BananaB Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: Speed wins! I have confidence Beane knows what he's doing. One or more of these guys should produce at a high level. The Bills coaching staff and schemes will help these guys excell. Lastly, Allen can make these guys great! Trust the process. Heck, he can even be a legit WR2 for the team. Speed don’t win if it’s your only attribute. You gotta do more then just run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, BananaB said: Speed don’t win if it’s your only attribute. You gotta do more then just run. Well in fairness, I do think catching the football is also part of the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Every single summer since we drafted Josh, they’ve kicked the tires on epic speedsters. The guy is not even that fast. And I don't care what he ran on a track in college 5 years ago. Every corner in the NFL can probably run him down in pads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: He’s the dude they drafted with the pick from Miami for Rosen Ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted July 28, 2023 Author Share Posted July 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said: Ouch! The last WR taken before DK Metcalf too… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Queen Isabella??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Not sure why.. Fans want Hopkins.. we bring in Isabella.. kind of par for how we look at the Wr room but I’m not sure where anyone not named Hopkins fits. We already have Davis, Harty, Shakir and Sherfield..or maybe he is a special teams ace? It doesn’t really matter to me anymore as I’m all about lining up Kincaid on the field as much as possible. He is going to be a star. he fits in that you need like 10 guys to run routes in the first team, second team plus a few of those guys playing special teams reps. he’s a warm body to functionally run a full practice, and anything more is free money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: One of the MOST overhyped draft prospects ever. Should have gone rounds 6 or 7. Went round 2. Mental. The Senior Bowl is where his stock rose, correct? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Look at some point Beane will get a WR not named Diggs that has good hands. The amount of balls bouncing off these guys even in the first couple days of camp is ridiculous. He’s worth a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, Simon said: The guy is not even that fast. And I don't care what he ran on a track in college 5 years ago. Every corner in the NFL can probably run him down in pads. If he is close to his combine self (admittedly a big if), his 4.31 forty yard dash gathered a 9.91 RAS. That’s pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Look at some point Beane will get a WR not named Diggs that has good hands. The amount of balls bouncing off these guys even in the first couple days of camp is ridiculous. He’s worth a shot There was a guy called DHop... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: There was a guy called DHop... Well he did pretty much want to come here if the money was close. That ones on Brandon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: Well he did pretty much want to come here if the money was close. That ones on Brandon How is $13 million even close to the minimum that we were able to pay him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: If he is close to his combine self (admittedly a big if), his 4.31 forty yard dash gathered a 9.91 RAS. That’s pretty fast. I seriously don't care what he ran on a track in college 5 years ago. If you watch him on an NFL field in pads, he is not fast. He's got some quicks, but his long speed is middling in this league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: How is $13 million even close to the minimum that we were able to pay him Exactly after restructures he had the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BananaB said: What’s the combined reception total between Sherfield, Harty and Izabella. They must have about 12 years between them all, my guess would be below 175 without looking up stats. Speed means nothing if they can’t produce You're right on that combined reception total, but that comparison is actually pretty much unfair to Sherfield and Harty IMHO In Harty's lone less injured season as a WR, he had 36 receptions for 570 yds. He was also an all-pro KR/PR as a rookie and put up top numbers. (64 receptions total) Sherfield has been a ST regular (gunner) and still has 67 receptions for 844 yds. Best year 30 receptions 417 yds. Andy Isabella has 33 receptions in 4 years. IOW, his reception total in 4 years, is about the same as Harty and Sherfield had in 1 year. Both Harty and Sherfield were undrafted guys who had to fight their way onto a roster as STers and then do whatever they could to contribute while waiting for their chance. Isabella, on the other hand, was a 2nd round pick who was a lock for a roster spot for his first 3 years and was given every opportunity to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: How is $13 million even close to the minimum that we were able to pay him It is and isn’t on Beane. A lot of fans didn’t want it pick up the option on Oliver. We brought back Poyer (on the cheap) but against the cap, not so much. We found some money for Leonard Floyd. Matakevich, Neal and Hines (pre-injury) are mainly ST’s guys and when added up aren’t cheap. I’m not saying those were wrong decisions, but Hopkins would be on this team if we didn’t invest so heavily in cap dollars on defense. 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 hours ago, freddyjj said: UMass likely headed back to FCS per reports. Only been in FBS for less than 10 years and don’t belong there still really good talent there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: It is and isn’t on Beane. A lot of fans didn’t want it pick up the option on Oliver. We brought back Poyer (on the cheap) but against the cap, not so much. We found some money for Leonard Floyd. Matakevich, Neal and Hines (pre-injury) are mainly ST’s guys and when added up aren’t cheap. I’m not saying those were wrong decisions, but Hopkins would be on this team if we didn’t invest so heavily in cap dollars on defense. Exactly SC Beane just took his resources and put them elsewhere. He had the money for DHOP and looking at the deal he signed with Tenn. I think if the Bills got to 10 plus incentives that would have been enough. There is no right or wrong answer to what he’s done just he wanted to put his money in different places like special teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BananaB said: Speed don’t win if it’s your only attribute. You gotta do more then just run. Think Marquise Goodwin here. Allen can utilize his speed as a weapon. Dorsey will scheme him open. Beane has a plan here. Trust the process fans. 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: It is and isn’t on Beane. A lot of fans didn’t want it pick up the option on Oliver. We brought back Poyer (on the cheap) but against the cap, not so much. We found some money for Leonard Floyd. Matakevich, Neal and Hines (pre-injury) are mainly ST’s guys and when added up aren’t cheap. I’m not saying those were wrong decisions, but Hopkins would be on this team if we didn’t invest so heavily in cap dollars on defense. I agree. I'd rather have Dhop here than any of those guys the Bills signed as a result. 7 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Exactly SC Beane just took his resources and put them elsewhere. He had the money for DHOP and looking at the deal he signed with Tenn. I think if the Bills got to 10 plus incentives that would have been enough. There is no right or wrong answer to what he’s done just he wanted to put his money in different places like special teams. I am in the corner of wanting Dhop. Disappointed Beane chose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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