Broncos @ Bills - Postgame Thread

[Nelius]

Hey what ever happened to Siran Neal? Last I heard he was healthy and still a Bill but he seems harder to find than Elam. Clearly he isn’t being used for his secondary or special teams abilities which seems odd. Is he also in McD’s weird little dog house? 

[CaptnCoke11]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

After 2019, DaBoll did a lot more than run Allen like a RB. In 2020, 2021 & 2022 the Bills had an elite passing attack led by Allen. 

 

And other then supporting Beans need to use Allen as a CAP ATM machine for extending the contract and freeing up money how valuable is "longevity"?  And what defines "longevity"?  Is another 6 or 7 years with Allen and the offense being highly productive using his full skill set and the Bills knocking on the SB door really worse then 10 to 12 more years of a less effective Allen?  I wonder what Allen would want?

 

But maybe you're right and the Bills can find the sweet spot where they "manage" Allen, extending his career while maintaining the "it" factor that makes Allen great.  But to do that they'll need to get coaches with the right skill sets to make it happen.  And more importantly they'll have to change the franchises focus from the defense to the offense.  I don't see McD or Bean as the guys to do it.

 

 

Josh Allen running was a huge part of when this offense dominated.  He demoralized teams.  Now there’s no threat of that. 

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Josh Allen running was a huge part of when this offense dominated.  He demoralized teams.  Now there’s no threat of that. 

Funny how the only time from 2018 - 2022, when Allen ran a lot, he missed any games was when he was hurt in the pocket his rookie year.  Over those 5 seasons and 8 playoff games Allen's running was not getting him hurt. 

 

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

Don't worry guys, McDermott and Beane are safe for 2024.  That should be real interesting 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

And just like the Drought Era, the Bills season is effectively over by week 10. Another inexcusable loss that McD shouldn’t survive (but will) 

[Zag20]

21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Funny how the only time from 2018 - 2022, when Allen ran a lot, he missed any games was when he was hurt in the pocket his rookie year.  Over those 5 seasons and 8 playoff games Allen's running was not getting him hurt. 

 

 

And he still hasn’t been hurt running it. Yet the team has been hurt by him having not 

[Gunsgoodtime]

6 minutes ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:

And just like the Drought Era, the Bills season is effectively over by week 10. Another inexcusable loss that McD shouldn’t survive (but will) 

Agreed, he will survive, but he certainly shouldn't.  It's time, honestly beyond time

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Agreed, he will survive, but he certainly shouldn't.  It's time, honestly beyond time

Only one more year 

[Figster]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

After 2019, DaBoll did a lot more than run Allen like a RB. In 2020, 2021 & 2022 the Bills had an elite passing attack led by Allen. 

 

And other then supporting Beans need to use Allen as a CAP ATM machine for extending the contract and freeing up money how valuable is "longevity"?  And what defines "longevity"?  Is another 6 or 7 years with Allen and the offense being highly productive using his full skill set and the Bills knocking on the SB door really worse then 10 to 12 more years of a less effective Allen?  I wonder what Allen would want?

 

But maybe you're right and the Bills can find the sweet spot where they "manage" Allen, extending his career while maintaining the "it" factor that makes Allen great.  But to do that they'll need to get coaches with the right skill sets to make it happen.  And more importantly they'll have to change the franchises focus from the defense to the offense.  I don't see McD or Bean as the guys to do it.

 

 

Big fan of Daboll as Bills OC. He did a great job with the development of Josh Allen. Hated losing him.

 

Getting Kincaid in the 1st round is a good step in the right direction IMO. I also think we have just scratched the surface with James Cook. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Figster

[Srw1525]

Can the fans bench McDermott and Dorsey for their coaching and play calling? 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

This loss is actually a good thing … I can look forward to a LOT more 1pm Sunday games next season 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, Nelius said:

Hey what ever happened to Siran Neal? Last I heard he was healthy and still a Bill but he seems harder to find than Elam. Clearly he isn’t being used for his secondary or special teams abilities which seems odd. Is he also in McD’s weird little dog house? 

Last name 4 letters.  Into the doghouse with you.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 hours ago, Figster said:

Big fan of Daboll as Bills OC. He did a great job with the development of Josh Allen. Hated losing him.

 

Getting Kincaid in the 1st round is a good step in the right direction IMO. I also think we have just scratched the surface with James Cook. 

 

 

 

 

Agreed. Those three players are my bright spots.

 

I'm currently on a "burn it all down" mood for everything else.

[Low Positive]

Just woke up. Don’t care anymore. Not mad, I just don’t care. Drought era levels of not caring. Thank you Josh Allen for that.

[boyst]

6 hours ago, billybob71 said:

me too,  first time i have said this on here, I have seen all the  fire McD posts,  i am now there also.

welcome to the party!!! here's your drink

6 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Rumor was that Daboll also would have taken a lateral position. He was done with McDermott (or McDermott was done with him, either way).

this. daboll was leaving, regardless.

6 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Best of luck with that 

exactly. saint josh is like many of these young kid QB's without the same adult desire. they're in the shadow of Roethlisberger and Rodgers vs. Manning, Montanna Marsha, and others who trained.

[BRH]

The entire season has been the same game every time.

 

- Open by shooting ourselves in the foot with unforced errors and/or tentative play (which go hand in hand)

- Get behind for three quarters to a lesser team, all the while thinking that the next drive is the one where we wake up

- Finally turn it on in the last ten minutes, take the lead

- Do something inexplicably stupid on the last defensive stand, usually accompanied by crappy ST play (complementary football)

- Either get a totally unsatisfying win by the skin of our teeth, or blow it in ridiculous fashion 

 

it’s ***** Groundhog Day

[Radar]

3 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Don't worry guys, McDermott and Beane are safe for 2024.  That should be real interesting 

Probably. Never been big fan of either but in all fairness the coaches aren't turning the ball over four times. I'm not against coaching change at all just don't know who you'd replace them with. Beane has not built this team well and we're tight on the cap. Frankly even healthy we're not a Super Bowl team.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Radar

[Bob Jones]

As someone who has been a diehard Bills fan for 50+ years, this is a really tough time right now. Honestly, it doesn’t “get to me” as much as it used to, because with age you get different priorities, but it still brings me down a bit.

 

1) Josh Allen definitely has regressed, and he’s not who we thought he was. I assume someday he’ll get back to being what he was a couple years ago, but only time will tell.

2) McD and his staff are just average coaches, and borderline incompetent. Pegula needs to clean house at the end of the year.

3) A lot of Bills player are either just dumb or just don’t care, and are just there for the paycheck. The on field execution continues to be abhorrent.

4) They should have never cut Matt Araiza. They caved to the angry, uninformed mob, and they should have stood with their player.

5) Would be very curious to know what this team actually does at practices.

 

I’ve been saying these things for weeks now, and I’ve been laughed at, puked on, red Xed, and thumbs downed. I’ll take apologies today for anybody who is man enough to step up and admit that they were wrong.

 

Finally, there’s always next year! 😉

[Milanos Milano]

4 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Don't worry guys, McDermott and Beane are safe for 2024.  That should be real interesting 

I will participate for the draft, but if clappy is still here I won’t watch a single game. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Araiza Curse

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

11 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

As someone who has been a diehard Bills fan for 50+ years, this is a really tough time right now. Honestly, it doesn’t “get to me” as much as it used to, because with age you get different priorities, but it still brings me down a bit.

 

1) Josh Allen definitely has regressed, and he’s not who we thought he was. I assume someday he’ll get back to being what he was a couple years ago, but only time will tell.

2) McD and his staff are just average coaches, and borderline incompetent. Pegula needs to clean house at the end of the year.

3) A lot of Bills player are either just dumb or just don’t care, and are just there for the paycheck. The on field execution continues to be abhorrent.

4) They should have never cut Matt Araiza. They caved to the angry, uninformed mob, and they should have stood with their player.

5) Would be very curious to know what this team actually does at practices.

 

I’ve been saying these things for weeks now, and I’ve been laughed at, puked on, red Xed, and thumbs downed. I’ll take apologies today for anybody who is man enough to step up and admit that they were wrong.

 

Finally, there’s always next year! 😉

Never. Going. To. Happen.

 

This team had really bad glaring issues going into this season so I never really got the "hype" for this season.  The glue and tape are finally failing and the issues some have predicted are coming to fruition.  It sucks to be on the other side of it but my sneaking suspicion is that a lot of the "Bills are legit", "Bills are elite", "JA is Elite", "SB here we come" crowd are young, newly acquired members of the Bills Mafia (dumb name). 

 

Everyone needs to be held accountable.  From Beane to Josh Allen.  JA no longer gets a pass but neither does the Head Coach and OC.  

[Bill from NYC]

Texas A&M just paid over 75 million dollars to get rid of Jimbo Fisher, who I think is more of a football guy than McDermott.  Imo McDermott is primarily a self serving salesman.

McDermott sold Pegula a line of s#%t with the "process" term that he co-opted from Nick Saban. Pegula bit like a fish and gave him the big majority of, if not full power in the organization. Now we are stuck with poor performance, questionable free agent signings, limited cap space, and lousy, primarily defense based drafts.

It is way past time to fire McDermott. He should have already been booted out the door, or at least had much of his power taken away. At this point, he should be fired today or later this week.

Sorry folks, jmo.

[Bob Jones]

I guess Russell Wilson is still pretty good, huh? Don’t see Denver getting much credit in here, but they got it done and got the W.

 

Also, that last PI was just mind numbing. All our guy had to do was turn his head around and he would have had an easy game ending pick. Just more poor execution by a pro athlete...the best of the best in the world. 🙄

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Texas A&M just paid over 75 million dollars to get rid of Jimbo Fisher, who I think is more of a football guy than McDermott.  Imo McDermott is primarily a self serving salesman.

McDermott sold Pegula a line of s#%t with the "process" term that he co-opted from Nick Saban. Pegula bit like a fish and gave him the big majority of, if not full power in the organization. Now we are stuck with poor performance, questionable free agent signings, limited cap space, and lousy, primarily defense based drafts.

It is way past time to fire McDermott. He should have already been booted out the door, or at least had much of his power taken away. At this point, he should be fired today or later this week.

Sorry folks, jmo.

It will likely take care of itself.  They are going to get pasted by the Eagles, Cowboys, Chiefs and Dolphins in Miami, and possibly the Chargers as well.  Pegula won’t want to go through another coaching and GM search but the chorus will be too loud by the end of this stretch.

[Low Positive]

9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Texas A&M just paid over 75 million dollars to get rid of Jimbo Fisher, who I think is more of a football guy than McDermott.  Imo McDermott is primarily a self serving salesman.

McDermott sold Pegula a line of s#%t with the "process" term that he co-opted from Nick Saban. Pegula bit like a fish and gave him the big majority of, if not full power in the organization. Now we are stuck with poor performance, questionable free agent signings, limited cap space, and lousy, primarily defense based drafts.

It is way past time to fire McDermott. He should have already been booted out the door, or at least had much of his power taken away. At this point, he should be fired today or later this week.

Sorry folks, jmo.

You’ve got crimson colored glasses.

The “process” comes from Sam Hinkie and the Philadelphia 76ers.

And, for kicks, it didn’t work there either.

[boyst]

alright, i don't say much all the time due to connections but i want to make one thing clear to people who do not know.

 

there is a reason why Sal always defends the defense a little more gentle than others and it is not that he is wrong - but you'll always notice he comes in hard lined defending them.

 

his best contacts in the team to let him know what are going on are 3 or 4 players on defense and very few on offense. he also speaks a lot and quite confidently with mcdermott. he has admitted before and it is clear that he has to take certain approaches and be careful about burning bridges or crossing any players with their trust.

 

sal's best contacts are on defense.

[BRH]

Think of being a defensive player on the Bills and waking up this morning, nearly unable to crawl out of bed because you gave everything you had for 37 minutes and change last night, mostly defending your half of the field with little margin for error, only to have it ripped away from you at the end due to some of the worst coaching and execution possible in the other two phases, and a blindingly stupid zero blitz called on your last play, plus having to play 10-on-11 every time Von got wheeled out there, and thinking you have to do this all over again on a short week.  

It’s like being a fan, except the pain is physical as well as mental.  
 

 

 

[JerseyBills]

8 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

I sold out emotionally a couple weeks ago. This one doesn't hurt at all. This whole game was comical. Maybe next year. 

I kinda did too. I'd usually be upset right now but I'm kinda just numb but watching red zone , parity is at an all time high and there is no definitive SB team imo. It was SF and Bal but both have had ugly losses. 

More than anything,  officiating is killing the game for me. 

I think we can win any given week or lose any given week and it's like that with majority of teams. Excluding the awful ones - Giants, Panthers etc which likely lose

Edited November 14, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Bill from NYC]

15 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

You’ve got crimson colored glasses.

The “process” comes from Sam Hinkie and the Philadelphia 76ers.

And, for kicks, it didn’t work there either.

Saban has been using that term for decades. It is in his unauthorized biography (dated 2015) and he has been using and employing the term before he even got to Alabama.

 

That said, you may be correct about the 76er guy. I don't know, but perhaps both of us can agree that McDermott parades around as if he invented the word "process." McDermott imo is a flim flam man.

 

And btw, I think that the "process" seems to have worked fairly well in Alabama.  

[Fan in Chicago]

28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

 

It is way past time to fire McDermott. He should have already been booted out the door, or at least had much of his power taken away. At this point, he should be fired today or later this week.

Sorry folks, jmo.

I do give him credit for coaching the Bills to relevancy, for getting respectable players and making the team honorable (for lack of a better word)

And yet ... He now has an undeniable track record of gaffes, lack of preparedness and underwhelming schemes. The O is such a mess and I can't understand what happened to this team after the Green Bay game last year. Several here said that last year was emotionally hard on the team. I didn't fully buy into that explanation and this year is devolving as we speak. 

I sorely miss the period from 2020-mid 2022. We dominated teams and there was no opposing lead which was safe against us. 

To have such a record with a talent like Allen (who is clearly disinterested and unmotivated) is a fireable offense. 

[Low Positive]

Just now, Bill from NYC said:

Saban has been using that term for decades. It is in his unauthorized biography (dated 2015) and he has been using and employing the term before he even got to Alabama.

 

That said, you may be correct about the 76er guy. I don't know, but perhaps both of us can agree that McDermott parades around as if he invented the word "process." McDermott imo is a flim flam man.

 

And btw, I think that the "process" seems to have worked fairly well in Alabama.  

Worked better before the portal and NIL when a team could bench a guy for two years. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

2009 Grey Cup Ending:

 

 

 

[Bob Jones]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

You sure? Cook couldn't hold onto the football 

Sadly, I'm at the point now where on EVERY Bills' offensive play I'm worried about, and half expecting them to turn it over.

[BRH]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

As someone who has been a diehard Bills fan for 50+ years, this is a really tough time right now. Honestly, it doesn’t “get to me” as much as it used to, because with age you get different priorities, but it still brings me down a bit.

 

1) Josh Allen definitely has regressed, and he’s not who we thought he was. I assume someday he’ll get back to being what he was a couple years ago, but only time will tell.

2) McD and his staff are just average coaches, and borderline incompetent. Pegula needs to clean house at the end of the year.

3) A lot of Bills player are either just dumb or just don’t care, and are just there for the paycheck. The on field execution continues to be abhorrent.

4) They should have never cut Matt Araiza. They caved to the angry, uninformed mob, and they should have stood with their player.

5) Would be very curious to know what this team actually does at practices.

 

I’ve been saying these things for weeks now, and I’ve been laughed at, puked on, red Xed, and thumbs downed. I’ll take apologies today for anybody who is man enough to step up and admit that they were wrong.

 

Finally, there’s always next year! 😉

You forgot getting eyerolled 

20 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

2009 Grey Cup Ending:

 

 

 

Please tell me the Saskatchewan coach was fired. 

[QCity]

Early morning and not one thread about selling the team. Kinda disappointed. 

[BRH]

23 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

2009 Grey Cup Ending:

 

 

 

And here I thought we had invented a new way to lose a football game. 
 

We can’t even be original anymore. 

[4th&long]

My question is how did this team blow up and look so good for that 3 game stretch? We know that is not who this team is.

[thewookie1]

https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1724393205796352195?s=20

 

The video is good

 

Additionally I want to add if you pause at :07 of the video; Allen is quite literally looking at a receiving group that has three guys lined up in a row and both outer routes running deep. The scheme in of itself seems to look and make Allen make split second decisions as well trying to make it as physically difficult as possible. Gabe Davis having option routes being just an example of there being too many extra permutations.

 

Effectively Josh is in his own head because the staff had beaten him over the head with not running and forcing him to both predict where the defense will go as well as his own receivers. To this point a guy could easily be open but Allen may not notice because he has so many other thoughts being processed. Far too much is schemed to require specific circumstances to play out or Allen, "Save Us." 2 weeks in a row he was baited into trying fades to the left; part of me wonders if they were the Option #1 and if Allen doesn't feel he has the time or good routes elsewhere to the point that he almost feels like he has to throw there. Then he just prays it works.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by thewookie1

[BRH]

New ST coach

[Bob Jones]

6 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

daboll is to trautman as josh is to rambo.

"I could have killed you. I could have killed all of you. In town, you're the law, out here it's me. Don't push it or I'll give you a war you won't believe. Let it go. LET IT GO!"

 

Love that movie. A true classic. 😉

[ShakAttack]

13 seconds…

12 men on the field…

 

who wants to bet there’s going to be something bad about the number “11” for us?