Matt_In_NH Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year. Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys. So not one guy under contract for 2024. I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is. They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out. Thoughts? 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Jones extension is coming Settle & Oliver probably will be gone next year. Looking at a revamped DT position soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Some rumors about Poona Ford, he is a 3 tech like Oliver. It is not a very impressive group left in free agency. They likely draft a guy as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp566 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Wish big Phil had some better luck last year. Too bad it ended that way for him here. 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 What's the plan? Replace Oliver next year, just like they are doing with Edmunds this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 You’re likely going to see a DT somewhere in this draft 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Some rumors about Poona Ford, he is a 3 tech like Oliver. It is not a very impressive group left in free agency. They likely draft a guy as well. Agree on drafting at least one DT this year. I really like Ioannidis as a player but he is really more of an odd front DE. He’d be perfect if we were looking to widen the DTs, but I don’t see that happening. I wouldn't mind seeing Ford or Robinson added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 J-Phillips should be back, I'd think. He didn't have the best year but gutted it out through a few injuries. I'd like to see him and Shaq back. 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 The plan is to draft defensive front 7 early and often in predictable and depressing fashion. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Airseven said: The plan is to draft defensive front 7 early and often in predictable and depressing fashion. Oliver will be in his last year Defensive tackles in free agency this year are making a killing We will probably extend our other DT but he’s getting older What exactly would you suggest that we do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Oliver will be in his last year Defensive tackles in free agency this year are making a killing We will probably extend our other DT but he’s getting older What exactly would you suggest that we do? try not to fail so badly at finding people to man that position so we're not looking for them every damned year 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: try not to fail so badly at finding people to man that position so we're not looking for them every damned year That’s not a plan for what we’ve got going forward Here we sit Complaining about the past won’t do anything to help us right now If people just wanna B word for the sake of bitching hey it’s a free message board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 They will draft one. I would not presume it will be an early pick. The trolls are out painting the most dire scenarios. I predict two of the first three rounds are devoted to offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Oliver will be in his last year Defensive tackles in free agency this year are making a killing We will probably extend our other DT but he’s getting older What exactly would you suggest that we do? Not really worry about defense since it doesn't particularly matter anymore, as you saw in the SB when two great defenses were both shredded. The most important thing in the draft, bar none, is getting Allen more protection on the offensive line. If he starts getting time, we start scoring 35+ points/game. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: That’s not a plan for what we’ve got going forward Here we sit Complaining about the past won’t do anything to help us right now If people just wanna B word for the sake of bitching hey it’s a free message board In fairness, my plan (replacement of the front office) wasn't accepted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: In fairness, my plan (replacement of the front office) wasn't accepted. Nor should it have been 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: Nor should it have been OK, so we're good with total failure to address holes. Got it. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Not really worry about defense since it doesn't particularly matter anymore, as you saw in the SB when two great defenses were both shredded. The most important thing in the draft, bar none, is getting Allen more protection on the offensive line. If he starts getting time, we start scoring 35+ points/game. I hope for more offense as well We need to be careful not to overdraft guys because of it Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: OK, so we're good with total failure to address holes. Got it. 13-3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) One of the more perplexing positional units on this team. No one under contract past this year. Still one player short for our rotation, unless the plan is to roll with a PS guy as DT4. -The obvious extension candidate, and only consistently good DT.. Daquan Jones.. not extended yet. -10M cap hit for an undersized, inconsistent, yet talented DT on his 5th year option. -One year left for a guy who took a pay cut to stay and played out of position much of last year in Tim Settle. Not gonna lie... I hate so much about how they've gone about this unit thus far. Daquan Jones is very good. I have no idea if Tim Settle is effective because the Bills constantly find themselves playing DT's out of position (Settle now, Jefferson a few years ago). I want nothing to do with Ed Oliver at 10M now, or in the future. Just trade Ed and sign/draft some big bodies. Can't wait to see Ed get swallowed up by bigger Offensive Lineman as they easily work their way to the second level and maul Bernard and Taron Johnson (or a rookie MLB). Edited March 22, 2023 by SCBills 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I hope for more offense as well We need to be careful not to overdraft guys because of it 13-3 And another second-round embarrassment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And another second-round embarrassment We are back to our same circular argument that we have been in before Your team has a chance to win it every year for the last how many years? And they will have another chance this year That’s all you can ask Firing the management that gave you all those chances is not a successful plan 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You’re likely going to see a DT somewhere in this draft Calijah Kancey DT from Pitt. @ 27....Compared to Aaron Donald and John Randle. Then if they can't grab one of the top Lbs in the draft, they trade a 2024 2nd or 3rd for Patrick Queen from the Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, nosejob said: Calijah Kancey DT from Pitt. @ 27....Compared to Aaron Donald and John Randle. I've heard that story before 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I've heard that story before So we absolutely should stop drafting those players because it didn’t work out one time Still not a fan of taking one in the first round give me a nasty blocker instead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I think they'll draft a guy. Take a wait and see approach on Jones and Settle. If they have good seasons, likely try to re-sign them. Draft a guy to replace Oliver next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Don't know what the rules are on moving a player on a 5th yr. option, but a draft day trade sending Oliver to his hometown Houston and grabbing a couple of high picks between the 3rd and 5th rds. wouldn't surprise me....especially if they can land Kancey. I would prefer to have them both though( for 2023). Pairing Oliver and Phillips and Kancey with Jones would be my ideal rotation. Not impressed with Settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And another second-round embarrassment Not to mention that at 13-3 they shouldn’t be a liability but they are. Between the OL and the DL I don’t know what’s more of an embarrassment. Spending an absolute ton of money and resources in the DL for them to be as terrible as they are, or spending almost no money or resources on the OL and expecting something out of it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said: The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year. Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys. So not one guy under contract for 2024. I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is. They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out. Thoughts? We can’t get rid of Oliver fast enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 That's why I always kind of laugh about the BPA-based-on-need thing. An argument can be made needs are: LB (Mike) DT (contracts expiring) Edge (Von Injury, AJ's last year) Safety (older guys, Hyde coming off injury) WR (added a bunch here, but could add more) TE (only two on the roster and no true #2) OL (Depth and people to challenge starters) So non-needs: QB Corner (though an argument can be made here with Tre not looking amazing) RB (though an argument can be made, Harris 1 year deal) BPA-based-on-need....every team pretty much has needs everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, nosejob said: Calijah Kancey DT from Pitt. @ 27....Compared to Aaron Donald and John Randle. Then if they can't grab one of the top Lbs in the draft, they trade a 2024 2nd or 3rd for Patrick Queen from the Ravens. 20 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I've heard that story before This———-^ Please god, do not draft this guy. Undersized just like Oliver. Compared to Donald. Lol. He should just be compared to Oliver. He looks on tape more like a DE than a DT and that’s probably where he ends up. If not it’s a shame. People just need to realize that Donald is a freak and another like him likely won’t be seen in a very very long time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, mrags said: This———-^ Please god, do not draft this guy. Undersized just like Oliver. Compared to Donald. Lol. He should just be compared to Oliver. He looks on tape more like a DE than a DT and that’s probably where he ends up. If not it’s a shame. People just need to realize that Donald is a freak and another like him likely won’t be seen in a very very long time. Did you just mention position versatility? BTW Poona Ford is shorter and has made it this far. Also every stat including physical is said to be identical to Donald. The guy has a list of awards a mile long. I'd take a John Randle all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Plan: Draft DT with first pick in draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I want a giant, mountain of a DT 330 lbs is ok, but 340+ is ideal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: What's the plan? Replace Oliver next year, just like they are doing with Edmunds this year. Cool so we will have one DT, sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I was thinking, high motor undersize DL in teh draft. wait, make that two of them then whomever is the 6th worst CB or S in the draft class in the 3rd then draft whomever else, beane and mcd will be too busy basking in the afterglow to worry about the rest 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, nosejob said: Did you just mention position versatility? BTW Poona Ford is shorter and has made it this far. Also every stat including physical is said to be identical to Donald. The guy has a list of awards a mile long. I'd take a John Randle all day long. I’d take Poona Ford all day long. The height doesn’t worry me. It’s the girth (that’s what she said). He’s shorter than Kancey but has 40lbs on him. That’s hilarious actually for a DT. And it’s not like Ford is a monster at DT. He’s jag. no to Kancey please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Cool so we will have one DT, sounds good. I’m not sure how you get that from my post. This year we have one Oliver and next year we don’t. What’s confusing about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I want a giant, mountain of a DT 330 lbs is ok, but 340+ is ideal. Mazi Smith.😉 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year. Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys. So not one guy under contract for 2024. I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is. They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out. Thoughts? I’d be shocked if we don’t draft a DT. Space eaters can be had late. I would hope that we can extend daquan asap- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not sure how you get that from my post. This year we have one Oliver and next year we don’t. What’s confusing about that? Did you read the OP? Same is true for Jones and Settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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