Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yes, it would be. The language being used in this thread is abhorrent. Two wrongs don't make a right. Women should never be referred to as the words being used by others. I'd also like to add that just because she was extremely promiscuous throughout the night doesn't mean she still couldn't have been raped later in the night. Acting promiscuous early in the night doesn't mean whatever happened later in the night was something she wanted. She was covered in bruises and marks and had a kit done that showed abuse. Acting promiscuous doesn't mean that anything that happens to her is fair game. Holy crap. Are you seriously comparing a player DYING on the football field to a player being released for, at the very least, being a massive distraction and essentially lying on their resume by withholding information Pre-Draft? Absolutely ridiculous. You can legally say No given the circumstances happened in CA. Read more. Exceptions can be made if the NFL cares enough about injustice. Edited May 9, 2023 by IronMaidenBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, NUT said: Why not? Women with bodycounts in the dozens before they hit 25 are not sluts? They certainly are not gf or wife material. Let's be real here. If a guy has a large body count we will congratulate him, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: We’re all over the place in this thread. It feels like we're on the original thread - the 'victim' being called dispicable names, questions of Araiza's innocence, should the Bills have kept him, questions of the legal system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 If word came out that Josh Allen nailed 25 women before getting drafted, you would be cheering him on. Get your crap together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: Let's be real here. If a guy has a large body count we will congratulate him, no? I won't do it on here but list the kind of names a guy gets for sleeping around, and then the kind of names a woman gets for doing the same. It really is stark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 According to the accusers attorney, this thread is much to do about nothing. He claims that the witness who said Araiza wasn’t present at the party at the time of the alleged rape is a "buddy" of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Also, lawyer comments. And this is coming from a grandson of a very successful lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: According to the accusers attorney, this thread is much to do about nothing. He claims that the witness who said Araiza wasn’t present at the party at the time of the alleged rape is a "buddy" of his. I will be sure to let the DA know about this, maybe they will change their minds lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, NUT said: Why not? Women with bodycounts in the dozens before they hit 25 are not sluts? They certainly are not gf or wife material. Because it's offensive, demeaning, derogatory language. Simple as that. You want to say she lied because it can be factually proven? Fine. You want to say her behavior on the videos collected by the prosecution was promiscuous? Fine. But calling women "sluts" and "whores" is unnecessarily vile verbage that makes you look hateful and at the very least, disrespectful towards women. No need for that garbage. If you were raised right, I'd dare you to throw those words around freely around your mother. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, NUT said: Why not? Women with bodycounts in the dozens before they hit 25 are not sluts? They certainly are not gf or wife material. What about men with a body count in the dozens before they hit 25? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: According to the accusers attorney, this thread is much to do about nothing. He claims that the witness who said Araiza wasn’t present at the party at the time of the alleged rape is a "buddy" of his. Of course he is. His case has been blown to smithereens by witnesses and video. All he can do now it malign the witnesses and claim that Araiza not being in any of the numerous videos from that night (while other she named, and those she didn't, are) is just pure luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: What about men with a body count in the dozens before they hit 25? They're also not wife or girlfriend material. 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: I’m so used to having potential all pro players be on this team since the passing of greats like Gronk and Orakpo. We haven’t been able to do the right thing since like forever. So missing out on Breece Hall and Araiza is just par for the course. Yeah, we are still searching for a franchise QB. Just can't do the right thing there. But since you're a huge man of principal and the Bills are being unjust to Araiza....you won't support the Bills until they make things right. Because that would mean you are a man of principal. 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: What about men with a body count in the dozens before they hit 25? I mean you know the mindset you're talking to right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: They're also not wife or girlfriend material. And no one would believe they were raped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, NUT said: Why not? Women with bodycounts in the dozens before they hit 25 are not sluts? They certainly are not gf or wife material. Think about it from a practical standpoint. The anti-Araiza people have staked out that position because they got snookered into this "believe women" business. If we want to persuade those folks over to our side -- and I do -- we need to show them that you can support women while also supporting due process rights, including and especially the presumption of innocence. People from all across the political spectrum, ranging from Ted Kennedy to Ronald Reagan, would have agreed that those two values belong together and should not be placed in conflict. The problem with posts like yours is that woke anti-Araiza types desperately want to believe that they're the good guys in this story. They just learned that they railroaded an innocent person, so they're feeling some cognitive dissonance and looking for a way to regain their lost sense of moral superiority. Your post is the equivalent of tossing them a lifeline. It helps them believe that people like you and me are just misogynists. It makes it more difficult to win them over. We're clearly winning this argument -- don't fumble at the goal line. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: They're also not wife or girlfriend material. Jauranimo with the dunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: They're also not wife or girlfriend material. I dunno..... I think my partner had a body count in the dozens by 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: I dunno..... I think my partner had a body count in the dozens by 25. He may be husband or boyfriend material but definitely not wife material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, Jauronimo said: He may be husband or boyfriend material but definitely not wife material. Trust me, he is a wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Think about it from a practical standpoint. The anti-Araiza people have staked out that position because they got snookered into this "believe women" business. If we want to persuade those folks over to our side -- and I do -- we need to show them that you can support women while also supporting due process rights, including and especially the presumption of innocence. People from all across the political spectrum, ranging from Ted Kennedy to Ronald Reagan, would have agreed that those two values belong together and should not be placed in conflict. The problem with posts like yours is that woke anti-Araiza types desperately want to believe that they're the good guys in this story. They just learned that they railroaded an innocent person, so they're feeling some cognitive dissonance and looking for a way to regain their lost sense of moral superiority. Your post is the equivalent of tossing them a lifeline. It helps them believe that people like you and me are just misogynists. It makes it more difficult to win them over. We're clearly winning this argument -- don't fumble at the goal line. I just can't take testimony seriously from anyone who has a videogame avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, birdo67 said: I just can't take testimony seriously from anyone who has a videogame avatar. Not even if it's a really good game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Think about it from a practical standpoint. The anti-Araiza people have staked out that position because they got snookered into this "believe women" business. If we want to persuade those folks over to our side -- and I do -- we need to show them that you can support women while also supporting due process rights, including and especially the presumption of innocence. People from all across the political spectrum, ranging from Ted Kennedy to Ronald Reagan, would have agreed that those two values belong together and should not be placed in conflict. Don't love the second half of your post, but this is absolutely spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Einstein said: According to the accusers attorney, this thread is much to do about nothing. He claims that the witness who said Araiza wasn’t present at the party at the time of the alleged rape is a "buddy" of his. This is another thing I was going to talk about. Everything being discussed in this thread was from the District Attorney's office regarding not pressing criminal charges. The civil case has not gone away. The plaintiff's attorney is claiming that Araiza being cleared is from a friend providing an untrue alibi. That may be bs from a money chasing attorney. But until there is definitive proof in the form of video or geolocation exonerating him, those fears that it may be true will still exist amongst teams. The civil case still exists. Until it is dropped or he is found innocent, a team isn't going to touch him. Just as the court of public opinion found him guilty, all that's happening right now is the court of public opinion finding him innocent. A team isn't going to risk signing him and then he's found guilty or liable in the civil case. From a legal standpoint, not much has changed right now. And that's a massive factor in him being unemployed. Edited May 9, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: This is another thing I was going to talk about. Everything being discussed in this thread was from the District Attorney's office regarding not pressing criminal charges. The civil case has not gone away. The plaintiff's attorney is claiming that Araiza being cleared is from a friend providing an untrue alibi. That may be bs from a money chasing attorney. But until there is definitive proof in the form of video or geolocation exonerating him, those fears that it may be true will still exist amongst teams. The civil case still exists. Until it is dropped or he is found innocent, a team isn't going to touch him. Just as the court of public opinion found him guilty, all that's happening right now is the court of public opinion finding him innocent. A team isn't going to risk signing him and then he's found guilty or liable in the civil case. A civil case should not be legitimate grounds to end a guy's career. The burden is lower for a very good reason. You are not found guilty in a civil case. You are found liable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 hours ago, NUT said: America used to be the land of second chances, but no longer. He will still be thought of as a rapist by a large portion of the populace. Facts don't matter anymore, only the narrative. I think he’ll be thought of as the nfl punter that was falsely accused of rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: Trust me, he is a wife. Can't you just go with the flow of my lame joke? Someone right now is drafting an epic rant about gender identification and the downfall of western society and its all your fault. 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: A civil case should not be legitimate grounds to end a guy's career. The burden is lower for a very good reason. You are not found guilty in a civil case. You are found liable. I highly doubt a civil case will deter any team from signing Araiza at this point given the outcome of the criminal investigation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Can't you just go with the flow of my lame joke? Someone right now is drafting an epic rant about gender identification and the downfall of western society and its all your fault. I love being accused of bringing down western society. I live for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 hours ago, NUT said: America used to be the land of second chances, but no longer. He will still be thought of as a rapist by a large portion of the populace. Facts don't matter anymore, only the narrative. Kobe Bryant, Ray Lewis, and Ben Roethlisberger beg to differ. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: Doesn't matter. Much like DeShaun Watson's Civil Cases, a team isn't going to sign a guy until they either get the cases dropped (or at the least, paid off) or they are found not liable. His career will continue when he is found innocent/not liable. But until that happens, teams are going to wait before signing him. Err... the Browns traded for Watson BEFORE the civil cases settled. The trigger was the grand jury refusing to indict. Now he is a franchise QB. Araiza is a punter. So the same doesn't necessarily hold. But Watson was traded for within a week of the grandy jury decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: A civil case should not be legitimate grounds to end a guy's career. The burden is lower for a very good reason. You are not found guilty in a civil case. You are found liable. OJ smiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 With Schefter reporting it now, it feels inevitable that he will be signed by a team eventually. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, birdo67 said: OJ smiles. I am sure he does. But the reality is a civil trial is NOT a substitute for a criminal prosecution. To believe it is would be to misunderstand the law. Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't. If that were the case, why wasn't he signed after the outcome of the criminal investigation or st any point this offseason? They determined they weren't going to press charges months ago. Why was DeShaun Watson still suspended and untouchable until after he settled his lawsuits when he was cleared of criminal charges in March? If Araiza loses the civil case, it will bring it all back up again and he'll appear guilty in a rape case. A team isn't going to want that and will wait until they're sure he's completely exonerated and all of this is behind him. He wasn't. Grand Jury chooses not to indict 11 March Traded 18 March Civil cases settled August 2 minutes ago, NUT said: They are not great husband or father material? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, NUT said: That was before social credit score system, I mean social media. Read up on Roethlisberger at the least before defending him. Kobe, also not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't. If that were the case, why wasn't he signed after the outcome of the criminal investigation or st any point this offseason? They determined they weren't going to press charges months ago. Why was DeShaun Watson still suspended and untouchable until after he settled his lawsuits when he was cleared of criminal charges in March? If Araiza loses the civil case, it will bring it all back up again and he'll appear guilty in a rape case. A team isn't going to want that and will wait until they're sure he's completely exonerated and all of this is behind him. Watson was traded immediately after criminal charges were dropped and the civil lawsuits remained open. https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-expected-to-be-traded-to-browns Quote Trade discussions for Watson quickly materialized after a Harris County (Texas) grand jury on March 11 determined there was not enough evidence to charge Watson with a crime following allegations of sexual misconduct stemming from massage therapy sessions. Watson also faces 22 civil lawsuits. The 26-year-old remains under NFL investigation and is subject to potential discipline under the league's personal-conduct policy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, NUT said: That was before social credit score system, I mean social media. You made a "clever" reference to what the Communist system would do to them, even though they earned tens of millions of dollars after their unfounded accusations. My apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Someone will sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nedboy7 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 59 minutes ago, NUT said: Why not? Women with bodycounts in the dozens before they hit 25 are not sluts? They certainly are not gf or wife material. that’s your slut cutoff? Why even have this dumb of a conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1) The Bills should not have drafted him based on the drawn out justice system (which is a good justice system) 2) He'll latch on somewhere 3) He's not Jim Kelly or Josh Allen 4) Plenty of you are living and thinking in the 50s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: There really aren't that many poorly aged tweets in that sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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