, which in turn reduced his huge amount of turnovers, leading to our best scoring offense ever, all because we had a reliable run game. But instead we'll extend defensive players that didn't do jack against the Chiefs in the playoffs (again).

 

You know who DID carry his weight in the playoffs? James Cook.

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Performance to date isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to contract. Often times, it's not even the most important thing. Age, injury history, and envisioned increased role from signing team from original team (ie there will be teams that view Cook as a 3 Down Back) play into money just as much and more all things considered. If Henry were Cook's age and had Cook's clean bill of health, he'd be surpassing Barkley's price of 21m per.

 

I've said it once, i'll say it a million times. it's fair to say you personally wouldn't pay a RB what Cook is going to get in the open market. But it's ridiculous for people to simply point at one thing or another in a vacuum to argue he's worth less. If many of you get your wish and he ends up signing elsewhere, it's not going to be anywhere near what some of you argue his market value is.

What we're concerned with is what the Bills should be paying him.  If the Bills plan to continue to use him as a 50% snap RB, which is what it looks like with the current stable of RBs being the same as last year, then the Bills would want to pay him for that role.

 

It's not many of us wish that he signs elsewhere, it may be a lot of posters wish that Cook would embrace the role he has.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Einstein's Dog said:

What we're concerned with is what the Bills should be paying him.  If the Bills plan to continue to use him as a 50% snap RB, which is what it looks like with the current stable of RBs being the same as last year, then the Bills would want to pay him for that role.

 

It's not many of us wish that he signs elsewhere, it may be a lot of posters wish that Cook would embrace the role he has.  

 

Even at 50% of the snaps, the only player on Offense that touched the ball more than Cook was Josh.

 

Cook had 207 carries and 32 receptions. He had the ball 239 times. He accounted for 1267 yards and 18 TDs.

 

Shakir, who just got $15M/yr, and just had his best year yet, had 78 total touches, 825 yds, and 4 TDs.

 

Roughly 1/3 the total production depending how you want to look at it.

 

Point is, the snap count/usage/value argument doesnt hold water.

[Doc Brown]

38 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

I'm just happy elite RBs are finally getting paid again. 

 

People have been treating the position like anyone is easily replaced, yet time & time again RBs come along that prove this untrue. Henry & Saquon deserve to be paid like the star players they are. 

 

It's why I'm annoyed that Bills fans don't want to pay James Cook $13 - $15 million a year. After wasting years of Josh Allen's career trying to find a running game, they finally found a guy that can provide one. For a position that's supposedly a "dime a dozen" & easy to replace, the Bills failed time & time again to establish a legit run game. 

 

Meanwhile, under-performing defensive players, who were already getting paid more than Cook (despite Cook having significantly higher impact on the team's success) get extended & paid way more. Buffalo just extended Rousseau to a $20 million a year contract... with his whopping 6 sacks a season. But nah, don't pay the guy who contributed 1,200+ yards & 18 total TDs, because he's "JUST" a RB.

 

And this is after Josh Allen's passing numbers dropped significantly, which in turn reduced his huge amount of turnovers, leading to our best scoring offense ever, all because we had a reliable run game. But instead we'll extend defensive players that didn't do jack against the Chiefs in the playoffs (again).

 

You know who DID carry his weight in the playoffs? James Cook.

Not me.  It drives the franchise tag up on Cook next year if we want to squeeze one more year out of him.  The way our o-line is running right now you could draft a replacement in the 2nd or 3rd round that gives you at least 90% (maybe more) of what Cook gives you right now on a rookie deal.  There isn't a highly paid back across the league that takes less than 50% of the snaps who you can't trust to pass block.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Great, I'm sure Cook's asking price just went up. 

his last asking price was already too high for Beane so doubt it went up…

[Gugny]

We start the season 0-1.  Book it. 
 

[VW82]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

We start the season 0-1.  Book it. 
 

 

You mean 0-2. Cook will hold out both games. 

[VW82]

Cook's original asking price was 15M. If we'd been anywhere near that he'd be signed by now. I don't put much stock in the 20M ask. 

 

It's becoming increasingly clear though that his FMV is actually pretty close to 15M AAV even though James is only a two down back. Beane is just wrong here. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

28 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

You mean 0-2. Cook will hold out both games. 

Poor Josh will be forced to do everything with a subpar WR corp.

 

Is there a WR corp in the NFL weaker than the Bills ?

Edited 6 hours ago by JakeFrommStateFarm

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Every talking head and most fans of other NFL teams alike posed the question multiple times all year "why did they take Cook off the field"? Specifically after we lost to the Chiefs. Even as a Bills fan, i've often questioned taking our best offensive weapon off the field for a better blocker.

 

You could definitely make the argument we should have ran the ball more on that final drive since Cook had clearly been our best skill player. I will say though we had him out there on the final 2nd down and he whiffed on his block which prevented Allen from completing his pass to an open Samuel... And then on 3rd and medium should he have been out there? Probably not. That is the give and take with Cook's skill set. What he adds to the rushing offense he takes from the passing offense. That's why he has been a 50% snap player for us. 

[klos63]

3 hours ago, Malazan said:

Cook's "asking price" has been 20m so not sure how it can "go up" from this. It doesn't change my expectations on what his deal ends up being.

Where did you see the 20m? This is the first I've heard that. 

[CoudyBills]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Performance to date isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to contract. Often times, it's not even the most important thing. Age, injury history, and envisioned increased role from signing team from original team (ie there will be teams that view Cook as a 3 Down Back) play into money just as much and more all things considered. If Henry were Cook's age and had Cook's clean bill of health, he'd be surpassing Barkley's price of 21m per.

 

I've said it once, i'll say it a million times. it's fair to say you personally wouldn't pay a RB what Cook is going to get in the open market. But it's ridiculous for people to simply point at one thing or another in a vacuum to argue he's worth less. If many of you get your wish and he ends up signing elsewhere, it's not going to be anywhere near what some of you argue his market value is.

That's probably right, except the 3rd down back part.  His blitz pickup is equivalent to underwear vs a fart.  

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

People have been treating the position like anyone is easily replaced, yet time & time again RBs come along that prove this untrue. Henry & Saquon deserve to be paid like the star players they are. 

 

It's why I'm annoyed that Bills fans don't want to pay James Cook $13 - $15 million a year. After wasting years of Josh Allen's career trying to find a running game, they finally found a guy that can provide one. For a position that's supposedly a "dime a dozen" & easy to replace, the Bills failed time & time again to establish a legit run game. 

 

Meanwhile, under-performing defensive players, who were already getting paid more than Cook (despite Cook having significantly higher impact on the team's success) get extended & paid way more. Buffalo just extended Rousseau to a $20 million a year contract... with his whopping 6 sacks a season. But nah, don't pay the guy who contributed 1,200+ yards & 18 total TDs, because he's "JUST" a RB.

 

And this is after Josh Allen's passing numbers dropped significantly, which in turn reduced his huge amount of turnovers, leading to our best scoring offense ever, all because we had a reliable run game. But instead we'll extend defensive players that didn't do jack against the Chiefs in the playoffs (again).

 

You know who DID carry his weight in the playoffs? James Cook.

 

Agree 100%. There's lots of ways of looking at value.

 

Here's a question... how would you rank the MVPs on the Bills?

 

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Even at 50% of the snaps, the only player on Offense that touched the ball more than Cook was Josh.

 

Cook had 207 carries and 32 receptions. He had the ball 239 times. He accounted for 1267 yards and 18 TDs.

 

Shakir, who just got $15M/yr, and just had his best year yet, had 78 total touches, 825 yds, and 4 TDs.

 

Roughly 1/3 the total production depending how you want to look at it.

 

Point is, the snap count/usage/value argument doesnt hold water.

 

Great point.

 

Same question as above but more specifically... is Shakir more valuable than Cook?

 

[beerme1]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

This is great news, because he’s got to fall off a cliff soon. Right? 

 

Used to say that about Brady too.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

Used to say that about Brady too.

 

Brady never took a hit. That was his specialty.. 

 

Henry? Not so much …….but we’ll see. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Yes, but Barkley is a 21m per year RB. Henry is only at 15m per because he'll be 32 by the end of this season and has had recurring foot problems. If he had Cook's clean bill of health, tread left on the tires, and was 25 years old - he'd surpass Barkley's 21m per year.

 

Of course he's not 21m. But he's not asking for that. This idea that he's a definitively a 2 Down RB to every team in the NFL and that he's not worth 15m bc Henry is a better RB is severely flawed. It assumes every team in the NFL views and utilizes all players the same way and ignores the effect of Henry's age and wear and tear on his contract value.

 Good point about the age difference. Cook is younger with more NFL left in front of him. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Brady never took a hit. That was his specialty.. 

 

Henry? Not so much …….but we’ll see. 

he took more hits than any QB in league history 

[Fan in Chicago]

15 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Same question as above but more specifically... is Shakir more valuable than Cook?

 

Let me ask a question to answer yours. If one of them were to be deleted from the roster prior to the draft, who would it be? 

Imo, Cook. 

[That's No Moon]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

he took more hits than any QB in league history 

yeahhhhh. no.  I can recall Brady getting hit hard one time.  And he played in the era when you couldn't hit people low, or high, or even a tad late.