Is there anything considered very Buffalo you don’t embrace?

[teef]

21 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

So my opinion is not valid because you disagree. I'm saying it just to say it, not because I feel that way. Got it.

 

Let me repeat. I've never had a Genesee product I've enjoyed in my life. Not one. Not in cans, not in bottles, not on draft, not regular Genny, not the Cream Ale, not Genny Light, not any of the things that are supposed to be more small batch, not when all I drank was cheap beer and not now when all I drink is expensive beer. In my opinion, Genesee beer sucks. Feel free to drink it yourself, plenty of people do.

lol!  we're you crying when you typed this?   i made the comment because so many people just parrot it out without actually trying the product.  i hadn't had one in years, thought it was solid and wondered what the problem was.  

5 minutes ago, T&C said:

Calm down, you're going to be just fine.

i'm not sure he is.

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Actually, Red Baron is prolly better than the dreck that comes out of LaNova or Bocce

Thats what makes it awful and heavy ...New Haven #1, New York #2, Bar Pie#3, Neopolitan#4, Detriot #5(the dough much lighter and airier than Buffalo).. that's it, that's the end of acceptable pizza styles...Buffalo does not make the list

I’ve had tons of terrible pizza in New York city

 

And Detroit

[plenzmd1]

3 hours ago, gomper said:

The Goo Goo Dolls. Beyond overrated. 

 

I prefer to think of Rick James as our contribution to the world of music.

Sprya Gyra is the real contribution from Buffalo for us old timers!

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I’ve had tons of terrible pizza in New York city

 

And Detroit

tons of bad pizza everywhere, i am just saying when people say"damn, i miss Buffalo pizza" i think damn, you miss awfulness😜

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

42 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Let me repeat. I've never had a Genesee product I've enjoyed in my life. Not one. Not in cans, not in bottles, not on draft, not regular Genny, not the Cream Ale, not Genny Light, not any of the things that are supposed to be more small batch, not when all I drank was cheap beer and not now when all I drink is expensive beer. In my opinion, Genesee beer sucks. Feel free to drink it yourself, plenty of people do.

Would you drink one in a boat?  Would you drink one with a goat?

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Sprya Gyra is the real contribution from Buffalo for us old timers!

tons of bad pizza everywhere, i am just saying when people say"damn, i miss Buffalo pizza" i think damn, you miss awfulness😜

While I’ve had terrible pizza in New York City I’ve had great pizza… same with Detroit and most places 

 

but I’ve also had Great pizza in Buffalo… Like, Technically speaking Buffalo is the pizza capital of America…. There are more pizzerias here per capita than anywhere else in America

 

Buffaloes a lot more than Lenova or bocce club… There are a lot of really good small mom and pop pizzerias

 

You can get Neopolitan and brick oven in Buffalo… you can get specialties … You can get thick crust medium crust thin crust

 

The variety in the buffalo pizza game is big

Edited June 5, 2023 by Buffalo716

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, teef said:

i had a cream ale at a hockey game recently. same with genny light.  it's not bad all.  at this point i think people say it just because.   on top of that, it's really more of a rochester thing.

Light is okay but Cream Ale, ick no thank you.

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

While I’ve had terrible pizza in New York City I’ve had great pizza… same with Detroit and most places 

 

but I’ve also had Great pizza in Buffalo… Like, Technically speaking Buffalo is the pizza capital of America…. There are more pizzerias here per capita than anywhere else in America

 

Buffaloes a lot more than Lenova or bocce club… There are a lot of really good small mom and pop pizzerias

 

You can get Neopolitan and brick oven in Buffalo… you can get specialties … You can get thick crust medium crust thin crust

 

The variety in the buffalo pizza game is big

Franco's, Imperial, Bocce Club, Picasso's and La Nova my current ranking. Yet I will say I'm not into the cup and char pepperoni instead give me mushroom, black olives and Italian sausage.

Edited June 5, 2023 by The Jokeman

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Light is okay but Creme Ale, ick no thank you.

Franco's, Imperial, Bocce Club, Picasso's and La Nova my current ranking. Yet I will say I'm not into the char pepperoni instead give me mushroom, black olives and Italian sausage.

All 5 are staples.. Some of the biggest names in Buffalo And make good pie 

 

But it’s the hundreds of small mom and pop shops which really keep the pizzeria game afloat in Buffalo

you can have 3-4 pizzerias within a few blocks … competition is fierce 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Buffalo716

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

All 5 are staples.. Some of the biggest names in Buffalo And make good pie 

 

But it’s the hundreds of small mom and pop shops which really keep the pizzeria game afloat in Buffalo

 

True hell I remember when there was just one Franco's and Bocce as grew up in Kenmore. I also like Bob and John's on Hertel growing up but had them recently and was missing something. 

[teef]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Light is okay but Cream Ale, ick no thank you.

 

trust me...i was completely with you.  i had once of those moments where someone asked if i wanted a beer and of course that's what they came back with.  i wasn't not going to drink it, but it was solid.  i had it in my head it was the worst beer on the market, and it really wasn't.  the name alone is enough to stay away though.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

True hell I remember when there was just one Franco's and Bocce as grew up in Kenmore. I also like Bob and John's on Hertel growing up but had them recently and was missing something. 

Haven’t been to Bob and Johns in a while …

 

my new jam is Rocco’s wood fired pizza in Williamsville 

[plenzmd1]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

While I’ve had terrible pizza in New York City I’ve had great pizza… same with Detroit and most places 

 

but I’ve also had Great pizza in Buffalo… Like, Technically speaking Buffalo is the pizza capital of America…. There are more pizzerias here per capita than anywhere else in America

 

Buffaloes a lot more than Lenova or bocce club… There are a lot of really good small mom and pop pizzerias

 

You can get Neopolitan and brick oven in Buffalo… you can get specialties … You can get thick crust medium crust thin crust

 

The variety in the buffalo pizza game is big

Absolutely some great pizza in Buffalo, but i am talking about "Buffalo Style" like LaNova.

 

Heard these folks are doing great NY Style ...always stay over that way for Bills game, look forward to trying them home opener weekend

 

https://www.extraextrapizza.com/

[Buffalo716]

34 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Absolutely some great pizza in Buffalo, but i am talking about "Buffalo Style" like LaNova.

 

Heard these folks are doing great NY Style ...always stay over that way for Bills game, look forward to trying them home opener weekend

 

https://www.extraextrapizza.com/

Unless You’re getting a Neapolitan or woodfired pizza or deep dish

 

Technically every pizzeria in Buffalo serves buffalo style

 

Cup and char + sweet sauce + cheese to edge = buffalo … 

 

and that is 95% of the 600 pizzerias lol

 

a sweet house sauce + cup and char + cheese piled to the edge is buffalo pizza … whether thicker or medium crust 

 

 

I would classify this pizza from extra extra pizza as buffalo style

 

Not thin crust… Cup and char… And cheese and toppings piled to the edge

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Buffalo716

[stuvian]

still waiting for a good movie set in Buffalo. Buffaloed, Buffalo 66 and Bruce Almighty do not do the city justice

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i'm not sure he is.

I haven't been in a long time.

[teef]

4 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I haven't been in a long time.

I’m right there with ya.  After all, I’m the one drinking cream ales. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Re: Genessee Beer:  'Genny' was my father's beer of choice when I was a mere pratt of a lad, so over the years I would very occasionally buy a case of pounders just for the hell of it.  Also bemused the Canada customs staff when I would declare a case coming home to Canada.  I did notice that Genessee was probably the worst beer I ever drank that promoted 'cotton mouth'.  Finish a Genny, 15 minutes later your mouth is like the middle of the Mojave Desert.  The only solution was either water, or more Genny pounders.

[muppy]

regarding the pizza debate. I contend that dough consisting of flour,salt,  yeast and water is so basic that it should taste the same in WNY as it does in California

 

I beg to differ. I have said this many times in the past. IMO what makes WNY pizza superior is the water used in the dough.

 

When I come home the pizza I eat (traditional BFLO style ) from "Pontillos" aka Batavias Best Pizza the crust just tastes Better.

 

It's my story and I'm sticking to it. 

[BillsPride12]

1 minute ago, muppy said:

regarding the pizza debate. I contend that dough consisting of flour,salt,  yeast and water is so basic that it should taste the same in WNY as it does in California

 

I beg to differ. I have said this many times in the past. IMO what makes WNY pizza superior is the water used in the dough.

 

When I come home the pizza I eat (traditional BFLO style ) from "Pontillos" aka Batavias Best Pizza the crust just tastes Better.

 

It's my story and I'm sticking to it. 

I didn't know you were from Batavia Muppy...were you still living in the area when Planes, Trains, and Automobiles was filmed?  I forget which pizzeria it was but one night the owner invited John Candy in after hours(and apparently a lot of beers from the story I was told lol) and he was back in the kitchen whipping up his own pizzas.  One of those WNY Urban Legends but I have been in there once and they do have photo evidence hanging on the walls! 

[muppy]

8 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

I didn't know you were from Batavia Muppy...were you still living in the area when Planes, Trains, and Automobiles was filmed?  I forget which pizzeria it was but one night the owner invited John Candy in after hours(and apparently a lot of beers from the story I was told lol) and he was back in the kitchen whipping up his own pizzas.  One of those WNY Urban Legends but I have been in there once and they do have photo evidence hanging on the walls! 

No. I left the area in 1978.

 

haha I hadn't heard that one. I went to high school with Lizzie Pontillo and knew her parents and siblings dating back to early 70's. I thought their pizza was superb!

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, muppy said:

regarding the pizza debate. I contend that dough consisting of flour,salt,  yeast and water is so basic that it should taste the same in WNY as it does in California

 

I beg to differ. I have said this many times in the past. IMO what makes WNY pizza superior is the water used in the dough.

 

When I come home the pizza I eat (traditional BFLO style ) from "Pontillos" aka Batavias Best Pizza the crust just tastes Better.

 

It's my story and I'm sticking to it. 

That’s been the old wives tale but idk 

 

Seeing as most Buffalo pizzerias use straight up tapwater… which is nothing special 

 

What I think does make a difference… is the flour to water ratio in the dough and the humidity level 

 

pizza dough seems to proof better in certain conditions better than other …

 

You can take your recipe in New York and make the pizza… Bring it down to the driest town in Arizona …. And I don’t think it will proof the same

[muppy]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That’s been the old wives tale but idk 

 

Seeing as most Buffalo pizzerias use straight up tapwater… which is nothing special 

 

What I think does make a difference… is the flour to water ratio in the dough and the humidity level 

 

pizza dough seems to proof better in certain conditions better than other …

 

You can take your recipe in New York and make the pizza… Bring it down to the driest town in Arizona …. And I don’t think it will proof the same

or it could just be my homer taste buds 🙂  But not all tap water is the same trust me. Even WNY tap water tastes better to me than out of the tap Cali water. People here go out of their way not to drink it.  There are likely other reasons for the taste also Im not privey to that.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, muppy said:

or it could just be my homer taste buds 🙂  But not all tap water is the same trust me. Even WNY tap water tastes better to me than out of the tap Cali water. People here go out of their way not to drink it.  There are likely other reasons for the taste also Im not privey to that.

Absolutely… I’m sure the East Coast does have better tap

 

But I’ve seen what humidity can to dough so I know that’s also a factor

[TheCockSportif]

4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Add Bar-Bill

 

I thought Koch's was out of Dunkirk, NY. Koch's definitely NOT Rochester. Especially back in the day! Maybe it is now. 

 

Because it's all in the gravy.

 

Have you never been to South Bend?

 

Well that's the point, the beef on week was invented to be given away gratis in order to sell more beer from the bar.

 

 

Yeah, Bar-Bill.  Heard a ton about it then meh.

 

Maybe it's a different Koch's?  https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/302/4942/

 

I was introduced to 'weck when I was 7 or 8, so that was long before getting something "suitable" to wash it down.  Maybe that colored my impression, trying to wash it down with a water (my parents would rarely allow us to drink "pop")?  HAHA.

 

I prefer light salt and massive spice, so the latter definitely goes with a nice Buffalo horsey sauce, sriracha, Marie Sharp's etc.

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Sprya Gyra is the real contribution from Buffalo for us old timers!

tons of bad pizza everywhere, i am just saying when people say"damn, i miss Buffalo pizza" i think damn, you miss awfulness😜

Gamalon had a moment (or series of moments) too.

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

While I’ve had terrible pizza in New York City I’ve had great pizza… same with Detroit and most places 

 

but I’ve also had Great pizza in Buffalo… Like, Technically speaking Buffalo is the pizza capital of America…. There are more pizzerias here per capita than anywhere else in America

 

Buffaloes a lot more than Lenova or bocce club… There are a lot of really good small mom and pop pizzerias

 

You can get Neopolitan and brick oven in Buffalo… you can get specialties … You can get thick crust medium crust thin crust

 

The variety in the buffalo pizza game is big

I'm still such a fan of Bocce's, but...

 

Having grown up in NT, Pizza Junction was a family go-to.  I guess that it's long gone and that some of the folks started Good Guys or something like that?

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

 

Yeah, Bar-Bill.  Heard a ton about it then meh.

 

Maybe it's a different Koch's?  https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/302/4942/

 

I was introduced to 'weck when I was 7 or 8, so that was long before getting something "suitable" to wash it down.  Maybe that colored my impression, trying to wash it down with a water (my parents would rarely allow us to drink "pop")?  HAHA.

 

I prefer light salt and massive spice, so the latter definitely goes with a nice Buffalo horsey sauce, sriracha, Marie Sharp's etc.

Gamalon had a moment (or series of moments) too.

I'm still such a fan of Bocce's, but...

 

Having grown up in NT, Pizza Junction was a family go-to.  I guess that it's long gone and that some of the folks started Good Guys or something like that?

Definitely heard of pizza junction but I’m not up in NT often so I don’t know what became of it or it’s recipes 

[Jrb1979]

Darien Lake is one to the worst parks in ehr US. 

 

Beers like Bud, Genny, Blue and Molson I'd overrated. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

49 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

 

Maybe it's a different Koch's?  https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/302/4942/

 

Genesee bought Koch's out in 1990s.

53 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

 

Yeah, Bar-Bill.  Heard a ton about it then meh.

 

Maybe it's a different Koch's?  https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/302/4942/

 

I was introduced to 'weck when I was 7 or 8, so that was long before getting something "suitable" to wash it down.  Maybe that colored my impression, trying to wash it down with a water (my parents would rarely allow us to drink "pop")?  HAHA.

 

I prefer light salt and massive spice, so the latter definitely goes with a nice Buffalo horsey sauce, sriracha, Marie Sharp's etc.

Gamalon had a moment (or series of moments) too.

I'm still such a fan of Bocce's, but...

 

Having grown up in NT, Pizza Junction was a family go-to.  I guess that it's long gone and that some of the folks started Good Guys or something like that?

Say Cheese! On Grand Island is decent...

 

http://www.saycheesepizza.com/menu.html

[TheCockSportif]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Definitely heard of pizza junction but I’m not up in NT often so I don’t know what became of it or it’s recipes 

If memory serves they appeared on a Guy Fieri show on Food Network and went out of business at some point thereafter.  Great pizza, though.  And then I believe that led to this: https://goodguyspizzeria.com/

 

Could be wrong tho.

[Bad Things]

On 6/5/2023 at 8:15 AM, Wacka said:

Helluva Good is from WNY. It's made in Cuba, NY, just NE of Olean and where Cayuga Greek originates.

Aren't they from the Sodus Bay region?

I could've sworn they were from around that part.  (That said, I moved away a long time ago.)

[Big Turk]

Mighty Taco...

 

Not a fan at all...personally think Taco Bell is better.

 

And any of Chipotle's, Moe's, Salsarita's, Burrito Bay destroy it.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Big Turk

[ExiledInIllinois]

51 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Aren't they from the Sodus Bay region?

I could've sworn they were from around that part.  (That said, I moved away a long time ago.)

I thought same here.  Sodus... IIRC now... Has Massachusetts on the container now. 

 

Maybe @Wacka is getting it confused with another brand?

 

Bison and Upstate Cooperative:

 

https://buffalonews.com/business/local/made-in-wny-why-buffalos-expats-cant-find-bison-french-onion-dip-on-shelves/article_37e0f118-2ec5-11ed-a504-4770fd12e718.html

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heluva_Good!

 

"Heluva Good! is an American company specializing in cheeses, chip dips, sour cream and condiments. It has been a subsidiary of dairy company HP Hood LLC since the acquisition of Crowley Foods in 2004. The primary offices for the company are in Lynnfield, Massachusetts.  Heluva Good! products are sold in grocery stores throughout much of the United States and Canada. A Heluva Good! Country Store was located in Wallington, New York, just east of the village of Sodus which first opened in 1980.  All cheese products were packaged at a plant in Sodus, New York.  Both locations closed on June 26, 2015."

 

 

 

 

[Wacka]

Bison is made in West Seneca. My nephew  works on the line.

[Bad Things]

Apart from being made in Buffalo... what makes a pizza a "Buffalo style pizza"?

[Buffalo716]

27 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Apart from being made in Buffalo... what makes a pizza a "Buffalo style pizza"?

As I’ve explained a few times … and Buffalo foodies and cuisine experts would agree 

 

the “house” buffalo pizza would be considered a medium to thicker crust with a sweet style sauce and cup and char pepperoni… with generous amounts of cheese and toppings to the edges 

 

There are slight exceptions like I believe bocces is more traditional and not as sweet sauce … but the other parts (cup and char… medium to thick and generous cheese and toppings to edge ) are consistent 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Buffalo716

[ExiledInIllinois]

10 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Bison is made in West Seneca. My nephew  works on the line.

You're right! Outside Cuba, NY in Arkport, NY... HeluvaGood:

 

"On April 19, 2015, HP Hood confirmed that both the cheese packaging plant in Sodus and the Heluva Good! Country Store in Wallington would be closing on June 26, 2015. Warehouse and delivery operations would continue through the end of July. Heluva Good! cheese products are currently manufactured by Schreiber Foods, Inc. of Green Bay, Wisconsin. Packaging operations would be moved there. Heluva Good! chip dips and condiments will still be manufactured and packaged at a facility in Arkport, New York which is owned and operated by HP Hood.[5] Some New York State consumers have already complained about the change as a result of Heluva Good! cheese products no longer being produced locally, citing corporate greed.[13] According to the Wayne County Economic Development Department, HP Hood stated that market conditions were the primary reason for the closure."

12 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Apart from being made in Buffalo... what makes a pizza a "Buffalo style pizza"?

Cupped pepperoni. 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

As I’ve explained a few times … and Buffalo foodies and cuisine experts would agree 

 

the “house” buffalo pizza would be considered a medium to thicker crust with a sweet style sauce and cup and char pepperoni… with generous amounts of cheese and toppings to the edges 

But some aren't sweet. I hate the sweet. Not a fan of Bocce's

 

Doughy bread I think is the main think. They don't get fancy with it.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

You're right! Outside Cuba, NY in Arkport, NY... HeluvaGood:

 

"On April 19, 2015, HP Hood confirmed that both the cheese packaging plant in Sodus and the Heluva Good! Country Store in Wallington would be closing on June 26, 2015. Warehouse and delivery operations would continue through the end of July. Heluva Good! cheese products are currently manufactured by Schreiber Foods, Inc. of Green Bay, Wisconsin. Packaging operations would be moved there. Heluva Good! chip dips and condiments will still be manufactured and packaged at a facility in Arkport, New York which is owned and operated by HP Hood.[5] Some New York State consumers have already complained about the change as a result of Heluva Good! cheese products no longer being produced locally, citing corporate greed.[13] According to the Wayne County Economic Development Department, HP Hood stated that market conditions were the primary reason for the closure."

Cupped pepperoni. 

But some aren't sweet. I hate the sweet. Not a fan of Bocce's

 

Doughy bread I think is the main think. They don't get fancy with it.

I believe bocces is known for a thick traditional sauce actually , I haven’t been in years

 

But out of the majority 600 mom and pop pizzerias in the city.. The majority are sweet sauces as the house 

 

And then make a traditional sauce for people who don’t like it

 

There’s not a lot of pizzerias in the city that I know of that use a traditional sauce as the house sauce… a few but not majority 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Buffalo716

[ExiledInIllinois]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I believe bocces is known for a thick traditional sauce actually , I haven’t been in years

 

But out of the majority 600 mom and pop pizzerias in the city.. The majority are sweet sauces as the house 

 

And then make a traditional sauce for people who don’t like it

 

There’s not a lot of pizzerias in the city that I know of that use a traditional sauce as the house sauce… a few but not majority 

My Italian MiL adds sugar to her sauce. I am not crazy for it but pretend to love it. Wife taught me how to pull that off! She actually dislikes it more than me... lol...

[BarleyNY]

Not a fan of Chefs! food. Crappy pasta and worse sauce. Inedibly sweet. However I believe that the owners do a lot of community work so props to them for that.

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

As I’ve explained a few times … and Buffalo foodies and cuisine experts would agree 

 

the “house” buffalo pizza would be considered a medium to thicker crust with a sweet style sauce and cup and char pepperoni… with generous amounts of cheese and toppings to the edges 

 

There are slight exceptions like I believe bocces is more traditional and not as sweet sauce … but the other parts (cup and char… medium to thick and generous cheese and toppings to edge ) are consistent 

This is a good explanation. Based on the recipes I've seen, its a lower hydration dough than a sicilian style and the crust has a smaller crumb structure but similar in thickness.  Shallow pans so you dont get the totally deep fried crust effect of a good square pie and like you said theres no real cornicione. Toppings all the way to the edge.  

 

https://www.pmq.com/buffalo-style-pizza/#:~:text=But Buffalo has made another,that Buffalo residents swear by

 

If anyone is missing Buffalo style pizza and wants to make their own, this is a great resource.  Some former Bocce's employees and current Buffalo area pizzaiolos lend their insights.

 

https://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=30764.0

Edited June 6, 2023 by Jauronimo

[The Poojer]

table diving and condiment painting

[Royale with Cheese]

PBR...it's disgusting.  For awhile, it was a hipster drink here in Atlanta.  It seems to be a regular in Buffalo and I don't know why.

There is cheaper better beer.