YattaOkasan Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I would wait until the 5th or 6th to go down that hole. There are also a good number of vets still out there JK Dobbins, Dalvin Cook, Boston Scott, Zeke Elliot, Kareem Hunt, Cam Akers...dudes who at some point are going to have to take a nothing deal. Cam Akers is the same age as a bunch of these guys in the draft. I guess a min deal for those players would be good but i like the idea of upside that you could get with a rookie. Considering we only have two RBs on the team right now(!) I think its gonna be both draft and a free agent signing. We need bodies for camp and the season. I would hope the rookie would be the plan to play with the vet setting the floor of play for the position (especially around pass pro). If thats the plan I think you dont wait til the 5th for a player that you expect to play (not that you cant find good talent just seems crazy to expect them to play right away). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 8 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: I guess a min deal for those players would be good but i like the idea of upside that you could get with a rookie. Considering we only have two RBs on the team right now(!) I think its gonna be both draft and a free agent signing. We need bodies for camp and the season. I would hope the rookie would be the plan to play with the vet setting the floor of play for the position (especially around pass pro). If thats the plan I think you dont wait til the 5th for a player that you expect to play (not that you cant find good talent just seems crazy to expect them to play right away). The Bills have done a pretty good job identifying these guys as UDFA the last couple of years with Raheem Blackshear in 2022, and Antonio Williams in 2020. Normally I don't love using draft picks for RBs, but we have so many late-round picks it makes sense to spend a 5 or 6 on one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The Bills have done a pretty good job identifying these guys as UDFA the last couple of years with Raheem Blackshear in 2022, and Antonio Williams in 2020. Normally I don't love using draft picks for RBs, but we have so many late-round picks it makes sense to spend a 5 or 6 on one. Agreed they have found talent but those were players were werent really expecting to play. This year feels more like the year we drafted Moss. We needed a RB that year similar to how we need one this year. I'm sorta expecting us (hard to expect anything in the draft) to pick one in the 4th. It feels like a position that has snaps available versus possible upgrades or depth (CB, S, LG, DE, DT). As you mentioned a vet FA could do that but i think a draft pick makes more sense for our cap situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Oh boy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I wouldn’t hate this if the pick was right. I think he’s a baller. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Oh boy Can't make it too obvious we're WR or bust in the 1st round. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, HappyDays said: Can't make it too obvious we're WR or bust in the 1st round. Cooper would definitely be higher on the board than 99% of the WRs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Cooper would definitely be higher on the board than 99% of the WRs. A safety with entirely linear movement skills isn't a 1st round prospect. Some other team can make that mistake. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Can't make it too obvious we're WR or bust in the 1st round. On one hand, it would be funny to watch the board implode if we went DB with our first round pick. On the other hand, I'd be one of the people imploding... 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Cooper would definitely be higher on the board than 99% of the WRs. Safety is one of the least premium positions. That would be completely unacceptable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Oh no let’s everyone freak out cause the Bills are doing their due diligence on guys who may be there around 28 that isn’t a WR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 16 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Oh no let’s everyone freak out cause the Bills are doing their due diligence on guys who may be there around 28 that isn’t a WR No! This draft is the first step in my dream of building a roster with Josh Allen and 52 WRs. Just think of what he could do with all those weapons! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Who Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 34 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Is that comparison based on play or difficult to pronounce last names? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, HappyDays said: I have been accused in previous draft cycles of being a closet Clemson fan due to my tendency to be higher on their prospects than the consensus. Whether it was Christian Wilkins being a top 10 grade, or my willingness to overlook Isaiah Simmons total lack of a clear position, or my willingness to overlook Andrew Booth's health questions or being high on Trenton Simpson. Well here you go folks, here is the Clemson prospect I don't like. Orhorhoro is not my cup of tea at all. People will know I like good hand usage on a pass rusher, edge or interior, and his are all over the place. And secondly I have never seen a high round DL prospect who gets spun around by OLs so much. He looks like he is doing a spinning top impression half the time and ends up facing the wrong way. If he got to the Bills first 4th round pick would I think the athletic traits were worth a punt? Sure. But spending #60 on this guy would be an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Private workout with McMillan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) So running down the list: 1. Marshawn Kneeland DT WMU 2. Khristian Boyd DT UNI 3. MJ Devonshire CB Pitt 4. Tez Walker WR UNC 5. Trey Benson RB FSU 6. Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 7. Troy Franklin WR Oregon 8. Ryan Flournoy WR SEMU 9. Jordan Morgan OT Arizona 10. Xavier Worthy WR Texas 11. Maason Smith DT LSU 12. Andru Phillips CB Kentucky 13. Keon Coleman WR FSU 14. Laiatu Latu DE UCLA 15. Cooper DeJean CB/S Iowa 16. Ruke Orhorhoro DT Clemson 17. Qwan’Tez Stiggere CB CFL Is there anyone I’ve missed for top 30s? Looks like we know about half of our visits so far so 13 more guys to go. Edited April 17 by gonzo1105 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: So running down the list: 1. Marshawn Kneeland DT WMU 2. Khristian Boyd DT UNI 3. MJ Devonshire CB Pitt 4. Tez Walker WR UNC 5. Trey Benson RB FSU 6. Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 7. Troy Franklin WR Oregon 8. Ryan Flournoy WR SEMU 9. Jordan Morgan OT Arizona 10. Xavier Worthy WR Texas 11. Maason Smith DT LSU 12. Andru Phillips CB Kentucky 13. Keon Coleman WR FSU 14. Laiatu Latu DE UCLA 15. Cooper DeJean CB/S Iowa 16. Ruke Orhorhoro DT Clemson Is there anyone I’ve missed for top 30s? Looks like we know about half of our visits so far so 14 more guys to go. Quantez Stiggers was a 30 too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 17 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Oh boy In all likelihood, he'll be off the board by the time we pick anyways. Would be a nice addition to the secondary though; feels like a very McDermott pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LEBills said: Quantez Stiggers was a 30 too Good catch wasn’t sure if he was a FA or draft prospect Edited April 17 by gonzo1105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Does he technically count because he’s a FA not a draft prospect? He isn’t a FA, he is draft eligible this year. Devonshire may not count as I believe Pitt is considered a local school for the Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Just now, LEBills said: He isn’t a FA, he is draft eligible this year. Devonshire may not count as I believe Pitt is considered a local school for the Bills Yup also a good call on Devonshire have to assume Pitt is since PSU was a couple years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Just now, gonzo1105 said: Yup also a good call on Devonshire have to assume Pitt is since PSU was a couple years ago Yea I believe it’s Pitt, SU and PSU that are our local schools but I can’t find anything to verify that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 ML Football isn't always the most reliable source, just throwing that out there. If true we've brought him and Benson in for a visit. Sounds like we will target a power RB on day three which I'm fine with. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: ML Football isn't always the most reliable source, just throwing that out there. If true we've brought him and Benson in for a visit. Sounds like we will target a power RB on day three which I'm fine with. Estime is like a bull in a china shop. I'm a fan. Would be the perfect compliment to James Cook, and might actually make it so that we can run something other than JOSH ALLEN SMASH in the red zone. Edited April 17 by Logic 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Man @HappyDays beat me to it again! Good job friend! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: ML Football isn't always the most reliable source, just throwing that out there. If true we've brought him and Benson in for a visit. Sounds like we will target a power RB on day three which I'm fine with. Let’s go! Don’t let the 4.7 40 fool ya 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 15 minutes ago, HappyDays said: ML Football isn't always the most reliable source, just throwing that out there. If true we've brought him and Benson in for a visit. Sounds like we will target a power RB on day three which I'm fine with. Confirmed by Ryan Talbot: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 23 minutes ago, LEBills said: Let’s go! Don’t let the 4.7 40 fool ya hmmm okay, I’m on board in the 4th 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 47 minutes ago, LEBills said: Let’s go! Don’t let the 4.7 40 fool ya He is one of 3 RB's we reportedly met with at the Combine too (the other two being Braelon Allen and Frank Gore Jr.) As for the 40, he improved it quite a bit at his Pro Day - running a 4.58 there. Not sure if he was dinged up, had bad starts, or just wasn't trained in track running. But a .12 (even if it doesn't seem like much) difference is a big improvement in a 40 time. Edited April 17 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Might hurt not moving a 3rd round pick. I think that’s where the second tier RBs will probably start coming off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Has it been announced anywhere that we met with Brian Thomas Jr? He himself said he was here for a visit on the eclipse day. Perhaps Beane is trying to keep it quiet as long as possible IMO he’s our top target without giving up all our high picks this year and next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 17 hours ago, HappyDays said: Confirmed by Ryan Talbot: He would be a great pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) Edited April 19 by LEBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 23 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Has it been announced anywhere that we met with Brian Thomas Jr? He himself said he was here for a visit on the eclipse day. Perhaps Beane is trying to keep it quiet as long as possible IMO he’s our top target without giving up all our high picks this year and next year I don't think that the teams themselves announce those visits. It is usually the agents leaking to drum up interest or the players themselves posting it to social media. So, Thomas' post on Instagram is probably about as good a source that you can have for this type of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 It’s clear with all the rotation of power backs we’ve brought in that haven’t gotten it done that we are interested in drafting one Its a shame we aren’t waiting until next yer though when the class is infinitely better than this historically bad class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) On 4/17/2024 at 2:33 PM, Warriorspikes51 said: Has it been announced anywhere that we met with Brian Thomas Jr? He himself said he was here for a visit on the eclipse day. Perhaps Beane is trying to keep it quiet as long as possible IMO he’s our top target without giving up all our high picks this year and next year There are no reports of Bills meeting with any of the big 3, and based on Beanes presser, I think there is almost no chance he his eying a move for one. We have however met with BTJ once (at least reported once). However, Beane was pretty adamant about not liking trading future first round picks. While he said he would do it if the deal made sense, it really was not something he wants to or likes to do and referenced the team regretting it when they did so in Carolina. On the flip side, he was very blunt about being aggressive to go get a guy when he gets close enough to make sure they get him. So IMHO, I think moving up for BTJ isn't realistic until he gets to probably at least 20, if he even gets to 20. And there has been some smoke about maybe Pitt and Bills swapping picks at 20. I am even more of that belief when you see the amount of interest they have in other WR's where they have had multiple visits with them like Franklin, McConkey, Coleman, Worthy, etc. Edited April 18 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikePJ76 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 31 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Brugler on Smith Maason Smith Age: 21Height: 6-5Weight: 306 Smith is a traits-based prospect with his size, movement skills and pop at contact, but his inexperience is evident on tape with his inconsistent technique, block recognition and rush plan. NFL teams covet 6-foot-5, 300-pound athletes on the defensive line and those types are in short supply in this draft class, which will only boost Smith’s draft projection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, MikePJ76 said: Brugler on Smith Maason Smith Age: 21Height: 6-5Weight: 306 Smith is a traits-based prospect with his size, movement skills and pop at contact, but his inexperience is evident on tape with his inconsistent technique, block recognition and rush plan. NFL teams covet 6-foot-5, 300-pound athletes on the defensive line and those types are in short supply in this draft class, which will only boost Smith’s draft projection. Loads of potential at LSU that wasn’t really realized because he tore up his ACL against FSU. Played last coming off that ACL injury but as you know most who come back from ACL don’t come fully back for two years. He was also suspended and had an ankle injury as well He’s a true projection pick imo. Upside is enormous but a raw football player who can bust as easily as boom but can’t deny the traits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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