All GM's Make Mistakes

[Billznut]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

Based on the grades our line got this season, I can't see rookies doing any worse.

I’d agree but McD just doesn’t trust rookies at other positions as we’ve seen. Is he really going to trust 1-2 rookies protecting his QB?  One missed block could end our season. I think McD really will be hesitant to do it. And pretty much no chance they put two rookies on the line. One at most. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

It would easier to point out Beane's good moves than it would be to point out his multitude of mistakes. He's a joke. 

Like Beane has any say in the defensive selections.  Spare me. Defensively McDermott might as well be the GM.

[Billznut]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Like Beane has any say in the defensive selections.  Spare me. Defensively McDermott might as well be the GM.

This I believe is 100% accurate. This is the reason we overwhelmingly pick defense in the first two rounds every year and it could also be the reason a lot of these high picks haven’t worked out as planned because McD is ignoring the scouts and Beane’s recommendations and instead is telling them which defensive player HE wants. 

Edited January 29, 2023 by Billznut

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, Billznut said:

I’d agree but McD just doesn’t trust rookies at other positions as we’ve seen. Is he really going to trust 1-2 rookies protecting his QB?  One missed block could end our season. I think McD really will be hesitant to do it. And pretty much no chance they put two rookies on the line. One at most. 

He trusted Saffold!!! (who had one of the worst grades I've seen for a starting lineman in years).  Whether the player out there is a rookie or not SHOULD be irrelevant. It's about putting your best 11 guys on the field, and when we're talking about protecting the face of our franchise, if a rookie is doing a better job than a vet, I'm doing it without hesitation.  If McD doesn't commit to putting the best players on the field, his chances of ever winning a championship dwindle with every passing season.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Billz4ever

[aristocrat]

12 minutes ago, Billznut said:

He played Benford because White wasn’t playing. And they put in Benford a 6th rounder over 1st rounder Elam. They had no one else to play. He choose Peterman to start that season over Allen. And then decided to put Allen in because it was Peterman. You’re actually helping me prove my point. 

So he played them? You said he didn’t play rookies. They played and kept playing.  Tremaine played, tre played, Dawkins played, spencer played

[Billznut]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

He trusted Saffold!!! (who had one of the worst grades I've seen in years).  Whether the player out there is a rookie or not SHOULD be irrelevant. It's about putting your best 11 guys on the field, and when we're talking about protecting the face of our franchise, if a rookie is doing a better job than a vet, I'm doing it without hesitation.  If McD doesn't commit to putting the best players on the field, his chances of ever winning a championship dwindle with every passing season.

He also trusted Peterman over rookie Allen. And THE only reason for that was Allen was a rookie and he wanted him to sit and learn. That’s just McD’s preference for rookies. As it is for a lot of head coaches in every sport. Coaches don’t like to have their livelihood on the line depending on rookies.  That’s just how a lot of coaches are built. We will see if McD adjusts a bit with that.  

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

So he played them? You said he didn’t play rookies. They played and kept playing.  Tremaine played, tre played, Dawkins played, spencer played

Go back and reread the original post. I said he “barely” plays rookies. He barely does. I can see you just like to argue. Don’t quote me with false statements. Find someone else to entertain you today please. 

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Billznut said:

He also trusted Peterman over rookie Allen. And THE only reason for that was Allen was a rookie and he wanted him to sit and learn. That’s just McD’s preference for rookies. As it is for a lot of head coaches in every sport. Coaches don’t like to have their livelihood on the line depending on rookies.  That’s just how a lot of coaches are built. We will see if McD adjusts a bit with that.  

He's going to have to adjust, or Josh is going to have a short career.  I don't see the O-line as something we fix in free agency this season either.  We need to start growing our own talent via the draft and get guys on rookie contracts.  Throwing $6M at Saffold was easily the worst move of last off-season IMO.

[balln]

38 minutes ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

Speaking of mistakes, thank Christ the Bills held onto draft picks that Beane can waste instead of acquiring CMC. 

yup - youre telling me we couldnt part w a basham (2) and bernard (3). Maybe his contract would have been the problem. but you figure out a cut/ restructure

 

interesting looking at 2018 now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NFL_Draft

 

we traded two 2s for edmunds?

 

fred warner was 3rd 70 pick overall.....

 

fred warner is 5 to 10 x the player edmunds is

Edited January 29, 2023 by balln

[aristocrat]

8 minutes ago, Billznut said:

He also trusted Peterman over rookie Allen. And THE only reason for that was Allen was a rookie and he wanted him to sit and learn. That’s just McD’s preference for rookies. As it is for a lot of head coaches in every sport. Coaches don’t like to have their livelihood on the line depending on rookies.  That’s just how a lot of coaches are built. We will see if McD adjusts a bit with that.  

Go back and reread the original post. I said he “barely” plays rookies. He barely does. I can see you just like to argue. Don’t quote me with false statements. Find someone else to entertain you today please. 

so if our rookie draft picks are good he will play them? Do I have that correct?

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, balln said:

yup - youre telling me we couldnt part w a basham (2) and bernard (3). Maybe his contract would have been the problem. but you figure out a cut/ restructure

Carolina got a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in this year's draft and a 5th in next year's draft for him.  And considering he'd have most likely been a rental for this season, that's a lot of draft capital for a rental.   

 

The Bills only have 6 total picks as it is this year.  CMC on our roster or not, I didn't see him as being the difference maker given our line.  Dorsey's playcalling wouldn't have played to CMC's strengths anyway.  We never throw to our backs and even after we got Hines, there was no real attempt to do so.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by Billz4ever

[balln]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Carolina got a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in this year's draft and a 5th in next year's draft for him.  And considering he'd have most likely been a rental for this season, that's a lot of draft capital for a rental.   

 

The Bills only have 6 total picks as it is this year.  CMC on our roster or not, I didn't see him as being the difference maker given our line.  Dorsey's playcalling wouldn't have played to CMC's strengths anyway.  We never throw to our backs and even after we got Hines, there was no real attempt to do so.

 

 

i think you dont trade for him if youre not resiging him. the point is the aggression of gm to get impact players. beane aint drafting them anymore

 

ill take a cmc  / for a basham, bernard, (wait we trade these 4 and 5s a lot to move up draft day) , ok vosean joseph and jake fromm were 5ths.... (not in league anymore)

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, balln said:

i think you dont trade for him if youre not resiging him. the point is the aggression of gm to get impact players. beane aint drafting them anymore

 

ill take a cmc  / for a basham, bernard, (wait we trade these 4 and 5s a lot to move up draft day) , ok vosean joseph and jake fromm were 5ths.... (not in league anymore)

Say we did the same deal as SF did and we got him and re-signed him somehow this off season even with our cap problems.  Where are you getting a legit WR2 and an offensive line revamp to protect Josh and for CMC to run behind?  You've definitely now got no cap space and you've got which basically amounts to 1 draft pick this year because unless you catch lightning in a bottle, you're more than likely not addressing the O-line and WR2 with a 5th and 6th round pick.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Billz4ever

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Say we did the same deal as SF did and we got him and re-signed him somehow even with our cap problems.  Where are you getting a legit WR2 and an offensive line revamp to protect Josh and for CMC to run behind?  You've definitely got no cap space and you've got which basically amounts to 1 draft pick this year because unless you catch lightning in a bottle, you're more than likely not addressing the O-line and WR2 with a 5th and 6th round pick.

This is a moot point since we don't run the ball unless Josh decides to pull it down and run it.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, The Wiz said:

This is a moot point since we don't run the ball unless Josh decides to pull it down and run it.

 

Motor and Cook combined for over 1300 yards, so that's an exaggeration, but it does make my point for me.  If we don't run, why would we bother signing CMC in the first place, especially given what it would cost in terms of draft capital and cap #'s?

[balln]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Say we did the same deal as SF did and we got him and re-signed him somehow this off season even with our cap problems.  Where are you getting a legit WR2 and an offensive line revamp to protect Josh and for CMC to run behind?  You've definitely now got no cap space and you've got which basically amounts to 1 draft pick this year because unless you catch lightning in a bottle, you're more than likely not addressing the O-line and WR2 with a 5th and 6th round pick.

i trade / cut (im no capologist) this is just spit balling 

 

tre white

morse

hines

all the specail teams vets

 

and fill in. if i have time ill see if thats possible

 

need to hit on the draft. 

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, balln said:

i trade / cut (im no capologist) this is just spit balling 

 

tre white

morse

hines

all the specail teams vets

 

and fill in. if i have time ill see if thats possible

 

need to hit on the draft. 

What are we getting in return for those guys?  And even if you cut them, you're still dealing with dead cap.

 

Tre White coming of a torn ACL tear who clearly didn't look the same this year (hopefully he can rebound next year).  That's a huge gamble for any team to take on his contract.

 

A decent but aging and concussion-prone Center.

 

If we traded for CMC doubt the Hines trade ever happens, so he's not here for you to do anything with. 

 

And special teams guys aren't getting paid a ton in the first place.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Mango]

A huge part of the issues heading into 2023 isn’t a single draft pick or hefty contract. It’s the sum of a number of iffy draft picks and contracts. 
 

So right, all GM’s make mistakes, but Beane has put us in a bit of a hole. He’ll have a chance to fix it. But I’m not sure how many chances he should and will get to do so. 

[balln]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm

 

look at the 2019 draft. my god

 

need a tariq woolen 5th rd pick

fred warner 3rd pick

chris jones 2nd pick

countless starting RBs in 4,5,6 (pacheco )

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

Top 2 defense you mean that gave up 30 1st downs in a divisional round and could barely win against a 3rd string QB in wildcard round?

 

You think the offensive line grade that they give the bills is because the offensive line is good or because Allen makes them not look as bad as they really are?

no i meant top 2 Offense in scoring.  Yeah a great QB makes up for bad O line.  Look at Burrow.  

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Ship his ass out!

that’s not going to happen.   
 

Every September there will be countless threads saying how lucky the Bills are having Beane/McD.  Every January will call for their heads.

 

that’s not a sign of greatness…

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Billznut said:

Believe me I’d love to see the Bills pick a couple offense lineman in the first four picks this draft. But even if they do, are they actually going to let two rookie offensive lineman be out there protecting their franchise QB?  History says otherwise. We shall see. 

Well, the “seasoned vets” aren’t doing our franchise QB any favors…, so why not play the guys you draft, isn’t that why you draft them in the first place…

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

no i meant top 2 Offense in scoring.  Yeah a great QB makes up for bad O line.  Look at Burrow.  

 

That's kind of the point.  No one on defense masks the deficiencies that were there when Miller went out for the defensive line.  Allen has been masking them for 3 years now and they refuse to help him.  It doesn't matter where they rank in scoring because pretty much everyone watching the game knows that it's all on Allen and Diggs.

Edited January 29, 2023 by The Wiz

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

In 2020, the Eagles desperately needed WR help.  First round pick was Jalen Reagor.  Very next pick was Justin Jefferson.  Reagor is no longer with the Eagles.  Jefferson is one of the best two or three WR in the league.  Maybe the best.  Yet, Eagles are in NFC Championship a couple of years later.  

 

Beane's been far from perfect and we all know the list   trading Wyatt Teller, picking Ford over Metcalf and A.J. Brown, Basham instead of Humphrey, Bernard instead of Parham, hell even Oliver instead of Simmons.  Some of that is hindsight, some of it is not.  

 

Point is, none of those "mistakes" are fatal.  This is, however, an enormously consequential off-season for Beane and the team.  He needs to make rebuild of the offensive line number one priority (same as KC did after Super Bowl loss to Tampa Bay), establish a legitimate running game that doesn't depend on Allen, somehow introduce flexibility into a defense that has grown way too stale and hope we can avoid serious injuries.  

 

Not saying it will happen but there is certainly hope that he can fix what is obviously broken.

 

 

People didn't want to hear it at the time but Beane was not a proven personnel man when the Bills hired him...........he was an "executive" GM.........which is what the rudderless Pegula-run Bills needed at the time.

 

His first 10 months or so on the job were actually horrific personnel-wise..........all while he was being fluffed by Bills fans as some kind of savior because he was willing to get rid of players that other people selected.

 

Then he selected Josh Allen.

 

That has bought him another 5 years of mostly bad UFA decisions and decent overall drafts but with flawed drafting strategy in rounds 2-3.

 

Now it's time for him to take those years of experience and raise his game...........like Howie Roseman did post-Chip Kelly.

 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Motor and Cook combined for over 1300 yards, so that's an exaggeration, but it does make my point for me.  If we don't run, why would we bother signing CMC in the first place, especially given what it would cost in terms of draft capital and cap #'s?

Half the league have a 1,000 yard+ rb and we have two that get 1300.

 

Color me not impressed with the running game.  Not specifically the running game, but the fact that it's not used is more of the point I was making.

 

CMC would have been a waste of a position, draft capital and cap space in an offense that doesn't use RBs enough.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Like Beane has any say in the defensive selections.  Spare me. Defensively McDermott might as well be the GM.

Well, you see, he’s the general manager. If he has so little control then the entire operation needs to go. They’ve drafted zero impact defenders as a tandem. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Half the league have a 1,000 yard+ rb and we have two that get 1300.

 

Color me not impressed with the running game.  Not specifically the running game, but the fact that it's not used is more of the point I was making.

 

CMC would have been a waste of a position, draft capital and cap space in an offense that doesn't use RBs enough.

I absolutely agree with you there that what it would've cost us to bring CMC here would be a waste given how we use our backs.  If there's one thing we do less than run the ball with our backs, it's throw to them, and that's the other thing CMC does very well.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

That's kind of the point.  No one on defense masks the deficiencies that were there when Miller went out for the defensive line.  Allen has been masking them for 3 years now and they refuse to help him.  It doesn't matter where they rank in scoring because pretty much everyone watching the game knows that it's all on Allen and Diggs.

and Mahomes and Kelce…

 

Bills won a bunch of games without Miller.  Came within 13 Seconds of AFCC last year when he was on the Rams

[The Wiz]

46 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

and Mahomes and Kelce…

 

Bills won a bunch of games without Miller.  Came within 13 Seconds of AFCC last year when he was on the Rams

Tell me the bills offensive line is anywhere  as good as KCs and I'll show you a liar.

[mannc]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

what else matters at this point?  Feel good stories? 

Apparently winning the AFC East gives Beane a lifetime pass.

[Billsflyer12]

6 hours ago, aristocrat said:

One great draft can turn this team around. 

Except McDermmit won’t play them their rookie year, so minimum 2 years till they could help even if he killed it this draft.

[Mr. WEO]

20 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Tell me the bills offensive line is anywhere  as good as KCs and I'll show you a liar.

 How they doing tonight?

[The Wiz]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 How they doing tonight?

better than the bills line did against the Bengals.

[BuffaloRebound]

Well Beane, KC didn’t need to suck to draft Chris Jones in the 2nd round.  Find some difference makers.  

[Buffalo Super Fan]

The problem is that the Buffalo Bills GM’s have had mistakes since 1966 in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Mr. WEO]

16 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

better than the bills line did against the Bengals.

Nope

40 minutes ago, mannc said:

Apparently winning the AFC East gives Beane a lifetime pass.

lucky to have him

 

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

no i meant top 2 Offense in scoring.  Yeah a great QB makes up for bad O line.  Look at Burrow.  

that’s not going to happen.   
 

Every September there will be countless threads saying how lucky the Bills are having Beane/McD.  Every January will call for their heads.

 

that’s not a sign of greatness…

Cincinnati lost

Ship everyone’s ass out players coaches, the general manager to

 

We only like winners

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Nope

 

Well then I can't help you other than recommending visiting an optometrist or psychologist if you think that the Bengals O-line isn't better than the Bills. 

 

Also remember, they were missing 3 starting lineman in this game and last game against the Bills.

Edited January 30, 2023 by The Wiz

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Well then I can't help you other than recommending visiting an optometrist or psychologist if you think that the Bengals O-line isn't better than the Bills. 

 

Also remember, they were missing 3 starting lineman in this game and last game against the Bills.

I was talking about the Chiefs o line.  The Bengals o line backups aren’t better than the Bill o line. 

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Cincinnati lost

Ship everyone’s ass out players coaches, the general manager to

 

We only like winners

this is a weird  straw man crusade you keep repeating.  It lacks any intellectual foundation. It’s absent of thought.  

[Governor]

6 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Beane is a competent GM. His positives of moving up to draft Josh and trading for Diggs is the reason we are winning division titles. The problem is the roster is not improving year by year . The same can be said for the coaching staff. I still believe he can get it done but now with limited cap space, the pressure is ramped up to improve this team. These GMs can go from geniuses to the hot seat in a hurry.

This is the year he puts the team in salary cap hell like the Saints, since he won’t be there to deal with the mess. 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Governor

[DocLawless]

Fair, but now compare the salary caps of both teams. Brandon Beane has exhausted our cap on whiffs. Maybe not fair to pin von millers injury on him, but if he drafted capably, somebody could’ve stepped up in Miller’s absence. As someone who was in love with the McDermott and beane culture build and strategy, beane has failed big time to give Allen enough weapons and build a championship defense. The money and draft picks towards defense didn’t nearly pan out. The offensive line built to protect their franchise qb is a joke. He should take most of the blame. Maybe player development is lacking as well, I don’t know for sure. Either way, I’m continually disappointed in the lack of accountability at one bills drive these days 

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Half the league have a 1,000 yard+ rb and we have two that get 1300.

 

Color me not impressed with the running game.  Not specifically the running game, but the fact that it's not used is more of the point I was making.

 

CMC would have been a waste of a position, draft capital and cap space in an offense that doesn't use RBs enough.

You curtail your offense to your personnel if you're a good OC. Look at what Daboll did in NY with Barkley.