Billsfan1972 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) No surprise as when the Bills are rolling the dinks and dunks and moving the chains is great, but when from the second play of the game you could tell the Jags weren't going to allow the Bills to do that, time to use Josh to his full potential. For some reason he is no longer running and defenses seem to know that. Short passes pad the completion %, but the intermediate route is the Bills bread and butter Lawrence and the Jags moved the ball and their offense looked crisp while even early you could see the Bills were lost on offense. With Allen, completely unacceptable. Edited October 8, 2023 by Billsfan1972 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No surprise as when the Bills are rolling the dinks and dunks and moving the chains is great, but when from the second play of the game you could tell the Jags weren't going to allow the Bulls to do that, time to use Josh to his full potential. For some reason he is no longer running and defenses seem to know that. Short passes pad the completion %, but the intermediate route is the Bills bread and butter Lawrence and the Jags moved the ball and their offense looked crisp while even early you could see the Bills were lost on offense. With Allen, completely unacceptable. Bills would’ve scored 60 on the bills defense today haha I thought the jags offense was pretty bad honestly shooting themselves in the foot on quite a few occasions vs a barely nfl caliber defense. the fact that that was an 11-7 game late was absurd Edited October 8, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 Always excuses for the defense, especially with McD coachimg them. Regardless Josh need better play calling as I could predict most plays. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 They played against a pretty good D today… Perhaps some credit should be sent their way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 D played bend but don’t break. But overall gave up a ton of easy catches. Jax did not seem to be scared at all, the look slow and 25 points is actually the most they have scored the past 4 weeks. O was just bad. Hard to know if it was the players or the scheme. They went with loss vs the jets strategy of constant shotgun draws and horizontal passes to the sideline getting 1 yd chunks. Penalties and drops came up again. Diggs beat his deep and both passes were thrown short. Just an overall bad showing across the board. To me though it starts with the scheme. Dorsey is just killing this O. Even when we are scoring it rarely looks easy, usually requiring crazy broken plays etc. Dorsey is here for a while so hopefully he figures it out. Easiest change would be to get under center more and see how it goes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Always excuses for the defense, especially with McD coachimg them. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Always excuses for the defense, especially with McD coachimg them. Regardless Josh need better play calling as I could predict most plays. With all the injuries the defense held this game pretty close for a long time before they ran out of gas, hell if the Offense had figured things out a possession earlier good chance we win, or the refs flag us into oblivion. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, ngbills said: D played bend but don’t break. But overall gave up a ton of easy catches. Jax did not seem to be scared at all, the look slow and 25 points is actually the most they have scored the past 4 weeks. O was just bad. Hard to know if it was the players or the scheme. They went with loss vs the jets strategy of constant shotgun draws and horizontal passes to the sideline getting 1 yd chunks. Penalties and drops came up again. Diggs beat his deep and both passes were thrown short. Just an overall bad showing across the board. To me though it starts with the scheme. Dorsey is just killing this O. Even when we are scoring it rarely looks easy, usually requiring crazy broken plays etc. Dorsey is here for a while so hopefully he figures it out. Easiest change would be to get under center more and see how it goes. And was saying this even when winning. The offense shouldn't look so laboured. Hate those 30 yard passes to the sideline for a gain of 2. Josh must have been too told not to run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Josh needs to find the balance between running and taking those short routes. Today he didn’t run enough. Specifically that 3rd-10 toss up to Knox. Knox was too covered and Allen had a chance at the first with his feet. Even if short, it’s 4th and 2 or 3 and maybe we go for it. in tough spots I personally like the run - it’s a guaranteed completion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: No surprise as when the Bills are rolling the dinks and dunks and moving the chains is great, but when from the second play of the game you could tell the Jags weren't going to allow the Bills to do that, time to use Josh to his full potential. For some reason he is no longer running and defenses seem to know that. Short passes pad the completion %, but the intermediate route is the Bills bread and butter Lawrence and the Jags moved the ball and their offense looked crisp while even early you could see the Bills were lost on offense. With Allen, completely unacceptable. Either McFloornatt nor Dorsey fin know how to use generational talents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Always excuses for the defense, especially with McD coachimg them. Regardless Josh need better play calling as I could predict most plays. Welcome to the Dorsey Offense I know the play as I see the motion or setup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: They played against a pretty good D today… Perhaps some credit should be sent their way They're good, but far from the juggernaut we always make them seem. No excuse for the offensive performance early. It's what lost us the game in spite of everything else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Dorsey has to learn to adjust when teams are taking away the short stuff and let Josh huck it chuck it football deep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 17 hours ago, buffblue said: They're good, but far from the juggernaut we always make them seem. No excuse for the offensive performance early. It's what lost us the game in spite of everything else 40 minutes TOP is unacceptable. Of course because it is McD in charge some people here defend him. Yes the Defence was shorthanded but too many 3rd down conversions (10-18). However, not let Josh run and the dinks and dunks don't work in tight games. 2021 all over again. Josh is the key and let him play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 20 hours ago, Warcodered said: With all the injuries the defense held this game pretty close for a long time before they ran out of gas, hell if the Offense had figured things out a possession earlier good chance we win, or the refs flag us into oblivion. Agreed. The D was downright amazing considering the key players who were out. Had the offense been fully awake, we'd have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 19 hours ago, peterpan said: Josh needs to find the balance between running and taking those short routes. Today he didn’t run enough. Specifically that 3rd-10 toss up to Knox. Knox was too covered and Allen had a chance at the first with his feet. Even if short, it’s 4th and 2 or 3 and maybe we go for it. in tough spots I personally like the run - it’s a guaranteed completion. The only head scratcher I saw with Josh was another one eerily similar from opening night… 3rd down, rolled out to his left and had plenty of space to pick up the yards with his legs (except this time he had someone wide open next to him for a quick pitch) but chose to throw it downfield into coverage. Brain farts all around the team yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Agreed. The D was downright amazing considering the key players who were out. Had the offense been fully awake, we'd have won. They certainly played well for their circumstances but definitely underperformed from situational events. If that’s what we rolled out last week it wouldn’t have been pretty. Heck, if it’s any of the current top producing offenses in the league; 9ers, Minny, Fish, Lions or Chiefs, then the game wouldn’t have been in reach. They missed a lot of tackles, blew coverages and didn’t have decent gap control on a lot of run plays. Did they play admirably? 100%. Downright amazing? Eh. Missing players don’t account for a lot of the lapses. Edited October 9, 2023 by BBFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, BBFL said: Don’t think it was amazing by any standard, but that’s just me. They certainly played well for their circumstances but definitely underperformed from situational events. If that’s what we rolled out last week it wouldn’t have been pretty. Heck, if it’s any of the current top producing offenses in the league; 9ers, Minny, Fish, Lions or Chiefs, then the game wouldn’t have been in reach. They missed a lot of tackles, blew coverages and didn’t have decent gap control on a lot of run plays. Did they play admirably? 100%. Downright amazing? Eh. The simple point is that our fully intact offense needed to pickup our undermanned defense. They did not. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, BBFL said: They certainly played well for their circumstances but definitely underperformed from situational events. If that’s what we rolled out last week it wouldn’t have been pretty. Heck, if it’s any of the current top producing offenses in the league; 9ers, Minny, Fish, Lions or Chiefs, then the game wouldn’t have been in reach. They missed a lot of tackles, blew coverages and didn’t have decent gap control on a lot of run plays. Did they play admirably? 100%. Downright amazing? Eh. Missing players don’t account for a lot of the lapses. Hence the "considering..." part of my statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 With just a few minutes left in the 4th quarter, the score was 11-7. This game felt exactly like the 9-6 game 2 years ago. The only exception was our injury depleted D eventually ran out of gas. After the 1st qtr, Dorsey needed to identify what their D was doing. But he never did that. Deep stuff was there for the taking. Drops & under-throws contributed to our offense struggling. KD just didn't adjust fast enough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 The defense was more than shorthanded. It was all but obliterated by the time the Jags scored those two late TDs. As for the playcalling on offense I'd like to say I disagree but I can't. The last three weeks they have played against teams running a lot of zone and the dink and dunk has worked. They were still using that plan yesterday when it was clear, even early, that the Jags were running a ton of man concepts. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Hence the "considering..." part of my statement. I got that. Still don’t think they played anywhere near the standard of amazing. They played well, considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The defense was more than shorthanded. It was all but obliterated by the time the Jags scored those two late TDs. As for the playcalling on offense I'd like to say I disagree but I can't. The last three weeks they have played against teams running a lot of zone and the dink and dunk has worked. They were still using that plan yesterday when it was clear, even early, that the Jags were running a ton of man concepts. This is what I don’t get sometimes. I see Mahomes run for big gains against man defense when defenders are turned away like in that Jets game. Allen is a much better runner than Mahomes is but doesn’t seem to be able to exploit an obvious weakness consistently. Could’ve used that yesterday to eked out a tough win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 JOSH NORMAN?? WTF!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/8/2023 at 4:54 PM, Billsfan1972 said: And was saying this even when winning. The offense shouldn't look so laboured. Hate those 30 yard passes to the sideline for a gain of 2. Josh must have been too told not to run. Josh has been told not to run and yes, teams have figured that out. Imagine the longhorns telling vince young not to run in the 2005 season🤦♂️. Josh is a dual threat and yes, he needs to be free 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Last week the bills literally almost scored 50 points and their office has been rolling for three weeks straight until they went to London Why would we change anything? Do you think we’re going to win every game? 2 hours ago, major said: Josh has been told not to run and yes, teams have figured that out. Imagine the longhorns telling vince young not to run in the 2005 season🤦♂️. Josh is a dual threat and yes, he needs to be free Yeah, you can really see that he’s been told not to run That’s why he should whenever he makes it to his second read and nobody’s open just cut out the designed runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: JOSH NORMAN?? WTF!! Head scratcher for sure. He's been washed for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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