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25 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Trade: Diggs + 3rd in 25 (can become 2) + 6th to HOU for 23rd overall

 

23. WR Brian Thomas Jr

28. WR Troy Franklin

60. NT T’Vondre Sweat

98. Trade to DEN for WR Cortland Sutton

 

😎How much help does Josh Allen need?!🤣

 

Stefon Diggs carries a 31m dead cap hit to move on from, he's not going anywhere: 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-stefon-diggs-trade-rumors-pro-bowl-games

 

Cortland Sutton has a 17.29 cap hit. We're 52m over and you have us taking on a massive cap hit in moving on from Diggs on top of it AND taking on 17.29 for Sutton: 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/courtland-sutton-25139/

 

Beyond that, you'd have us going into next season with only 1 WR that Josh has worked with and has chemistry with. 2 WR's that could be great, or complete busts.

 

You were so close with your first post I saw you make regarding WR next season. But I guess we're back to nonsense that won't happen all offseason again.

 

18 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

^ Yea go ahead and roll your eyes🤣

 

I’m just out here having fun!!! So what if it’s a 1% chance! It’s angels in the outfield season 

 

“it could happen”

 

Not even a 1% chance. 

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28 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Stefon Diggs carries a 31m dead cap hit to move on from, he's not going anywhere: 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-stefon-diggs-trade-rumors-pro-bowl-games

 

Cortland Sutton has a 17.29 cap hit. We're 52m over and you have us taking on a massive cap hit in moving on from Diggs on top of it AND taking on 17.29 for Sutton: 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/courtland-sutton-25139/

 

Beyond that, you'd have us going into next season with only 1 WR that Josh has worked with and has chemistry with. 2 WR's that could be great, or complete busts.

 

You were so close with your first post I saw you make regarding WR next season. But I guess we're back to nonsense that won't happen all offseason again.

 

 

Not even a 1% chance. 


Diggs and Davis had ZERO chemistry with Allen the 2nd half of the season. Whatever the factors are, the WR room needs an overhaul except Shakir

 

Diggs can be traded for a 19 mil cap savings postdated June 1st.  If done before that, the 31m dead cap would be a replacement of the 27 mil cap hit (or whatever exact #) he currently has. It is not in addition to.  
 

If the team believes a change is needed, the worst case is a negative difference of 3-4 million for this season. Next year, around a 22 mil hit yes. 
 

Sutton’s contract can be restructured for a 3.5 mil cap hit this season

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28 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Diggs and Davis had ZERO chemistry with Allen the 2nd half of the season. Whatever the factors are, the WR room needs an overhaul except Shakir

 

Davis is gone. So will be Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield. The WR room is getting an overhaul as is.

 

But Diggs would be too much to move on from this season. His out is in 2025. It's not happening before then. And even in a down year, he still finished in the Top 10 (7th) in Receptions in the entire NFL. 13th in the NFL in Yards.

 

Over the past 4 seasons, he's caught 445 balls from Josh and amassed 5,372 yards (and that's not even counting post season). Now because of the second half of one single season where he was playing through injuries, he has "zero" chemistry with Josh? That's insane.

 

As is the idea that a guy who still commands double coverage, is still a Top 10 (or at least top 7-13) WR in the league, and maybe most importantly, costs more to be moved before next offseason - should be moved on from right now.

 

You're going to get 2-3 new WR's. Way more likely than not, a 1st Round WR. Probably a FA, possibly like Hollywood Brown that you like. That's pretty exciting. I don't get why reality isn't exciting enough for you that you have to fantasize and post about the unfeasible.

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26 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Davis is gone. So will be Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield. The WR room is getting an overhaul as is.

 

But Diggs would be too much to move on from this season. His out is in 2025. It's not happening before then. And even in a down year, he still finished in the Top 10 (7th) in Receptions in the entire NFL. 13th in the NFL in Yards.

 

Over the past 4 seasons, he's caught 445 balls from Josh and amassed 5,372 yards (and that's not even counting post season). Now because of the second half of one single season where he was playing through injuries, he has "zero" chemistry with Josh? That's insane.

 

As is the idea that a guy who still commands double coverage, is still a Top 10 (or at least top 7-13) WR in the league, and maybe most importantly, costs more to be moved before next offseason - should be moved on from right now.

 

You're going to get 2-3 new WR's. Way more likely than not, a 1st Round WR. Probably a FA, possibly like Hollywood Brown that you like. That's pretty exciting. I don't get why reality isn't exciting enough for you that you have to fantasize and post about the unfeasible.


Look I like Diggs. I’d just assume keep Diggs. But, I don’t believe he wants to be here anymore. If that’s the case, I’d rather move him while his value is still reasonably high and before the situation gets worse.

 

a fresh start could be great for Allen

 

We should approach the offseason like he’s not even on the roster. Look to sign a quality WR / trade for one + draft in Round 1 and ideally another in Rounds 2-4

 

If he does end up staying, fine

 

Diggs

_______ UFA / Trade

Round 1

Round 2-4 

 

Shakir (slot) 
 

 

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23 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Look I like Diggs. I’d just assume keep Diggs. But, I don’t believe he wants to be here anymore. If that’s the case, I’d rather move him while his value is still reasonably high and before the situation gets worse.

 

a fresh start could be great for Allen

 

We should approach the offseason like he’s not even on the roster. Look to sign a quality WR / trade for one + draft in Round 1 and ideally another in Rounds 2-4

 

If he does end up staying, fine

 

.... why should we approach this offseason like he's not on the roster? Like, he literally is. I guarantee you, Brandon Beane isn't approaching this offseason like Stefon Diggs isn't on the roster.

 

Don't fall for that nonsense thread. He was asked if he'll be here and said that's not up to him. That's it. Players around the league say the same thing all the time.

 

He wasn't asked if he wanted to be here and said he didn't. Don't be like the ones who are like "well he didn't say this, ergo he really means this, ergo he doesn't want to be here, ergo we should trade him". Absolute nonsense.

 

That thread is full of people who don't like him, are annoyed by a player who has any sort of personality quirks, want him gone, and want to come up with any reason to say he shouldn't be here.

 

Every year, people put on their tinfoil hat and read more into what he says or does and gets all hot and bothered in the knickers. Then what happens? Diggs tells the media that people need to stop putting words in his mouth (like he did last season when people were doing the same BS) and he shows up to work.

 

And let's say he did say he wanted a trade. So? You know who else really wanted a trade? Davante Adams. He was throwing sh-t fits on national TV. You were saying go get him. And? He didn't go anywhere. Why? Because if you have a Superstar under contract - you keep the Superstar.

 

While you and others try to come up with scenarios for him to leave, every fanbase and media member of teams around the league are fantasizing about trading for him. Reading into nonsense and praying that they could have Diggs. 

 

You don't want to trade players like that. Not only do we not want to, or have to, it would cost us money to do so. 

 

You shouldn't be saying "if he does end up staying - fine". You should want him to stay. He's still a #1 WR, who had a down half of a season due to injuries and a change in game planning from a new OC. Surround him with an actual WR or 2 to take some coverage away from him and he'll be able to do more. I know he's been here for 4 years and isn't a shiny new toy. But he's still a Superstar in this league and Josh's #1 target since Year 2.

 

TL;DR - Diggs hasn't said he doesn't want to be here, so don't make assumptions that he doesn't. He hates that. Don't operate like he won't be here, he's under contract and he will be. Be happy about that bc every fan of every other team wants him and for a reason.

 

23 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Look I like Diggs. I’d just assume keep Diggs. But, I don’t believe he wants to be here anymore. If that’s the case, I’d rather move him while his value is still reasonably high and before the situation gets worse.

 

a fresh start could be great for Allen

 

We should approach the offseason like he’s not even on the roster. Look to sign a quality WR / trade for one + draft in Round 1 and ideally another in Rounds 2-4

 

If he does end up staying, fine

 

Diggs

_______ UFA / Trade

Round 1

Round 2-4 

 

Shakir (slot) 

 

That's exactly what we'll be doing. Closer to Round 4 than Round 2 though. We have too many starting holes to fill.

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5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Diggs and Davis had ZERO chemistry with Allen the 2nd half of the season. Whatever the factors are, the WR room needs an overhaul except Shakir

 

Diggs can be traded for a 19 mil cap savings postdated June 1st.  If done before that, the 31m dead cap would be a replacement of the 27 mil cap hit (or whatever exact #) he currently has. It is not in addition to.  
 

If the team believes a change is needed, the worst case is a negative difference of 3-4 million for this season. Next year, around a 22 mil hit yes. 
 

Sutton’s contract can be restructured for a 3.5 mil cap hit this season

Diggs was/is Josh go to guy everytime he needs a big play/1st down. What were we watching? I do agree on Davis

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A bunch of trade downs here. Ended up giving up a 4th and 5th in next years draft but ended up taking a haul this year in the process. 
 

41.

Troy Franklin

WR Oregon

 

60.

Sedrick Van Pran

OC Georgia

 

99.

Maason Smith

DT LSU

 

101.

Khyree Jackson

CB Oregon

 

107.

Jordan Jefferson

DT LSU

 

128.

Jermaine Burton

WR Alabama

 

158.

Zion Tupuola-Fetui

EDGE Washington

 

161.

Tahj Washington

WR USC

 

184.

Jawhar Jordan

RB Louisville

 

197.

Omar Speights

LB LSU

 

201.

Kitan Oladapo

S Oregon State

 

205.

Evan Williams

S Oregon

 

245.

Clark Barrington

OG Baylor

 

2025 GB 3rd

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15 minutes ago, mrags said:

A bunch of trade downs here. Ended up giving up a 4th and 5th in next years draft but ended up taking a haul this year in the process. 
 

41.

Troy Franklin

WR Oregon

 

60.

Sedrick Van Pran

OC Georgia

 

99.

Maason Smith

DT LSU

 

101.

Khyree Jackson

CB Oregon

 

107.

Jordan Jefferson

DT LSU

 

128.

Jermaine Burton

WR Alabama

 

158.

Zion Tupuola-Fetui

EDGE Washington

 

161.

Tahj Washington

WR USC

 

184.

Jawhar Jordan

RB Louisville

 

197.

Omar Speights

LB LSU

 

201.

Kitan Oladapo

S Oregon State

 

205.

Evan Williams

S Oregon

 

245.

Clark Barrington

OG Baylor

 

2025 GB 3rd


I am for trading back if possible, but I feel like the 3 WR we would likely be interested in (Thomas, Franklin, and Coleman) would not last beyond 35 at this point. Chiefs, Pats, and Arizona could all use some WR help and Carolina could benefit from another weapon for Bryce too.

 

i think if any of these 3 are “the guy” we sit tight at 28 and don’t risk it (I even see moving up as a possibility to make sure we get our guy like we did with DK last year). If those 3 are gone then trade back, get Legette in the mid 30’s, and use the remaining capital to move around and help get whomever else we can. We have too many holes and not enough money to ship all our picks away, but if we get at least 5 quality picks (starter and backups) we walk from this draft happy.

 

We absolutely need at least 1 WR, DT, and S. We should also try to get a LB and DE. After that? OC and double up on either DT or WR. Not necessarily saying to draft in that order (if a good WR falls to Rd 3 you go get him) but those should be priority.

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8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Trade: Diggs + 3rd in 25 (can become 2) + 6th to HOU for 23rd overall

 

23. WR Brian Thomas Jr

28. WR Troy Franklin

60. NT T’Vondre Sweat

98. Trade to DEN for WR Cortland Sutton

 

😎How much help does Josh Allen need?!🤣

put Sweat at flanker alternating with Shakir.

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8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Stefon Diggs carries a 31m dead cap hit to move on from, he's not going anywhere: 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-stefon-diggs-trade-rumors-pro-bowl-games

 

Cortland Sutton has a 17.29 cap hit. We're 52m over and you have us taking on a massive cap hit in moving on from Diggs on top of it AND taking on 17.29 for Sutton: 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/courtland-sutton-25139/

 

Beyond that, you'd have us going into next season with only 1 WR that Josh has worked with and has chemistry with. 2 WR's that could be great, or complete busts.

 

You were so close with your first post I saw you make regarding WR next season. But I guess we're back to nonsense that won't happen all offseason again.

 

 

Not even a 1% chance. 

It works if turn the cap off

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Which websites do you guys use for scouting reports? I used to use TDN but they stink ever since the founders left.

7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Look I like Diggs. I’d just assume keep Diggs. But, I don’t believe he wants to be here anymore. If that’s the case, I’d rather move him while his value is still reasonably high and before the situation gets worse.

 

a fresh start could be great for Allen

 

We should approach the offseason like he’s not even on the roster. Look to sign a quality WR / trade for one + draft in Round 1 and ideally another in Rounds 2-4

 

If he does end up staying, fine

 

Diggs

_______ UFA / Trade

Round 1

Round 2-4 

 

Shakir (slot) 

 

You don't eat 25M cap hits for fun. Diggs isn't going anywhere

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2 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:


I am for trading back if possible, but I feel like the 3 WR we would likely be interested in (Thomas, Franklin, and Coleman) would not last beyond 35 at this point. Chiefs, Pats, and Arizona could all use some WR help and Carolina could benefit from another weapon for Bryce too.

 

i think if any of these 3 are “the guy” we sit tight at 28 and don’t risk it (I even see moving up as a possibility to make sure we get our guy like we did with DK last year). If those 3 are gone then trade back, get Legette in the mid 30’s, and use the remaining capital to move around and help get whomever else we can. We have too many holes and not enough money to ship all our picks away, but if we get at least 5 quality picks (starter and backups) we walk from this draft happy.

 

We absolutely need at least 1 WR, DT, and S. We should also try to get a LB and DE. After that? OC and double up on either DT or WR. Not necessarily saying to draft in that order (if a good WR falls to Rd 3 you go get him) but those should be priority.

Agree 100%. I think in this mock the Pats took MHJ in the first round then went with QB in the 2nd. Might have been why we didn’t have to worry about them. I really like the format of Profootballnetwork.com but one thing I don’t like is you can’t go back and look at the entire draft to see who everyone picked. If you remember right at the end you can pause it and scroll through but it’s not ideal. 
 

I think the big WRs that were available at 28 were Mitchell, Legette, McConkey, Worthy, and Franklin. It must have been the Packers who traded with me. I I also had trade downs of 1-3 spots with the Giants and Panthers as well in there. Don’t remember the exact moves. Honestly I’d be good with any of those WRs. I think Franklin and Mitchell have the ability to be future #1s as early as their 2nd year. Putting Diggs at 2 or even tradable/cuttable if need be. If Mitchell or Franklin weren’t there I would have opted for Worthy or McConkey and then went with Devontez Walker, Rice, Polk, Wilson, or Burton to match up with my first choice. Doubling up on them to ensure that at least one of them takes the reins.

 

im not a huge fan of Legette, I just don’t see it. Don’t understand what everyone sees in him honestly. Even the pros say this guy is super fast and I don’t see that either. I watch highlights and never really see him separate and only a few times where he runs away from defenders. If he was there in rd 3 I’d take a flyer on him but I’m not sure I’d go with him before that. Maybe it’s just me idk. 
 

Also in this draft I tried to trade back into the early 50s to take Sweat as I think he’s going to be incredible. I tried with the Steelers, Rams, and Raiders. I think the Eagles took him at 53 which I don’t get. They seem pretty stacked at DT from what I remember. 
 

went with Van Pran as the heir to Morse. Seen nothing but great things about him. I was hoping to get DT McKinley at 99 but he was taken a few picks ahead of me. 
 

I’ll say one thing. I’m great at trading back to get extra picks but I’m not very good at moving up. Missed out on Sweat and then McKinley because I didn’t want to part with any of the extra picks I acquired. 

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13 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

^ Yea go ahead and roll your eyes🤣

 

I’m just out here having fun!!! So what if it’s a 1% chance! It’s angels in the outfield season 

 

“it could happen”

I do love Thomas, Franklin & Sweat.  But the road to get those 3 might cost even more.

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16 hours ago, mrags said:

A bunch of trade downs here. Ended up giving up a 4th and 5th in next years draft but ended up taking a haul this year in the process. 

Given the depth at WR and Safety, this is an ideal draft to trade down from the 1st to the early second to get an extra top-100 pick.

 

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20 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

.... why should we approach this offseason like he's not on the roster? Like, he literally is. I guarantee you, Brandon Beane isn't approaching this offseason like Stefon Diggs isn't on the roster.

 

Don't fall for that nonsense thread. He was asked if he'll be here and said that's not up to him. That's it. Players around the league say the same thing all the time.

 

He wasn't asked if he wanted to be here and said he didn't. Don't be like the ones who are like "well he didn't say this, so he really means this, heirgo he doesn't want to be here, heirgo we should trade him". Absolute nonsense.

 

 

Ergo. "Our linguistic pendulum swings away from the literate and toward the spoken in the ages of Youtube and TikTok, ergo people who call out spelling/grammar mistakes online are sad relics."

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6 hours ago, H2o said:

They changed up the design on the Pro Football Network site. Took one trade back early into the 2nd and went to the well 3 times @ WR. 

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft

 

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They changed it but changed it right back to the way it’s been after like 1 day. My belief is too many complaints. 
 

would absolutely love this draft. Franklin, Rice, and Polk would be huge. Jackson is a beast. Oladepo looks like he could be a late round guy. Looks like the kind of guy we want in the secondary. Only thing I’d do different is if you could trade your 60 and some picks next year to move up for Sweat if possible. But Jackson is for sure a good get there too. 

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7 minutes ago, mrags said:

They changed it but changed it right back to the way it’s been after like 1 day. My belief is too many complaints. 
 

would absolutely love this draft. Franklin, Rice, and Polk would be huge. Jackson is a beast. Oladepo looks like he could be a late round guy. Looks like the kind of guy we want in the secondary. Only thing I’d do different is if you could trade your 60 and some picks next year to move up for Sweat if possible. But Jackson is for sure a good get there too. 

Crazy, I just went on there this morning and the design was different. Now it's back to the same like you said.

 

I would love for us to get T'Vondre Sweat. He and Ed would wreck shop on the interior. Jackson was my "I'll take him since Sweat is gone" 1-tech, but he wouldn't be a bad option by any means. I also think Liufau fits perfectly into our scheme and would be effective on, dare I say it, ST's. The three WR's would be the biggest thing though. If we hit on two of them, that would be HUGE for Josh and this team moving forward. 

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12 minutes ago, H2o said:

Crazy, I just went on there this morning and the design was different. Now it's back to the same like you said.

 

I would love for us to get T'Vondre Sweat. He and Ed would wreck shop on the interior. Jackson was my "I'll take him since Sweat is gone" 1-tech, but he wouldn't be a bad option by any means. I also think Liufau fits perfectly into our scheme and would be effective on, dare I say it, ST's. The three WR's would be the biggest thing though. If we hit on two of them, that would be HUGE for Josh and this team moving forward. 

I hate the idea of STers taking up roster spots. It put us in a terrible situation when Bernard went down. Had to expect Klein to cover the best TE in the league when he was a few weeks removed from being on his couch. If instead we had someone that could actually play the LB position we wouldn’t have been forced to do that. But McD seems to live guys like Matakevich who not only take up a roster spot for an actual LB on the roster, he also accounted for $3.5m in cap space. I mean, our special teams sucked anyway so what did he actually do there? Save the money and the spot for someone that can actually play their position. JMO. 
 

with that said I know nothing about Liufau so he might be that guy. Idk. 

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28

Brian Thomas Jr.

WR | LSU

60

Tyler Nubin

S | Minnesota

99

Braden Fiske

DL | Florida State

128

DeWayne Carter

DL | Duke

161

Luke McCaffrey

WR | Rice

168

Zion Tupuola-Fetui

EDGE | Washington

TRADE

169

Jaylan Ford

LB | Texas

TRADE

173

Ray Davis

RB | Kentucky

TRADE

177

Kitan Oladapo

S | Oregon State

TRADE

197

Beaux Limmer

IOL | Arkansas

200

Jarrian Jones

CB | Florida State

TRADE

201

Theo Johnson

TE | Penn State

205

Curtis Jacobs

LB | Penn State

245

Sheridan Jones

CB | Clemson

 

 

I got an A for the draft.

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I just did a mock controlling no team and just ran it to see how we did. OMG!!! If we had this draft I think I would give up my tickets. 
 

28.

Kamren Kinchens

S- Miami


60. 

Darius Robinson

EDGE Missouri
 

99. 

Junior Colson

LB Michigan

 

128. 

Javon Foster

OT Missouri


158. 

Isaiah Davis

RB South Dakota State

 

161. 

Elijah Jones

CB Boston College

 

197. 

Marist Liufau

LB Notre Dame


201. 

Nelson Ceaser

EDGE Houston


205. 

Jahdae Barron

S Texas


245. 

Mark Perry

S TCU

 

the worst part is…. I actually expect a draft like this instead of what everyone else can clearly see, that we need playmakers on offense. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 2/1/2024 at 3:55 PM, boyst said:

28 Troy Franklin

WR | Oregon A+

 

60 Johnny Wilson

WR | Florida State B

 

99 Jalen McMillan

WR | Washington B+

 

128 Malachi Corley

WR | Western Kentucky B+

 

158 Luke McCaffrey

WR | Rice B

 

161 Javon Baker

WR | UCF C+

 

197 Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint

WR | Georgia B

 

201 Bub Means

WR | Pittsburgh B

 

205 Jha'Quan Jackson

WR | Tulane B

 

245 Zakhari Franklin

WR | UTSA C+

Yeah they could all report as eligible, Josh can snap it to himself, run around and pass it. I'm sure he'll find someone open

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28: R1 P28 WR Ladd McConkey - Georgia

60: R2 P28 WR Xavier Legette - South Carolina

98: R3 P34 S Calen Bullock - USC

128: R4 P28 S Jaden Hicks - Washington State

161: R5 P25 DL Shemar Turner - Texas A&M

164: R5 P28 DL Gabe Hall - Baylor

195: R6 P20 DL Darius Robinson - Missouri

199: R6 P24 LB Trevin Wallace - Kentucky

203: R6 P28 C Dylan McMahon - NC State

247: R7 P28 G Ladarius Henderson - Michigan

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28.

Brian Thomas Jr.

WR LSU

60.

T'Vondre Sweat

DT Texas

99.

Braden Fiske

DT Florida State

128.

Roman Wilson

WR Michigan

158.

Tykee Smith

S Georgia

161.

Kenny Logan Jr.

S Kansas

197.

Erick All

TE Iowa

201.

Zion Tupuola-Fetui

EDGE Washington

205.

Carson Steele

RB UCLA

245.

Anim Dankwah

OT Howard

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Couple targets FELL on day one and two. Bowers and Franklin in first two rounds by just letting the draft play out? Sign me up. Kincaid, Bowers, and Knox could allow the Bills to make more dynamic use of those heavier and condensed formations they were using more under Brady. Plus a legit boundary prospect in Franklin. Heck yeah. (Not to mention the knee-jerk reactions of Bills fans everywhere when they take ANOTHER 1st round TE lol)

 

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Would ya?

 

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Board showing this:

 

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(With Legette, McConkey, and Franklin still available)

 

I'd have to at least seriously consider the move. The long-term org value is solid (despite the "draft" value being bad IF you automatically downgrade future picks at least a round), plus they could obviously try to leverage picks to get back in it. Gotta consider Seattle's 2024 outlook, too. Hidden value there. 

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