Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Mat68]

8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Is he? McKenzie posted a 4.42 40. Harty had a 4.48. McKenzie also had better 3 cone and shuttle times.

Maybe they are just different type of guys.  Mckenzie doesn't run away from coverage and angles like Harty does. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Low risk? High upside? Come on. Hoe do you characterize him as either? The Bills signed him to a 2 year, $9.5M contract with $5.25M fully guaranteed. That’s not that low of risk. Considering that it’s about half of what it looks like DHop will end up signing for I think the opportunity cost is significant. 

 

Dunno how high of an upside he’s got either. He’s a 5’6” 170# WR with one decent season (2021) of 570 yards and three other garbage seasons with 223 yards combined. He is an excellent returner so we’ve got that going for us. He may and even have value as the Bills gadget WR, but that’s just speculation as his 4 year career rushing total is 123 yards.

 

Last season 70 players had more receiving yards than Harty had in his one decent year. So it seems like a stretch to think the Bills couldn’t have found that production for a lot less. Or that he will significantly exceed his best year. Or that the cap space couldn’t have been better spent. 

Yea, we are paying him as what, the 55th best receiver? And like half of a guy like MVS? 
 

in replying to someone acting like he was a huge target of beane based on the contract that’s essentially a WR3 deal for 1 year with what amounts to a cheaper second year option… if he tanks it’s essentially very low risk. And it’s a price tag that takes little to out play the price at such a well paid position. 
 

I’m not saying I love the guy or contract but in the grand scheme… it’s much more a scratch off ticket move than paying a huge premium to secure your future confidently 

32 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Is he? McKenzie posted a 4.42 40. Harty had a 4.48. McKenzie also had better 3 cone and shuttle times.

if he’s the same athlete but smarter one may argue he plays faster 

[WyoAZBillfan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The 1st and 2nd round picks haven't proven themselves as starters so far but they aren't rookies like Kincaid.   They were playing in a SB and catching TD passes on the biggest stage when Kincaid was recovering from a back injury and unable to workout during the draft process.   They should be ahead of him in their development.   The Chiefs also just drafted Rashee Rice with the 24th pick in round 2.   So the Chiefs have 3 high draft picks fighting for playing time while the Bills have just 1.    Their high pedigree eggs aren't all in one basket.

 

For veterans the Chiefs have Kelce and the faster version of Gabe Davis in Marquez Valdes-Scantling as options #1 and #3.  Richie James is their healthier-recently version of Deonte Harty coming off a 560 yard season with 80% completion when targeted in 2022.   Justin Watson is their version of Sherfield.    

So they were catching balls, playing in the Super Bowl after doing what previously? Again the world wouldn’t know were they Not given the opportunity. KC probably could’ve figured something out for some kind of big name players, yet they took a chance on potential. Buffalo rolls the dice and gets questioned before a single down is played though. Weird…Let’s gamble, no…wait those are unproven for whatever reason…Here is a 1st round pick who’s flashed but can’t stay on the field…. Too risky…hard pass..

[Doc]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Is he? McKenzie posted a 4.42 40. Harty had a 4.48. McKenzie also had better 3 cone and shuttle times.

Beasley had worse numbers than both. 

[BarleyNY]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

Beasley had worse numbers than both. 

Um. Ok? What does that have to do with the assertion that Harty is faster than McKenzie? Or me posting their 40 times that seem to refute that?

Edited June 12, 2023 by BarleyNY

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

So they were catching balls, playing in the Super Bowl after doing what previously? Again the world wouldn’t know were they Not given the opportunity. KC probably could’ve figured something out for some kind of big name players, yet they took a chance on potential. Buffalo rolls the dice and gets questioned before a single down is played though. Weird…Let’s gamble, no…wait those are unproven for whatever reason…Here is a 1st round pick who’s flashed but can’t stay on the field…. Too risky…hard pass..

 

AGAIN.......the Chiefs have invested more in finding their #2 receiving option.

 

They have 3 recent early picks fighting to hopefully become their #2 option.......or at worst their #3 if one of them can't beat out MVS.

 

The Bills have just 1.   All of their eggs are in the Kincaid basket and he's an actual rookie.  

 

And the Chiefs have been to 5 straight AFC Championship games and 3 SB's and won 2 of them.

 

So yeah even if 3 wasn't more than 1.........only a fool wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt over any other team in the NFL.

 

Where some Bills fans(who obviously don't follow the rest of the NFL closely) have gotten really stupid is with these expectations that Harty and/or Sherfield are going to be studs.     Every team has role players like them on the back half of their WR corps.   You probably never even heard of either of these undrafted players until the Bills signed them.   Occasionally,  but very rarely, does one of these guys go from being super low producer for their first 4-5 years or for their first 3 teams(like Sherfield).  

 

The likelihood remains that Gabe Davis will be the Bills #2 receiver option again this year.    That's rightfully concerning considering how inefficient the Bills were when targeting him last year.    He had one of the worst catch rates in the NFL,  the second most drops of any NFL receiver and Allen's passer rating plummeted when throwing to him and a ton of his INT's were created when throwing to Gabe. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

AGAIN.......the Chiefs have invested more in finding their #2 receiving option.

 

They have 3 recent early picks fighting to hopefully become their #2 option.......or at worst their #3 if one of them can't beat out MVS.

 

The Bills have just 1.   All of their eggs are in the Kincaid basket and he's an actual rookie.  

 

And the Chiefs have been to 5 straight AFC Championship games and 3 SB's and won 2 of them.

 

So yeah even if 3 wasn't more than 1.........only a fool wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt over any other team in the NFL.

 

Where some Bills fans(who obviously don't follow the rest of the NFL closely) have gotten really stupid is with these expectations that Harty and/or Sherfield are going to be studs.     Every team has role players like them on the back half of their WR corps.   You probably never even heard of either of these undrafted players until the Bills signed them.   Occasionally,  but very rarely, does one of these guys go from being super low producer for their first 4-5 years or for their first 3 teams(like Sherfield).  

 

The likelihood remains that Gabe Davis will be the Bills #2 receiver option again this year.    That's rightfully concerning considering how inefficient the Bills were when targeting him last year.    He had one of the worst catch rates in the NFL,  the second most drops of any NFL receiver and Allen's passer rating plummeted when throwing to him and a ton of his INT's were created when throwing to Gabe. 

Right. Dance around the actual point that a team has to take chances in order to get lucky. It’s dribble and hindsight to say well this team has done this or that and the other teams have done nothing. 
You assume a lot also, don’t let that get the way of the constant negativity peppered in with tons of hindsight. I’m not one for digging but I can think of 2 Ints of McKenzie easily. Davis didn’t lose the season for the team.  Again not a snap has been taken yet and they’ve already been beaten in your eyes. 
I’m sure Hopkins would be a great addition, I’d like it. Just not sure it’s going to improve critical situations from a coaching stand point or keep the injury bug away from key positions. 

[Augie]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

Beasley had worse numbers than both. 

 

Yeah, but I’d take him first on my pick up hoops game at the Y. 😋

 

If you haven’t seen, he could have been fun to watch playing college hoops. Highly recruited. 

[Doc]

55 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Um. Ok? What does that have to do with the assertion that Harty is faster than McKenzie? Or me posting their 40 times that seem to refute that?

 

Nothing. 

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

AGAIN.......the Chiefs have invested more in finding their #2 receiving option.

 

They have 3 recent early picks fighting to hopefully become their #2 option.......or at worst their #3 if one of them can't beat out MVS.

 

The Bills have just 1.   All of their eggs are in the Kincaid basket and he's an actual rookie.  

 

And the Chiefs have been to 5 straight AFC Championship games and 3 SB's and won 2 of them.

 

So yeah even if 3 wasn't more than 1.........only a fool wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt over any other team in the NFL.

 

Where some Bills fans(who obviously don't follow the rest of the NFL closely) have gotten really stupid is with these expectations that Harty and/or Sherfield are going to be studs.     Every team has role players like them on the back half of their WR corps.   You probably never even heard of either of these undrafted players until the Bills signed them.   Occasionally,  but very rarely, does one of these guys go from being super low producer for their first 4-5 years or for their first 3 teams(like Sherfield).  

 

The likelihood remains that Gabe Davis will be the Bills #2 receiver option again this year.    That's rightfully concerning considering how inefficient the Bills were when targeting him last year.    He had one of the worst catch rates in the NFL,  the second most drops of any NFL receiver and Allen's passer rating plummeted when throwing to him and a ton of his INT's were created when throwing to Gabe. 

If Kadarius Toney were on the Bills you’d be whining about rolling dice on malcontent misfits and extolling the virtues of the Chiefs for whoever they picked up.

[Virgil]

Here’s a better question.  
 

What contract would DHop sign that would piss you off the Bills didn’t match or beat?

 

For me, if he signs for a one year deal under 10 mil, I’ll be pissed.  

[Dan in Owego]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

AGAIN.......the Chiefs have invested more in finding their #2 receiving option.

 

They have 3 recent early picks fighting to hopefully become their #2 option.......or at worst their #3 if one of them can't beat out MVS.

 

The Bills have just 1.   All of their eggs are in the Kincaid basket and he's an actual rookie.  

 

And the Chiefs have been to 5 straight AFC Championship games and 3 SB's and won 2 of them.

 

So yeah even if 3 wasn't more than 1.........only a fool wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt over any other team in the NFL.

 

Where some Bills fans(who obviously don't follow the rest of the NFL closely) have gotten really stupid is with these expectations that Harty and/or Sherfield are going to be studs.     Every team has role players like them on the back half of their WR corps.   You probably never even heard of either of these undrafted players until the Bills signed them.   Occasionally,  but very rarely, does one of these guys go from being super low producer for their first 4-5 years or for their first 3 teams(like Sherfield).  

 

The likelihood remains that Gabe Davis will be the Bills #2 receiver option again this year.    That's rightfully concerning considering how inefficient the Bills were when targeting him last year.    He had one of the worst catch rates in the NFL,  the second most drops of any NFL receiver and Allen's passer rating plummeted when throwing to him and a ton of his INT's were created when throwing to Gabe. 

Beauty is Badol they only have to be better than lil' dummy, which i fell they will then roll in Kincaid and maybe even mr. short arms i can see a small glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

[Turbo44]

I think the Dbop train has left. I’d take a minimum vet gamble on Kenny Golloday? I know he’s sucked recently but if you get anything close to his Detroit production he’s >Gabe Davis.

[Virgil]

7 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

I think the Dbop train has left. I’d take a minimum vet gamble on Kenny Golloday? I know he’s sucked recently but if you get anything close to his Detroit production he’s >Gabe Davis.

Golloday doesn’t like playing football.  Got paid and stopped caring 

[Richard Noggin]

34 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

Beauty is Badol they only have to be better than lil' dummy, which i fell they will then roll in Kincaid and maybe even mr. short arms i can see a small glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

 

I'd like to push back on this one. The WRs brought in are not competing against a gadget slot/motion guy who never put it all together to become a consistent contributor. That's such a loser bar to clear. They are competing against a MUCH higher standard that AFC competitors have established for receiving target depth charts. The Chiefs and Bengals currently come to mind (although after 2023 it will be interesting to see how the Bengals receiving room "evolves"). You have to stack talent, and that's typically only manageable when you've got impact guys outperforming rookie deals. The Bills don't have much of that right now.

[Aussie Joe]

Bills have moved from third to second SB favourite with my bookmaker 👍

[BananaB]

9 hours ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

So they were catching balls, playing in the Super Bowl after doing what previously? Again the world wouldn’t know were they Not given the opportunity. KC probably could’ve figured something out for some kind of big name players, yet they took a chance on potential. Buffalo rolls the dice and gets questioned before a single down is played though. Weird…Let’s gamble, no…wait those are unproven for whatever reason…Here is a 1st round pick who’s flashed but can’t stay on the field…. Too risky…hard pass..

Beane takes chances every year and they never Pam out, it’s why our oline is as bad as it is. He took a chance last year giving Davis and McKenzie the opportunity they got, ***** didn’t Pam out also. Sorry if no one is excited about 4 year vets who haven’t done anything but show a couple flashes at this point. Team wants to win a superbowl at some point you gotta just got get that guy instead of giving guys chances. 

[Matt_In_NH]

The Patriots need WR help and have bookoo dollars to spend so if Hopkins wants money that actually makes sense. Just have to get past the Bill Obrien thing but money can heal wounds.

[JGMcD2]

57 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Beane takes chances every year and they never Pam out, it’s why our oline is as bad as it is. He took a chance last year giving Davis and McKenzie the opportunity they got, ***** didn’t Pam out also. Sorry if no one is excited about 4 year vets who haven’t done anything but show a couple flashes at this point. Team wants to win a superbowl at some point you gotta just got get that guy instead of giving guys chances. 

Who is Pam and what is her influence on the Buffalo Bills? 

[BritBill]

30 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Who is Pam and what is her influence on the Buffalo Bills?