Matt Araiza

[Royale with Cheese]

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Beane and the Pegula’s needs to do the right thing and either cut Martin and sign Araiza or keep both on the roster and pay both of them. It’s their fault for caving to a crappy irrational fan base. They need to own up to that and make things right. 

If we don’t make things right, then this team deserves the curse it will receive. 

So in order to make things right, we need to take on a dead cap hit to cut a punter and then sign a punter to add even more to the cap?

 

The Chiefs are definitely cursed.  They haven’t won anything since Britt Reid handicapped a child due to drunk driving.  That proves curses are real and the Chiefs deserve it.

[4th&long]

I say the bills should re sign him this year. It was obvious she was lying!

[Neo]

The Bills and Araiza are well known to us.  This happens too often in the victim manufacturing, virtue signaling, kabuki dance we call social justice.   Title IX and due process.  Universities and legislators created a kangaroo court system to provide outcomes legitimate courts weren’t so that the statistics of sexual assault theorists could be “correct”.   “Believe all women” is a slogan so absurd that it should be challenged at every utterance.  It isn’t.   Mothers, don’t let your sons grow up to be … college students.  Fear no words.  Speak plainly.  My sympathy is reserved for the dozens of Matt Araizas who didn’t have proof of innocence.   Imagine that, proof of innocence.

 

Preemptively, in light of the medium:  No, I am not saying believe no women.  No, I am not saying believe all men.  No, I am not saying my sympathy for the falsely accused exceeds my sympathy for the actually assaulted.  No, I am not saying … anything I didn’t say.   May Matt and the young lady, also troubled, find peace.

[StHustle]

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Beane and the Pegula’s needs to do the right thing and either cut Martin and sign Araiza or keep both on the roster and pay both of them. It’s their fault for caving to a crappy irrational fan base. They need to own up to that and make things right. 

If we don’t make things right, then this team deserves the curse it will receive. 

I wish you people will stop with this crap. We have a top notch punter signed for multiple years. There are 31 other teams. You’re acting like if the Bills don’t sign him he won’t play in the NFL. He will certainly be signed before camp.

2 minutes ago, Neo said:

The Bills and Araiza are well known to us.  This happens too often in the victim manufacturing, virtue signaling, kabuki dance we call social justice.   Title IX and due process.  Universities and legislators created a kangaroo court system to provide outcomes legitimate courts weren’t so that the statistics of sexual assault theorists could be “correct”.   “Believe all women” is a slogan so absurd that it should be challenged at every utterance.  It isn’t.   Mothers, don’t let your sons grow up to be … college students.  Fear no words.  Speak plainly.  My sympathy is reserved for the dozens of Matt Araizas who didn’t have proof of innocence.   Imagine that, proof of innocence.

 

Preemptively, in light of the medium:  No, I am not saying believe no women.  No, I am not saying believe all men.  No, I am not saying my sympathy for the falsely accused exceeds my sympathy for the actually assaulted.  No, I am not saying … anything I didn’t say.   May Matt and the young lady, also troubled, find peace.

It’s should never be “Believe all woman” it should simply be to take all accusations seriously but at then end of the day, you need proof like any other crime. Simply telling a teary eyed story of what happened shouldn’t be enough for the type of public outcry received. Totally pathetic of our society. I keep hearing all the terrible things said about this innocent young man who was doing nothing but being your typical college star athlete. Shame on millions of people!

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is what I’d do. I’m a huge man of principle. If I owned the Bills, I’d be on the phone right now talking with Araiza. I would tell him that there would be a roster spot for you if he wanted it. I’d swallow the financial costs because it was my mistake to cut him rather than stick by him until proven guilty. That’s the only way to make this whole. 

Quit being all talk then.  If you’re this against the Bills for not bringing back Araiza, then stop supporting them.  Do not watch a single game anymore if you’re this huge man of principle.

 

Because if you continue to complain about Buffalo doing the wrong thing, then you supporting the Bills makes you a huge hypocrite and makes you look weak.
 

“The Bills are doing an injustice on Araiza!!!  But I’ll continue to post on this message and watch every Bills game.”

Edited May 9, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Could he Sue the bills/nfl for wrongfully cutting him? 

Technically you can sue for anything it’s proving it in court and it’s clear this kid’s reputation was destroyed by this so I can see him doing it 

[SCBills]

25 minutes ago, teef said:

You’ve never touched a breast…have you?

The poster you’re referring to has a bit of a point.  
 

How old are you?  Are you in the current dating/hook-up culture scene?

 

It’s a different world out there. 
 

Women certainly have their fair share of issues they have to deal with from men, but nowadays men also need to keep their head on a swivel.  

[boyst]

The Pegulas need to do the right thing and name the new stadium after him. 

[BillsFanSD]

I hope everybody who rushed to judgement is feeling happy about themselves right now.

[4merper4mer]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He's got proof he wasn't there at the time of the alleged gang rape.  Many cases don't have that.

A Tweet says he has proof he was elsewhere.  There have been lots of things said on Twitter by both sides, lots of conjecture and lots of fact twisting by both sides.  There has also been a lot biased and misleading statements by “journalists” like Tim Graham who don’t understand the meaning of “direct quote” or who do understand it and purposely misuse it.

 

You’ll pardon me if I’d prefer more than a tweet as “proof”.

 

Edit:  I see now that there is more than just the Tweet and that the article offers more and seemingly objective information.  I would still disagree with your statement of fact that he has proof he wasn’t there.  He may very well have that proof but the article does not offer anything that constitutes objective truth.

 

53 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Technically you can sue for anything it’s proving it in court and it’s clear this kid’s reputation was destroyed by this so I can see him doing it 

It’s clear his reputation was ruined by the Bills?  Shirley.

Edited May 9, 2023 by 4merper4mer

[BillsFanNC]

So grabbing a pitchfork to join the howling mob isn't prudent?

 

Who knew.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I hope everybody who rushed to judgement is feeling happy about themselves right now.

What exactly are people supposed to do? A 17 year girl said she was gang raped. 
 

Blame the system for allowing the names of the accused to be released.

[teef]

28 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The poster you’re referring to has a bit of a point.  
 

How old are you?  Are you in the current dating/hook-up culture scene?

 

It’s a different world out there. 
 

Women certainly have their fair share of issues they have to deal with from men, but nowadays men also need to keep their head on a swivel.  

oh i'm way out of it.  i'm 45 and have been married for a decade.  i'm sure it's  different, it was more just how it came off.  like he was an alien observing women from a far.  that being said, you did always have to be careful.  i remember the rape talk they gave all the guys in college orientation.  at least where i went, they put it all out on the table.  it's not just that women lie...people lie.  i may not have to protect myself in the dating scene, but boy do tread lightly in certain areas of life.  

[galept]

11 hours ago, BobBelcher said:

So we’re basically backed into a corner and expected to cut this guy, a potentially great draft pick, over something that wasn’t even true in the end. Pisses me off actually. 

 

This is me. The entire organization, including the Pegula family, would have taken too much heat to protect him even though I'm pretty sure charges were never filed.

 

I feel robbed as a casual fan, so I can't even begin to imagine how robbed he feels.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, galept said:

 

This is me. The entire organization, including the Pegula family, would have taken too much heat to protect him even though I'm pretty sure charges were never filed.

 

I feel robbed as a casual fan, so I can't even begin to imagine how robbed he feels.

They actually did good by signing him even with the rumors floating around. I believe he got his signing bonus. If this was made public before the draft he wouldn’t have been drafted or signed anywhere.

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What exactly are people supposed to do? A 17 year girl said she was gang raped. 
 

Blame the system for allowing the names of the accused to be released.

The ones who jumped aboard the persecution must:

1) wipe the drool and crusty fermentation from the corners of their lips

2) put away their crayons, including removing them from their nose and ears

3) take a nap before they get cranky

4) get castrated for the benefit of all

5) apologize.

[BillsFanSD]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What exactly are people supposed to do?

Wait for the facts to come out.  It's not that difficult.  

 

There's no rule that says that you have to automatically believe every accusation that comes along.  Suspending judgement until you know the underlying facts is pretty much always the best course of action. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said:

Wait for the facts to come out.  It's not that difficult.  

 

There's no rule that says that you have to automatically believe every accusation that comes along.  Suspending judgement until you know the underlying facts is pretty much always the best course of action. 

It doesn’t work like that. Too many women and men and their families have gone through traumatic experiences. These things take a long time to play out. The Bills couldn’t just ignore the accusations. If there was a way to keep him out of the spotlight for a year then maybe.

 

 

[BillsFanSD]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It doesn’t work like that. Too many women and men and their families have gone through traumatic experiences. These things take a long time to play out. The Bills couldn’t just ignore the accusations. If there was a way to keep him out of the spotlight for a year then maybe.

Actually, you were part of the mob.

 

Congratulations.    

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, BillsFanSD said:

Actually, you were part of the mob.

 

Congratulations.    

I definitely said the Bills had to release him, immediately. 

[Eastport bills]

So poor Matt’s life is destroyed by San Diego prosecutors, who waited just long enough to exonerate him, effectively killing his NFL career aspirations. If it’s true that he wasn’t present at the time of the accusation, where is the outcry to resurrect this kids reputation from the NFL or the Bills. Does San Diego State get off without criticism for doing some half assed investigation and then hanging this kid out to dry. How about the accuser? She just gets to falsely perpetuate this shitstorm and walk away? Just imagine what this kid and his family has gone through for a year. Sickening.

[BillsFanSD]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I definitely said the Bills had to release him, immediately. 

Are you still unable to see how Araiza might avoid charges?  Because a bunch of us were way ahead of you on that back in August.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, BillsFanSD said:

Are you still unable to see how Araiza might avoid charges?  Because a bunch of us were way ahead of you on that back in August.

 

My opinion was wrong. Public opinion is often wrong. That’s why it should be illegal to release accused names before charges are filed.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Quit being all talk then.  If you’re this against the Bills for not bringing back Araiza, then stop supporting them.  Do not watch a single game anymore if you’re this huge man of principle.

 

Because if you continue to complain about Buffalo doing the wrong thing, then you supporting the Bills makes you a huge hypocrite and makes you look weak.
 

“The Bills are doing an injustice on Araiza!!!  But I’ll continue to post on this message and watch every Bills game.”

Amen

13 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

Wait for the facts to come out.  It's not that difficult.  

 

There's no rule that says that you have to automatically believe every accusation that comes along.  Suspending judgement until you know the underlying facts is pretty much always the best course of action. 

Social media has changed the world.  The court of public opinion has never been so loud and defining as it is now.  Until something is somehow done to change the mindset on this, it will only get worse. 
 

 

[BillsFanNC]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What exactly are people supposed to do? A 17 year girl said she was gang raped. 
 

Blame the system for allowing the names of the accused to be released.

 

1. Assume with a very high degree of certainty that you, Joe Public, can't possibly know what's even close to the entire story.

 

2. Following logically from #1 don't rush to judgment in either direction.

 

Simple.

Edited May 9, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[StHustle]

11 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Does San Diego State get off without criticism for doing some half assed investigation and then hanging this kid out to dry.

Im lost what did San Diego State do?

[BillsFanSD]

Just now, NewEra said:

Amen

Social media has changed the world.  The court of public opinion has never been so loud and defining as it is now.  Until something is somehow done to change the mindset on this, it will only get worse. 

I agree.  But "the court of public opinion" is made up of individual people, and it's not unreasonable to ask those people to just stop being villains.  On a very small level, that goes for guys like Buffalo_Stampede, who (charitably) get caught up in the crowd and ignored the little voice that says to maybe wait until you hear both sides of the story.  I will grant, though, that it's probably asking too much to expect randos from the internet to be calm and reasonable.

 

But what's the excuse for people like Tim Graham?  Or, for that matter, Aaron Quinn?  We should hold journalists and wannabe journalists to higher standards than internet randos.  Getting a call like this wrong should carry reputational consequences.

[4merper4mer]

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

All this franchise does is preach family and unity. You cut bait with someone who hasn’t even had a court case? Why would any player buy into this weak mantra company that won’t even see you get your day in court? 

Araiza had to clear his name.  You can call that unjust and scream and cry about it all you want but it is an absolute fact.  The release of this article does not complete his process of clearing his name.  In it, the woman’s lawyer gives the impression he still has work to do.  It doesn’t matter whether that situation is right or wrong….it is real.

 

Let’s get in our alternative universe machine and imagine the Bills kept Araiza.  Would that have made things easier or harder on him clearing his name?  We’re a year out and the process is still incomplete.  If he had put in a football player’s season worth of work, there would have been unimaginable chaos surrounding both him and the team.  The kid is 22.  It would have been 1000x more difficult on him.  On what planet is something like that improving his life or the situation? 
 

The Bills 100% did the right thing for Araiza…..they acted like adults and made the right decision for him based on objective reality….even if that reality was ugly and perhaps unfair.
 

If you want to call the Bills a family then Beane is like a parent.  Sometimes parents have to do things they don’t enjoy and the kids get mad about, but that they know is the right thing to do.  In this case there are two types of kids.  The players and the fans.  I’d guess that most players understand exactly the scrutiny Araiza and the team would have gone through had he stayed.  The fans that take your simplistic view of the situation are like kids that are now 45 but are still mad at mom for not buying those Lucky Charms when they were four years old. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

1. Assume with a very high degree of certainty that you, Joe Public, can't possibly know what's even close to the entire story.

 

2. Following from #1 don't rush to judgment in either direction.

 

Simple.

I don’t there is much worse to be accused of. Affects so many people. Very traumatic. It’s a lot easier said then done.

 

 

 

[StHustle]

11 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

Are you still unable to see how Araiza might avoid charges?  Because a bunch of us were way ahead of you on that back in August.

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

My opinion was wrong. Public opinion is often wrong. That’s why it should be illegal to release accused names before charges are filed.

 

 

Unfortunately Buffalo Stampede was in the majority. My record on where I stood was very clear. The fact that the story didn’t add up was enough for me to be willing to stand in that man’s corner until prof he did it came out.

 

claiming your friends were at a party the whole time you got raped then simply dropped you off at home after didn’t make any sense at all. So many other glaring holes as well and yet the masses wanted to crucify the kid. Didn’t make any sense to me.

 

I probably have 20 posts in that thread defending Araiza.

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I agree.  But "the court of public opinion" is made up of individual people, and it's not unreasonable to ask those people to just stop being villains.  On a very small level, that goes for guys like Buffalo_Stampede, who (charitably) get caught up in the crowd and ignored the little voice that says to maybe wait until you hear both sides of the story.  I will grant, though, that it's probably asking too much to expect randos from the internet to be calm and reasonable.

 

But what's the excuse for people like Tim Graham?  Or, for that matter, Aaron Quinn?  We should hold journalists and wannabe journalists to higher standards than internet randos.  Getting a call like this wrong should carry reputational consequences.

This.  
 

Will any of the WGR hosts, Buffalo journalists, national journos and imo.. ESPECIALLY the Bills podcast hosts and content creators be as loud in their apology as they were their premature condemnation?

 

Ive seen it from one, tepid, but at least they owned up.  Pat McAfee retweeted the Greg Price post of the Yahoo article, so it will be interesting to see if he addresses it today.  
 

Will our podcast peeps address it on their streams this week?  Take a special moment to apologize, when they took multiple moments to join the mob for clout?

 

I don’t expect much from groups like Bills Mafia Babes… they’re far too entrenched in their position .. it wouldn’t even shock me if that consider him justifiable collateral damage.  Maybe they prove me wrong. 
 

But it was these accounts, the podcasters, these content creators that organized the online mafia mob.   They silenced all of us who cautioned patience and could have tempered the rage … they stoked it … for clout. 
 

We can’t control a national narrative, but our local influencers can be above it.  Clearly, they’ve shown, they’re not. 
 

Edited May 9, 2023 by SCBills

[SoCal Deek]

I'll make it very simple:  As a society, we've abandoned the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty. And that's on everyone. But it doesn't have to remain that way. 

[Eastport bills]

Just now, BillsFanSD said:

I agree.  But "the court of public opinion" is made up of individual people, and it's not unreasonable to ask those people to just stop being villains.  On a very small level, that goes for guys like Buffalo_Stampede, who (charitably) get caught up in the crowd and ignored the little voice that says to maybe wait until you hear both sides of the story.  I will grant, though, that it's probably asking too much to expect randos from the internet to be calm and reasonable.

 

But what's the excuse for people like Tim Graham?  Or, for that matter, Aaron Quinn?  We should hold journalists and wannabe journalists to higher standards than internet randos.  Getting a call like this wrong should carry reputational consequences.

Well said, the print and mainstream media have been rendered a politicized, negative influence on objectivity in a society that used to trust people that report the news.

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Bills did nothing wrong. I respect that Beane didn't jump on the bandwagon, I could tell that he found it difficult to let Araiza go after the Bills had run their own investigation and found nothing incriminating. But there was a black cloud hanging over the team after the allegation came out and it just isn't worth holding on to a punter with that kind of baggage. I just hope he gets his NFL career back.

Same. I was always in the camp of "I hope it isn't true" Some of the report was scary but it did seem a bit off.

 

Bills had no choice. They werent going to take the backlash over a punter when the team had SB aspirations 

[4merper4mer]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

 

 

But what's the excuse for people like Tim Graham?  Or, for that matter, Aaron Quinn?  We should hold journalists and wannabe journalists to higher standards than internet randos.  Getting a call like this wrong should carry reputational consequences.

You misunderstand.  Tim Graham is our superior in every way.  This has been established so accept it.  Sometimes when he makes a mistake we just have to move on.  Other times we have to alter objective reality to bend to his will.  
 

Because of his superior morality and intellect, the third option of pointing out his mistakes or having him acknowledge them does not exist.  Can you imagine the ramifications of that?  If we knew he was capable of being wrong, who would we turn to for guidance when the next crisis he helped manufacture came along?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I agree.  But "the court of public opinion" is made up of individual people, and it's not unreasonable to ask those people to just stop being villains.  On a very small level, that goes for guys like Buffalo_Stampede, who (charitably) get caught up in the crowd and ignored the little voice that says to maybe wait until you hear both sides of the story.  I will grant, though, that it's probably asking too much to expect randos from the internet to be calm and reasonable.

 

But what's the excuse for people like Tim Graham?  Or, for that matter, Aaron Quinn?  We should hold journalists and wannabe journalists to higher standards than internet randos.  Getting a call like this wrong should carry reputational consequences.

I don’t think I was screaming to lock him

up, I don’t remember. I did call for his release because he’s a public figure and I personally don’t want to root for a player accused of rape. It’s literally no different than the Watson cases.

 

We should never know who the accused is until charged. I did say that back then as well.  I also said the only thing that could save him is if he wasn’t there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Same. I was always in the camp of "I hope it isn't true" Some of the report was scary but it did seem a bit off.

 

Bills had no choice. They werent going to take the backlash over a punter when the team had SB aspirations 

So you're saying that a team without SB aspirations would've made a different choice? (kidding)

[PromoTheRobot]

11 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

Astonishing how many people here concluded he was guilty without knowing anything, maybe reserve judgement next time.

 

Nah. That's no fun.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I agree.  But "the court of public opinion" is made up of individual people, and it's not unreasonable to ask those people to just stop being villains.  On a very small level, that goes for guys like Buffalo_Stampede, who (charitably) get caught up in the crowd and ignored the little voice that says to maybe wait until you hear both sides of the story.  I will grant, though, that it's probably asking too much to expect randos from the internet to be calm and reasonable.

 

But what's the excuse for people like Tim Graham?  Or, for that matter, Aaron Quinn?  We should hold journalists and wannabe journalists to higher standards than internet randos.  Getting a call like this wrong should carry reputational consequences.

Which is the biggest problem.  It will never stop. Ever.  Billions of people.  Thousands  of journalists and wannabe’s.  
 

Regarding this case, I didn’t pay attention to what the journalists were saying.  If you think they (journalists and wannabe’s) should suffer reputational consequences, then you should get the ball rolling. 
 

I couldn’t care less tbh.  I’ve (sadly)  accepted that this is now the world that we know live and things will likely only get worse in many aspects of life that are heavily influenced by social media.  I’m not a world changer. I’m a my life protector.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

How many people here think Dashaun Watson is guilty?