To all the Fire McDermott Posters, a follow up question..

[ChicagoRic]

Who is your replacement?  Who will absolutely, positively, 100%, be that "better" choice you are clamoring for?

 

I keep on hearing "McDermott is the problem."

 

Who is the solution? Someone actually available to be hired. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by ChicagoRic

[SCBills]

Ask me after the season. 
 

Im hopeful he is the guy, and this discussion goes by the wayside, but this question is nonsensical in the middle of June. 
 

If the team makes a jump in the postseason, I think most of us will want to stay the course. 
 

If we win the Super Bowl, his job is safe for years. 
 

If not, I’d think most will advocate for an offensive guy.  The OC in Detroit comes to mind as an option off the top of my head. 

[GoBills808]

Ben Johnson

 

Fyi 'the next guy might be worse' is not a ringing endorsement 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Ben Johnson

 

Fyi 'the next guy might be worse' is not a ringing endorsement 

He’s the only reason I would’ve been ok with firing McDermott after last season.  I don’t think McD deserved to get fired and I think he’s a good coach.  I just think Johnson might just the perfect fit for Josh allen.  

[billsbackto81]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Ask me after the season. 
 

Im hopeful he is the guy, and this discussion goes by the wayside, but this question is nonsensical in the middle of June. 
 

If the team makes a jump in the postseason, I think most of us will want to stay the course. 
 

If we win the Super Bowl, his job is safe for years. 
 

If not, I’d think most will advocate for an offensive guy.  The OC in Detroit comes to mind as an option off the top of my head. 

Tell that to Doug Pedersen.😂

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

He’s the only reason I would’ve been ok with firing McDermott after last season.  I don’t think McD deserved to get fired and I think he’s a good coach.  I just think Johnson might just the perfect fit for Josh allen.  

In not thrilled w McDermott but I don't think he needs to be fired yet

 

But if this guy was available and I was pegula I'd have a hard time not pulling the trigger

[Airseven]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Ask me after the season. 

Indeed. Not in the sense of the Bills possibly getting over the hump this season, mind you, but in terms of identifying viable candidates.

[Chaos]

23 minutes ago, ChicagoRic said:

Who is your replacement?  Who will absolutely, positively, 100%, be that "better" choice you are clamoring for?

 

I keep on hearing "McDermott is the problem."

 

Who is the solution? Someone actually available to be hired. 

I didn't know who Sean McVay was (other than John McVay's grandson), Nick Sirianis or Zac Taylor were before they became head coaches.  All have had more playoff success than McDermott.   I doubt you knew who any of those guys were.   I doubt you were banging the drum to hire Sean McDermott.  So can we all agree to not pretend we know the universe of potential head coaches, and are also certain none could be better than McDermott?

[Donuts and Doritos]

I hear this guy's available:

 

https://images.app.goo.gl/1yJNCuPwsErJexGo6

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[Behindenemylines]

So if the season is a little rough-we sneak in as a wild card but we win the SB is McD still toast?

 

will the fire him now crowd still want him gone because we didn’t go 14-3 to win the SB? 

 

 

[Dan in Owego]

Huge Dave Aranda fan, would be pleased though if it never becomes a possibility.

[Billsflyer12]

1 hour ago, ChicagoRic said:

Who is your replacement?  Who will absolutely, positively, 100%, be that "better" choice you are clamoring for?

 

I keep on hearing "McDermott is the problem."

 

Who is the solution? Someone actually available to be hired. 

So NO coach can now be fired unless the team has a replacement already that is “absolutely, positively, 100% be better?”

When has that been the standard in any sport?  No coach would EVER be fired if you have to have the “absolutely, positively, 100% be better“ guarantee because you could never guarantee that.

 

Their are reasonable arguments one could make for McDermott not to be fired, the “absolutely, positively, 100% be better“ one is so stupid and definitely not one of them.

- Rex Ryan who was .500 with Bills and had been to 2 AFC Championship Games with Jets.  Was a certain DC from Panthers with no HC experience a “absolutely, positively, 100% better” choice?

 

- 10 Super Bowl winning coaches have later been fired.  Their replacements guaranteed to be better?

- Of the 11 coaches who won their 1st Super Bowl in season 7 or later (where McD is now) did so after being fired from previous team.  Having already been fired were they guaranteed to be better the who they replaced?

- 3 NBA coaches were fired in last month who had won recent NBA Championships.

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by Billsflyer12

[LABILLBACKER]

I'm willing to give him one more year. He'll have full control of the defense so there will be no more scapegoats. Josh and the 23 roster is good enough to get us into the playoffs. McDermott's future will depend on finding a way to jump KC & Cincy.  If we lose another playoff game where the defense fails, I'm done with him.  Bring in Ben Johnson. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Ben Johnson

 

Fyi 'the next guy might be worse' is not a ringing endorsement 

Of course it is
You now have a coach that has not missed the playoffs in what three years 13 and three season

You change coaches there’s every possibility that you’re looking at a top 10 pack

23 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

So NO coach can now be fired unless the team has a replacement already that is “absolutely, positively, 100% be better?”

When has that been the standard in any sport?  No coach would EVER be fired if you have to have the “absolutely, positively, 100% be better“ guarantee because you could never guarantee that.

 

Their are reasonable arguments one could make for McDermott not to be fired, the “absolutely, positively, 100% be better“ one is so stupid and definitely not one of them.

 

- 10 Super Bowl winning coaches have later been fired.  Their replacements guaranteed to be better?

- Of the 11 coaches who won their 1st Super Bowl in season 7 or later (where McD is now) did so after being fired from previous team.  Having already been fired were they guaranteed to be better the who they replaced?

- 3 NBA coaches were fired in last month who had won recent NBA Championships.

 

Things have happened to playing themselves out
 

If we regress, then you know they’re going to seriously look at it

 

If they’re going 13 and three, he’s not gonna get fired

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Of course it is
You now have a coach that has not missed the playoffs in what three years 13 and three season

You change coaches there’s every possibility that you’re looking at a top 10 pack

Things have happened to playing themselves out
 

If we regress, then you know they’re going to seriously look at it

 

If they’re going 13 and three, he’s not gonna get fired

Or a Super Bowl. Why not be optimistic

 

[SoMAn]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

In not thrilled w McDermott but I don't think he needs to be fired yet

 

But if this guy was available and I was pegula I'd have a hard time not pulling the trigger

After a 17 year playoff drought McDermott has led the Bills to 5 berths in 6 years, including one with journeyman QB Tyrod Taylor. If the Pegulas fired McDermott and hired one of your unproven prospects, it would be a huge gamble. There are numerous coordinators and college coaches who were touted as the next great thing, only to be on the street in 3 years. 
  If that scenario played out in Buffalo, the mafia would be after Pegula with torches and pitchforks. 
I think the expectation that the Bills should have won a Super Bowl is unrealistic. Could they? Yes. But they probably haven’t been good enough yet. 
  The Bills came closest to getting to the Super Bowl when they lost the 13-second game.
  In hindsight it might turn out to have been a blessing in disguise that they lost. Had they gone on to play Tampa Bay and been slaughtered (as the Chiefs were), that 5th Bills’ Super Bowl loss could have been an emotional burden the current squad might never been able to recover from, even though most of the team wasn’t even born yet during the 0-4 run. 
A change at the head coach position could be a disaster. Be careful what you wish for. 

[Since1981]

 “would another team hire Bills HC away?”  No. 
 

“would the bills hire 4 other HC if any choice?”   Yes. 
 

We don’t have a top 15 HC. We’d try many swings for top 15 QB. HC should be treated similarly 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Ask me after the season. 
 

Im hopeful he is the guy, and this discussion goes by the wayside, but this question is nonsensical in the middle of June. 
 

If the team makes a jump in the postseason, I think most of us will want to stay the course. 
 

If we win the Super Bowl, his job is safe for years. 
 

If not, I’d think most will advocate for an offensive guy.  The OC in Detroit comes to mind as an option off the top of my head. 

 

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

I didn't know who Sean McVay was (other than John McVay's grandson), Nick Sirianis or Zac Taylor were before they became head coaches.  All have had more playoff success than McDermott.   I doubt you knew who any of those guys were.   I doubt you were banging the drum to hire Sean McDermott.  So can we all agree to not pretend we know the universe of potential head coaches, and are also certain none could be better than McDermott?

 

I think as the OP points out, so many people here seem to be calling for blood so it then begs the questions.

 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

After a 17 year playoff drought McDermott has led the Bills to 5 berths in 6 years, including one with journeyman QB Tyrod Taylor. If the Pegulas fired McDermott and hired one of your unproven prospects, it would be a huge gamble. There are numerous coordinators and college coaches who were touted as the next great thing, only to be on the street in 3 years. 
  If that scenario played out in Buffalo, the mafia would be after Pegula with torches and pitchforks. 
I think the expectation that the Bills should have won a Super Bowl is unrealistic. Could they? Yes. But they probably haven’t been good enough yet. 
  The Bills came closest to getting to the Super Bowl when they lost the 13-second game.
  In hindsight it might turn out to have been a blessing in disguise that they lost. Had they gone on to play Tampa Bay and been slaughtered (as the Chiefs were), that 5th Bills’ Super Bowl loss could have been an emotional burden the current squad might never been able to recover from, even though most of the team wasn’t even born yet during the 0-4 run. 
A change at the head coach position could be a disaster. Be careful what you wish for. 

Yes, things could be worse. I grant you that

 

But some folks seem to be operating under the impression that they couldn't possibly get any better

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

After a 17 year playoff drought McDermott has led the Bills to 5 berths in 6 years, including one with journeyman QB Tyrod Taylor. If the Pegulas fired McDermott and hired one of your unproven prospects, it would be a huge gamble. There are numerous coordinators and college coaches who were touted as the next great thing, only to be on the street in 3 years. 
  If that scenario played out in Buffalo, the mafia would be after Pegula with torches and pitchforks. 
I think the expectation that the Bills should have won a Super Bowl is unrealistic. Could they? Yes. But they probably haven’t been good enough yet. 
  The Bills came closest to getting to the Super Bowl when they lost the 13-second game.
  In hindsight it might turn out to have been a blessing in disguise that they lost. Had they gone on to play Tampa Bay and been slaughtered (as the Chiefs were), that 5th Bills’ Super Bowl loss could have been an emotional burden the current squad might never been able to recover from, even though most of the team wasn’t even born yet during the 0-4 run. 
A change at the head coach position could be a disaster. Be careful what you wish for. 

 

 

A worse burden then one of the worst choke jobs in history with the 13 seconds debacle?  
 

 

 

McD has proven he’s a great HC and if he could add a SB in the next 2-3 years he will go down as an all time great HC.  
 

And, some fans may want to move on from him bc he hasn’t gotten it done and has choked.  Only 1 AFCCG appearance.  

 

I said after 13 seconds clean house - not really believing you do that bc it would look ridiculous - just that it’s going to inevitably come to that.  
 

Imo the first crack that showed this group wasn’t over that was Diggs.  I think he played good soldier after the Dorsey hire but ultimately didn’t agree with it, thought it was catering to or babying Josh, and didn’t think it would pan out bc it’s a rookie OC and this team needs to win now.  The minute they looked “not elite” he began to get….to where he is now.  Not sold that McD can get it done.  
 

That doesn’t mean he should be fired.  It’s just a movie I’ve seen the ending of countless times in this league.  My knee jerk reaction a year ago was let’s just get this over with before Josh turns 30.   
 

Going in to year 7, 8, 9 - if no SB or AFCCG appearance I don’t know how he keeps the locker room let alone the fans.  I just don’t think Pegula will fire him.   

 

If things go bad this year it needs to be a consideration.  We have a generational QB we need to figure out how to maximize.  I truly believe that’s all at the heart of what is up with Diggs v McD v Dorsey v Allen.