Don Otreply Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Just now, boyst said: ... On a case by case basis. Then you say "all teams." 🤔 Okay then, in this case, the Buffalo Bills by your logic are doomed, which is farcical statement / insinuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Okay then, in this case, the Buffalo Bills by your logic are doomed, which is farcical statement / insinuation. Not what I said either. On a case by case basis to judge a statement made by someone, in this case Scott, you must analyze the merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 22 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Isabella can be a game changer. Get it done Beane. I remember that many around here wanted to draft him. If he has been cut twice he really can’t be too much of a game changer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Sounds like a coaching problem to me https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/12/18/22188502/cardinals-misfiring-on-isabella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Really loved him coming out of college but he hasn't done anything since arriving in the NFL... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: I remember that many around here wanted to draft him. If he has been cut twice he really can’t be too much of a game changer. You don't think the Bills great coaching staff with Allen can't elevate his game? You can't teach speed. I can see him being a TD maker. Something like 40 catches 500 yards and 7 TDs. Maybe not a game changer but I quality WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 7 hours ago, FireChans said: Woah dude really? There was literally no other similarity. I'm curious why you picked those three when they're nothing like Isabella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: There was literally no other similarity. I'm curious why you picked those three when they're nothing like Isabella. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted July 28, 2023 Author Share Posted July 28, 2023 Welp! On a selfish note I love this because my wife’s name is Isabella and this is a perfect jersey opportunity for her lol 6 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Now we wait to hear which from the list of KeeSean Johnson, Dezmon Patmon, Isaiah Coulter, Jalen Wayne, Tyrell Shavers, Bryan Thompson, or Marcell Ateman are released to make room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Hopefully this guy can put it all together…👍 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 How often has a second round bust caught on with another team 4 years later and have a productive career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, SMAKCruiser said: How often has a second round bust caught on with another team 4 years later and have a productive career? Hope he's more Jerry Hughes than Corey Coleman. Although Hughes was much more productive, but also a higher pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I remember being so worried that this kid was going to be drafted by NE and go on to pester us as the next Julian Edelman lol. He's got wheels, that's for sure! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 How can it hurt? At worst, he's a camp body. At best, he's a lottery ticket that blooms late with Josh Allen as his qb. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said: How often has a second round bust caught on with another team 4 years later and have a productive career? What about Zay Jones? Not sure what round we drafted him in tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Welp! On a selfish note I love this because my wife’s name is Isabella and this is a perfect jersey opportunity for her lol Kind of looks a little like Pete Davidson in that pic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said: How often has a second round bust caught on with another team 4 years later and have a productive career? Well, as far as I’m concerned, the #6 WR spot is wide open…anything can happen…👍 Edited July 28, 2023 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I loved this kid coming out. He's had a tiny Murry who couldn't see him down field, and A Baltimore offence that doesn't throw the ball/ backup QBs. He might have something legit to offer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Well, as far as I’m concerned, the #6 WR spot is wide open…anything can happen…👍 WR2 position is open too. After Diggs there's a huge drop off. The Bills WR core isn't anything scary. Dhop or OBJ would have put a little fear in opposing g defenses. Instead BB decided to allocate his money elsewhere. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I guess Nkeal Harry is getting a workout too?? Happy they let Isabella try to compete for a spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, boyst said: Not what I said either. On a case by case basis to judge a statement made by someone, in this case Scott, you must analyze the merit. In this “case” Scott, bless his heart, hasn’t had a positive thing to say about this team in likely a decade plus, so the concept of merit went out the window a while ago, jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said: What about Zay Jones? Not sure what round we drafted him in tho Second round in 2017...nice comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Well, as far as I’m concerned, the #6 WR spot is wide open…anything can happen…👍 Not really. Usually don't cut a 5th Round Pick in the same year. 6th Round is usually the ceiling for same year Draft Picks cuts. Justin Shorter would really have to fall on his face in an epic fashion to not make the 53. Beane even said when he picked him he envisioned him "having a jersey" Year 1 as a Special Teamer, at least. I don't think Shorter is going anywhere Year 1. With his physical attributes and where he was selected, it would be a risky proposition trying to sneak him on the Practice Squad and keep him there. Edited July 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: WR2 position is open too. After Diggs there's a huge drop off. The Bills WR core isn't anything scary. Dhop or OBJ would have put a little fear in opposing g defenses. Instead BB decided to allocate his money elsewhere. We were top-five in offense last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: Sounds like a coaching problem to me https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/12/18/22188502/cardinals-misfiring-on-isabella So the author's solution to getting production out of Andy Isabella is he should be the #1 or #2 WR ahead of DeAndre Hopkins, Larry Fitz and Christian Kirk? 🤔 I don't think he's gonna be the #1 or #2 WR here, either And I think Josh Allen needs to build a lot of trust to throw so it gets there just as the receiver is coming out of his breaks Then there's the point that a change of scene to Baltimore didn't seem to help him any 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Is shakur spot safe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Franchiseneedsme said: I loved this kid coming out. He's had a tiny Murry who couldn't see him down field, and A Baltimore offence that doesn't throw the ball/ backup QBs. He might have something legit to offer I'll hope you're right 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Is shakur spot safe? To put it bluntly: No. Edited July 28, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 23 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Like not throwing scraps at the WR position just because you traded for Diggs three years ago? We use the first round pick on the receiving threat this year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 some musical chairs at who's competing to make the bottom of the WR room/practice squad. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Beck Water said: So the author's solution to getting production out of Andy Isabella is he should be the #1 or #2 WR ahead of DeAndre Hopkins, Larry Fitz and Christian Kirk? 🤔 I don't think he's gonna be the #1 or #2 WR here, either And I think Josh Allen needs to build a lot of trust to throw so it gets there just as the receiver is coming out of his breaks Then there's the point that a change of scene to Baltimore didn't seem to help him any This is the guy I wanted in the 2nd round, the failure is a mystery. I been reading alot about him today. Almost every story says he never got much of a chance with either team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: This is the guy I wanted in the 2nd round, the failure is a mystery. I been reading alot about him today. Almost every story says he never got much of a chance with either team I think it’s going to be hard here as well For all of the talk that we don’t address the wide receiver position, we do have some players that can actually play the position 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Is shakur spot safe? I mean, some talk about Shakir like he's going to be the second coming of Jerry Rice, but he is what he is. At the end of the day as much as I personally like the kid and think there is potential...he's a 5th round pick that had trouble seeing the field as a rookie and is reportedly dropping balls in camp this far. He's going to have to earn his spot IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, newcam2012 said: You don't think the Bills great coaching staff with Allen can't elevate his game? You can't teach speed. You can't coach speed, but we've had our share of speedsters who can't ball. So you can't coach ball into a guy who isn't a football player to start with (TJ Graham, Robert Foster, Marquez Stevenson) TJ Graham went through 6 teams plus CFL Foster is currently a FA after 7 teams gave him a try Stevenson was just cut by the Panthers, his 3rd team. Now I'll grant Isabella stayed with his first team 3 years, which puts him ahead of those guys as a football player. But the point remains - you can't coach speed, but you can't football into a guy who doesn't have the instincts for it by the time he hits the pros, either Maybe I'm wrong about Isabella. Maybe he can ball, and just hasn't had the right chance with the right coach used in the right way. 1 hour ago, SMAKCruiser said: How often has a second round bust caught on with another team 4 years later and have a productive career? Zay Jones. Took 5-6 years though. Edited July 28, 2023 by Beck Water 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, HOUSE said: This is the guy I wanted in the 2nd round, the failure is a mystery. I been reading alot about him today. Almost every story says he never got much of a chance with either team Feels like there's even more people in front of him here, he's not a 2nd round pick here, he's going to have grind it out to get ahead of people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: We were top-five in offense last year Remove Josh rushing production, heck, remove half of it and where are we? Stats😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I mean, some talk about Shakir like he's going to be the second coming of Jerry Rice, but he is what he is. At the end of the day as much as I personally like the kid and think there is potential...he's a 5th round pick that had trouble seeing the field as a rookie and is reportedly dropping balls in camp this far. He's going to have to earn his spot IMO. Exactly. Starting out, the patience a team has for a player who is struggling, roughly tracks with where he was drafted, and whether he was drafted by the current staff or not. So 3rd round pick Dawson Knox gets more patience when he looks like "dropsome" than 5th round pick Khalil Shakir. Then, a player earns patience by what he's contributed to the team. Gabe Davis has had 1 game >200 yds, 5 games over 100 yds, and something like 15 games over 70 yds (ave 70 ypg is what the top-15 WR collect). That's out of 54 games played. So that's pushing towards 30% of his games, contribute yardage at the level of a top WR. That earns him extra patience for a 4th rounder. Last season, people on this board loved to prop Shakir up because they were frustrated with the guy playing ahead of him - Isaiah McKenzie. And he did show flashes. But it's also true Shakir dropped 2 of his 20 targets last season - scored drops, meaning someone said "yeah, a decent receiver oughtta haul that one in" There were times when he ran the wrong route. There were times against zone when he threw the mail flag up oblivious to where he was relative to defenders who weren't actually chasing him. Like @BuffaloBillyG said, he's gonna have to earn it, and he's got competition. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Beck Water said: To put it bluntly: No. 30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I mean, some talk about Shakir like he's going to be the second coming of Jerry Rice, but he is what he is. At the end of the day as much as I personally like the kid and think there is potential...he's a 5th round pick that had trouble seeing the field as a rookie and is reportedly dropping balls in camp this far. He's going to have to earn his spot IMO. I couldn't disagree with you both more. Shakir is safe. I don't think he's "the second coming of Jerry Rice". But he played well being brought along slowly as a Rookie and has been talked up by Beane and McDermott post season as in line to get more reps going into Year 2. The Drafting of Kincaid will surely mean he's going to being splitting reps in the Slot. But he isn't going anywhere barring injury. At the end of the day, Isabella is only making it if we decide to keep 7 WR's or someone gets injured. Diggs, Davis, Harty, Shakir, Sherfield, and Shorter are pretty much set in stone - save for an injury. Edited July 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I couldn't disagree with you both more. Shakir is safe. I don't think he's "the second coming of Jerry Rice". But he played well being brought along slowly as a Rookie and has been talked up by Beane and McDermott post season as in line to get more reps going into Year 2. The Drafting of Kincaid will surely mean he's going to being splitting reps in the Slot. But he isn't going anywhere barring injury. At the end of the day, Isabella is only making it if we decide to keep 7 WR's or someone gets injured. Diggs, Davis, Harty, Shakir, Sherfield, and Shorter are pretty much set in stone - save for an injury. I was surprised that they signed Isabella, but he is basically a lottery ticket 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I couldn't disagree with you both more. Shakir is safe. I don't think he's "the second coming of Jerry Rice". But he played well being brought along slowly as a Rookie and has been talked up by Beane and McDermott post season as in line to get more reps going into Year 2. The Drafting of Kincaid will surely mean he's going to being splitting reps in the Slot. But he isn't going anywhere barring injury. At the end of the day, Isabella is only making it if we decide to keep 7 WR's or someone gets injured. Diggs, Davis, Harty, Shakir, Sherfield, and Shorter are pretty much set in stone - save for an injury. Yeah and you probably aren't wrong in what the result will be. But at the end of the day if the Bills don't feel his play deserves continued investment or someone out plays him on the field they do not have a significant investment in him this far and could move on if a better option presents itself. I don't see it happening as I believe he will show to be one of the top 6 WRs, but if he doesn't they will move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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