Suggestions on how to address the Bills sudden offensive struggles?

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 hours ago, Simon said:

 

That's a designed waggle, imo.

I think Allen has been seeing the field very very well.

He's been better but still misses open guys at times and has a long way to go with anticipation. I think the anticipation is the biggest thing.  Would boost the RAC and most likely get Kincaid going. 

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

Clearly it is not enough.  He needs someone to question everything.  

We have 4 former OCs on the staff not counting Dorsey. Something about too many cooks. 

[What a Tuel]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Agreed; and the Bills should’ve self scouted enough to know that obvious fact—maybe this would’ve been a good time to inject some never before seen wrinkles, trick plays etc.?

 

1st td was something they havent done before I think. 

[Matt_In_NH]

People have forgotten how much the Bills offense struggled with Dabol in his last year....it took all year to get it figured out.  All people do remember is the 2 playoff games when they were clicking at full speed.   16, 6, 15, 10 were all scores the Bills had that year.   The way they got out of it was Allen running.  I think this team is committed to not doing that.  I really think last night was lack of execution.  The fumble and INT in the first half were killers.  They scored on their first two drives in the second half and had the game iced but they failed to execute again. 

 

I really think this team, this offense is evolving and that does not come without challenges.  They will be better for it later in the season IMO.

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I think if Dorsey is more conscientious about not always letting defensive sets dictate to him, that he can call an efficient diversified offense that better suits this team. It feels like he gets in ruts at times and defenders can smell it, which makes things harder on everybody.

Some hard positional coaching from the WR and TE coaches to minimize all the self-inflicted wounds is probably necessary as well.

Thoughts?

 

Edit: 

Please feel free to take any screaming "Fire Him, Cut Him, light his yard on fire!" takes elsewhere.

I will help you with that if necessary.

Simon I'm not screaming, ok I was last night but I digress...,  Dorsey has to go for many reasons.  He is terrible in every facet of his job.  He got the job because he had become a best bud of Josh, and Josh felt comfortable with him...and that is exactly why I wouldn't have hired him.

 

2 old sayings come to mind. "Comfort is a wonderful place, but nothing ever grows there". And " comfort is the enemy of progress".

 

Allen needs a coach that will make him uncomfortable for awhile and will make better use of our personnel.   ( See Dalton Kincaid).  So please don't smack me with the supermod wet noodle, but nearly 1.5 years shows I'm right.

[mannc]

Josh Allen running plays have been removed from the playbook…that makes us much easier to defend, especially with only one quality wideout. It seems the team has decided they don’t want Josh to run it anymore, even sneaks. I think that’s a mistake.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

1.  Dorsey needs to adjust a lot quicker to in game issues and quit calling plays that have little if any chance of success.

 

2.  Josh needs to get his head straight and use the entire complement of personnel at his disposal instead of just trying to throw to Diggs.  He did it in the second half finally and we saw the results.

Josh is not throwing to them enough, it has nothing to do with quality.

It’s just odd because all training camp we heard about the magnificent chemistry being built between various new guys and Josh such as Sherfield, Harty (nice to see his TD at least) to say nothing of Kincaid, that had us all wondering how HOF great this slot position would wind up being (not if, just degree of awesomeness), and then when the season starts it’s like last year never ended with no options apart from Diggs? That speaks to Dorsey imho? 🤷🏼‍♂️

[BearNorth]

7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The current offenses second best pitch is the power run game. 

 

They need to hammer it with Murray more. 

 

I don't see anything else that works in this offense right now besides Allen to Diggs and the power run game. 

 

When the Bills actually line up under Center and just run straight ahead. 

Cook had a pair of 14 yard runs back to back in the second quarter, then we have one play for 3 yards on 1 & 10 and we abandon the run setting up a long miss for Bass.  Thought we had the Gints back on their heels, and then we squander our momentum.

 

[BillsFan130]

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It's a tale of two half's no?  In the first half the O and Allen struggled a great deal.  In the 2nd half they were surgical.  Three possessions and 2 TD's on two very long drives.  A 3rd possession and we just missed a game sealing completion on a nice call & play.

 

Again the defense didn't lay as well as the score indicates. No TO's and they allowed the Giants to go on multiple long drives that while not yielding points took a lot of time off the clock and robbed the O of 2 and probably 3 more possessions.

 

 

You’re right, but even on those TD drives, everything seemed so “hard”.

 

Josh had to make like 3 superman kind of plays just to sustain those drives.

 

This shouldn’t happen against one of the worst defences in the league 

[BearNorth]

17 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

1st td was something they havent done before I think. 

Yeah Harty probably could have walked into the end zone, Diggs and Davis pulled all the DB's toward the middle of the field and they forgot about Harty until it was too late.

[Not at the table Karlos]

I don't have the all22 yet but there was at least 4 times I saw the same route design ran to the same side of the field and the exact same thing happened each time. Receiver 1 runs a 2 yard out and stands at the sideline and receiver 2 runs a curl or something along those lines and stops just inside the numbers about 8 yatds from the other receiver. Every time three defenders were just standing there waiting for it. 

 

It's been happening since Dorsey became OC. We carry coverage to other receivers. Receivers end up at the same points on the field a lot with a bunch of defenders around them. Josh has to run around and finally someone breaks free. It's also rare someone's schemed open quickly. 

[North Buffalo]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

Speaking only of this game…

 

We run the most amount of play action in the NFL and the Giants called our bluff the entire first half.

 

The LB’s we’re not biting on the play-action at all (they weren’t even moving). Thats why the running attack was so successful when we finally ran it (when the linebackers aren’t crashing the gaps, you can run nearly at will).

 

It was a scenario where the Giants were begging us to run the ball but Dorsey didn’t figure it out until the second half.

 

 

And this is my concern with Dorsey's play calling... he needs to switch things up quicker, him and Josh need to be able to id quicker what the D is doing and counter in real time..

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Run game is working. Let's use it.

 

I know Kincaid was out for the game, but Dorsey seems allergic to using him (and Knox for that matter) for anything more than sparingly.

 

Kincaid has gotten free and made catches often when given the chance. I'm mystified as to how he isn't a bigger option with Davis being as lackluster as he's been

[Don Otreply]

Imo, KD is not so good at situational play calling, he is a smart guy, but like so many coaches, he try’s to shove the square peg into a round hole to often, in game adjustments need to happen far quicker than waiting till halftime. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited October 16, 2023 by Don Otreply

[BearNorth]

Figure out what we were doing on the back to back 14 yard runs by Cook, and the 12 yard gash by Murray, rinse and repeat.

[Green Lightning]

8 hours ago, Beast said:

We need someone that can be a reliable target in the seams and over the middle. A slot WR. 
 

We spent a lot of money on one TE and drafted another in the first round and I hoped they would be it but so far, no dice.

 

I’d say make a trade but the Bills seem to have a difficult time incorporating new skill players into their offense so I don’t think that is the answer.

 

 

100% A true slot receiver who gets separation quickly is what is needed. Despite the OP's request not to do this, Dorsey is clueless. His offense is basically get us into 3rd and long and hope Josh bails him out. 

[Motorin']

8 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I think if Dorsey is more conscientious about not always letting defensive sets dictate to him, that he can call an efficient diversified offense that better suits this team. It feels like he gets in ruts at times and defenders can smell it, which makes things harder on everybody.

Some hard positional coaching from the WR and TE coaches to minimize all the self-inflicted wounds is probably necessary as well.

Thoughts?

 

Edit: 

Please feel free to take any screaming "Fire Him, Cut Him, light his yard on fire!" takes elsewhere.

I will help you with that if necessary.

 

I think we saw on consecutive  drives late in the game exactly what was missing against the Jags, and in the first 3 quarters. 

 

This offense runs the ball extremely well from under center, and Josh's ability to throw play action from under center is off the charts. 

 

When the offense went almost exclusively shotgun formation against the Jets, Jags and first three quarters against the Giants the offense couldn't move the ball consistently. 

 

Lining up in shotgun all game allows the defense to pin their ears back and put pressure on the offense. When lines up under center, the offensive line is the one dictating to the defense. 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

8 hours ago, QB Bills said:

I hate that I'm saying this, but they need to run the ball more. Specifically with Murray.

 

The Giants were giving them chunks on the ground but the Bills kept passing. Also, the Bills missed a couple of field goals wide right. Something oddly familiar about this game. (Shivers)

Exactly. Dorsey has abandoned the run game at times. He rediscovered it on that long drive yesterday.

[aristocrat]

We need a legit slot receiver. Jeudy is the only one I know that’s available. We miss the Cole beasely element of the offense

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The way they got out of it was Allen running.  I think this team is committed to not doing that. 

There is definitely something to this. I think the plan is to win the division (maybe even getting the top seed) without Allen running much. Then set him loose in the playoffs. But ...

[finn]

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It's a tale of two half's no?  In the first half the O and Allen struggled a great deal.  In the 2nd half they were surgical.  Three possessions and 2 TD's on two very long drives.  A 3rd possession and we just missed a game sealing completion on a nice call & play.

 

Again the defense didn't lay as well as the score indicates. No TO's and they allowed the Giants to go on multiple long drives that while not yielding points took a lot of time off the clock and robbed the O of 2 and probably 3 more possessions.

 

 

Good observation. In this game, the offense wasn't as bad as it seems, and the defense wasn't as good as it seems.

 

Another plain observation that might cut through the smoke: On offense, Bills have two superstars and a bunch of average players, along with an average OC. We're seeing the results, for better and worse.