Solomon Grundy Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, maddenboy said: i hope not. I dont want to be proven right. I hope its not too late to add a weapon. or a playmaker (leonard floyd is a good start). Not a personnel guru so i cant name names. But i hope something changes because these weapons and these defenders arent enuf. I like their defensive personnel. Floyd was a huge get. Just need for everyone to stay healthy. Still want a reliable, consistent receiver opposite Diggs. Beasley was that guy 2 seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: We’ve talked about this many times but man it still amazes me how we only lost 3 games with arguably the most important unit on the team being a total crap fest. I think we made some nice upgrades this off season but man Allen keeps proving hes a generational talent as he shouldn’t have had to go this long before we started to seriously upgrade this unit. Seriously, how good is Allen to put up the numbers he did with the 30th rated O line and only ONE elite play maker. 53 minutes ago, maddenboy said: I said, and still say, that the Eagles would still beat the Bills if the teams switched lines. Are you really saying that if the Bills had the Eagles O line and the Eagles had the Bills O line last season the Eagles would still beat the Bills? NO. FREAKING. WAY. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, maddenboy said: This is not a thread about comparing two teams, per se. It is about whether we did enough to Win the Super Bowl This year. My point is that, no matter whose O-Line we have, the rest of the team as constituted is not winning the superbowl This year. once again, as i stated earlier, This. ^^^ agree to disagree on the specific instance of one team switching lines with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Seriously, how good is Allen to put up the numbers he did with the 30th rated O line and only ONE elite play maker. Are you really saying that if the Bills had the Eagles O line and the Eagles had the Bills O line last season the Eagles would still beat the Bills? NO. FREAKING. WAY. I agree Allen is fantastic. However, at some point if the Bills fail to progress further does Allen start getting some blame? Heat? Criticism? I suspect not. He's far from the Bills problem. In fact, he's the rock that keeps the Bills ticking imo. Nevertheless, just wondering if football fans, the media, and football experts start pegging Allen back in the pecking QB order. Not that it really matters. The QB rankings always seem to be a fun talking point. One thing that I'm kind of keeping an eye on is Allen's media hype, commercials, Madden covet, Hollywood GF, golf venues on TV, etc...I can't hate that he's marketing himself and making money. Just wonder if how if any it affects his game. The old timer in me kind of doesn't like it. But times have really changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Between guys getting healthy, FAs, and draft picks, I think every position group is better LB. Hopefully, we're not degraded by new injuries to key players. I don't want anyone to be injured but if players have to get hurt, I hope it's JAGs, not Josh, Tre, Von, or Diggs. If we stay reasonably healthy, we have a shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 4 hours ago, maddenboy said: i hope not. I dont want to be proven right. I hope its not too late to add a weapon. or a playmaker (leonard floyd is a good start). Not a personnel guru so i cant name names. But i hope something changes because these weapons and these defenders arent enuf. They were enough to beat KC last season. You’re remembering the roster after being decimated with injuries. Not the team we had to start the season. Plus 2 new potential starters on the IOL and a potential top tier TE/ slot. Potential that we hope is realized sooner rather than later. We just need key players to stay healthy and we have as good a chance as anyone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 11 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Most of the guys you mentioned are fringe starters though. I like Beane but that’s not a great 3 year crop if we’re being real. As always, the draft is a crapshoot. It’s not like the players they drafted in those 3 years were reach picks taken 2 rounds earlier than projected. I’d more question the player development capabilities of their staff. Why haven’t players like Epenesa and Gabe Davis improved to another level? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: The Bills have to keep reaching into the veteran scrap pile because whether anyone here wants to admit it or not they have had terrible drafts. How many of their 2021-2023 draft picks will start this year? The answer is likely ZERO I think Torrence will start at some point this year. Edited June 29, 2023 by JoPoy88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: I think Torrence will start at some point this year. The responses seem to be "I think so and so may start some games or play a lot." Is that really the standard you want from 3 years of draft picks? "Some of them might play at some point." Yikes guys. Too many people with their heads in the clouds here Edited June 29, 2023 by KDIGGZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 10 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I agree Allen is fantastic. However, at some point if the Bills fail to progress further does Allen start getting some blame? Heat? Criticism? I suspect not. He's far from the Bills problem. In fact, he's the rock that keeps the Bills ticking imo. Nevertheless, just wondering if football fans, the media, and football experts start pegging Allen back in the pecking QB order. Not that it really matters. The QB rankings always seem to be a fun talking point. One thing that I'm kind of keeping an eye on is Allen's media hype, commercials, Madden covet, Hollywood GF, golf venues on TV, etc...I can't hate that he's marketing himself and making money. Just wonder if how if any it affects his game. The old timer in me kind of doesn't like it. But times have really changed. As long as Allen plays like he has the last 3 seasons the answer is NO on whether he deserves blame for the Bills failure to reach the SB. There will always be an undercurrent of "experts" who will jump on anything to move Allen down the QB rankings list. They claimed he would fail when drafted and they want at least partial vindication for what turned out to be among the worst predictions of a QB's success in NFL history. The problem for the Allen haters, and most of these people are exactly that, is that love or hate PFF having the 30th ranked O line (okay maybe it was only the 25th worst yet maybe it was the worst) and still putting up the individual and team stats that Allen put up is amazing. And a shout out to Dorsey to. The rookie O coordinator has taken a beating on 1BD but what he accomplished with a bad O line is pretty solid. As for Allen's commercial activities? Come on man, Mahomes, Rogers & Burrow are not exactly shy about their non-football elated commercial projects. As an elite NFL QB Allen was inevitably going to be featured in commercials. And I see no evidence from his production or the teams success to believe it has negatively influenced his play in any way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I love what they did Guys like Harty,McGovern, Edwards, Ford,Shell will shock ppl how good they are. Kinda like Daquan signing This roster is LOADED top to bottom with a ton of depth 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 12 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I agree Allen is fantastic. However, at some point if the Bills fail to progress further does Allen start getting some blame? Heat? Criticism? If this upcoming season ends in another lackluster playoff performance loss he would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 People forget about Ike and Doyle too. OCyrus is a huge upgrade, the questions really lie at LG and RT. I think the Bills can get into the 15-20 range, which will bode well for Josh and the improved run game as well. With all the competition they brought in, the cream will rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 6 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: The responses seem to be "I think so and so may start some games or play a lot." Is that really the standard you want from 3 years of draft picks? "Some of them might play at some point." Yikes guys. Too many people with their heads in the clouds here Realistic=head in the clouds now? Okay. Some rookies start right away. Others don’t. For a variety of factors beyond “the GM screwed up again” by the way. Yikes is right. Watch football more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Whether or not we win a Super Bowl will have little to do with the play of our O-line. O-line helps keep a QB healthy and they help runt he clock, but winning teams have been scheming around sub-par line play for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 17 hours ago, newcam2012 said: the old timer in me kind of doesn't like it. But times have really changed. Didn't seem to affect old Joe Namaths game being in the spotlight. He even did a pantyhose commercial. Won a Super bowl too I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 42 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Didn't seem to affect old Joe Namaths game being in the spotlight. He even did a pantyhose commercial. Won a Super bowl too I believe. Joe was on another planet. I'm sure he was plenty a tipsy while playing the game. I get your point though. Today's modern day athletes seem to be able to multiple task well. Except maybe not Ja Morant... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 19 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I agree Allen is fantastic. However, at some point if the Bills fail to progress further does Allen start getting some blame? Heat? Criticism? If he plays like he has the last five years, and has only one playmaker and the 30th ranked offensive line, he would only get heat from total idiots. He already gets heat from some total idiots. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 33 minutes ago, Chaos said: If he plays like he has the last five years, and has only one playmaker and the 30th ranked offensive line, he would only get heat from total idiots. He already gets heat from some total idiots. Thats a blanket statement and i disagree. Josh has had some poor play. Of his own doing. On the other side of the coin , he has carried the Team plenty of times 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 it feels like we are buying a SB rather rather than building a system for long term success like the Steelers or (gasp) Patriots 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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