PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said: 51-22 record over the last 4 years. 5 playoff appearances in 6 years. 3 AFC East titles. He's a bum. By the way, nice touch with the dark mode, large font. Looks more ominous. Edited January 23, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 McDermott should not be untouchable in terms of getting fired. He has a freaking unicorn at QB and refused to build around him. He's a defensive minded guy who put ALL the investment on defense. Look what happened. Burrow and Mahomes had help. Their team helping their QB and not focused on high draft picks on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Plenty--because Josh will continue to mask many coaching deficiencies in the near and long term in number of team wins and losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It's easy to cherry pick some tough losses over the years and ignore the fact we are a top tier team in the playoffs each season. Some really dumb takes on why he will be here next year. I think he definitely has earned another shot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I have not forgotten about the drought. I am old. I remember when OJ Simpson was used as a decoy. Here's the bottom line: you play to win the SB. The point of reaching the playoffs is to win in them. Making them to lose, often in embarrasing fashion is just an exercise in masochism. We are wasting the early prime years of a HOF level qb. Now Josh has to watch Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, and a rookie last pick in the draft compete for a championship. You establish long-term legacy by what you do in the playoffs. If there's any self-awareness, Terry Pegula makes changes now, not waiting for another year of regular season success and post-season failure. 13 playoff teams "fail" every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: 51-22 record over the last 4 years. 5 playoff appearances in 6 years. 3 AFC East titles. He's a bum. Getting to the superbowl is all that matters. Eagles got rid of Reid and won a superbowl. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Awwufelloff said: Getting to the superbowl is all that matters. Eagles got rid of Reid and won a superbowl. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. That's the answer. Keep cleaning house until you win. Brilliant. The new definition of insanity is using that quote. Edited January 23, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: 13 playoff teams "fail" every year. If you're satisfied with where the franchise is right now, that's your prerogative. I think it's an abolute dereliction if they basically stand pat. They'll have to cut folks to be a player in FA. There is only so much you can accomplish in a single draft. So, I believe coaching philosophy needs to change. They've got a good system for winning the regular season. They flame out in the playoffs unless Josh Allen is literally close to perfect. Not good enough, that's my prerogative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, HomeTeam said: The same questions were said about Andy Reid before he got over the hump. I know everyone is upset but in my opinion that would be a mistake at this moment. He still has a lot of leeway from me but some changes do need to be made. And for all the love for Andy Reid, he's still only won 1 title & that was with Mahomes in 2019. Guess he sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Dr. Who said: If you're satisfied with where the franchise is right now, that's your prerogative. I think it's an abolute dereliction if they basically stand pat. They'll have to cut folks to be a player in FA. There is only so much you can accomplish in a single draft. So, I believe coaching philosophy needs to change. They've got a good system for winning the regular season. They flame out in the playoffs unless Josh Allen is literally close to perfect. Not good enough, that's my prerogative. I'm not satisfied, but I know holding my breath and stomping my feet doesn't work either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: It's easy to cherry pick some tough losses over the years and ignore the fact we are a top tier team in the playoffs each season. Some really dumb takes on why he will be here next year. I think he definitely has earned another shot. This team was thoroughly embarrassed in their own house yesterday. This was not a top tier team in the playoffs. A top tier team is what dominated the Bills in every aspect of the game with 3 starters out on the O-line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: He will get way too many changes in the name of "continunity." Continunity of what, exactly, should be the question. This quote from Allen says it all. They were unprepared and out coached: Josh Allen said. “Our goal is to win a Super Bowl or World Championship and we didn't accomplish that. So everything that happened in the season is kind of null and void in our minds and it sucks. That's the way it goes sometimes. They had a good game plan, credit to those guys, they came out and played hard. We just didn't have it today.” This was after yesterday's game, but could be a quote from any of those horrid McD playoff losses. We ever beat an equal or favored team in the playoffs? Nope. Allen's comments are an honest assessment. There's no trophy for 5th place. And the Bills game plan on both sides of the ball was about as predictable as they come. The Bengals certainly knew it. And most importantly the Bills players knew it too. I wonder if knowing they were destined to be out coached, out prepared, and out game planned left the team with no confidence stepping out onto the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not satisfied, but I know holding my breath and stomping my feet doesn't work either. I'm not either. I can't multitask and so I'd have to stop typing to accomplish all that. I don't see it as childish to want accountability. I already pointed out the constraints of roster change. The most direct path to change is different strategies on O and D. Maybe Dorsey matures and becomes better. No chance Fraser does anything new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: I'm not either. I can't multitask and so I'd have to stop typing to accomplish all that. I don't see it as childish to want accountability. I already pointed out the constraints of roster change. The most direct path to change is different strategies on O and D. Maybe Dorsey matures and becomes better. No chance Fraser does anything new. I'm all for making changes with coordinators and personnel. I'm not for firing the coach and GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Tough call really…glad I don’t have to make it but 4 years now I feel he has to go. He blew it last year and the afc championship game a few years back - he’s gotta be on the hot seat… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: LOL!!!! Any coach??? Dick "Skelator" Jauron? Mike "Meathead" Mularkey? Greggo Williams?? Chan Friggin' Gailey?? Were you in a coma during the drought? Oh woe is us! We have a franchise QB but can't win the big one! Get a grip and suck it up. You're not going to fire your way to a title. How many house cleanings did we endure for 17 years? Here's a little perspective for you. We've been to the playoffs 5 times in 6 seasons. We have 4 10+ win season in a row. Three straight AFC East titles. Do we step on our own d***s in the playoffs? Yes, but you don't blow up a good team out of spite. Make changes but don't get crazy. By the way, the last time we had a 10+ win season before this run was 1999. Yesterday sucked but it was a lot worse for a very vey long time. Allen or McD, make a choice. Without Allen this is a 5-6 win team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not satisfied, but I know holding my breath and stomping my feet doesn't work either. Doing nothing doesn’t work either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: I'm all for making changes with coordinators and personnel. I'm not for firing the coach and GM. No, I'm not arguing for that, though if Josh Allen doesn't start winning playoff games, their tenure will rightly be on a hot seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: This team was thoroughly embarrassed in their own house yesterday. This was not a top tier team in the playoffs. A top tier team is what dominated the Bills in every aspect of the game with 3 starters out on the O-line. the Oline issues were overblown as their backups are quite good. Yes we were dominated. Not gonna defend either coordinator. Our D was missing how many starters? Does that factor in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Not even making it to the AFCCG the last two seasons, with this roster, is a major fail. Absolutely no excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Well as a fan - means nothing - but ready to call it like it is - he is mediocre and just won’t get it done against excellent coaches hes choked numerous times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: LOL!!!! Any coach??? Dick "Skelator" Jauron? Mike "Meathead" Mularkey? Greggo Williams?? Chan Friggin' Gailey?? Were you in a coma during the drought? Oh woe is us! We have a franchise QB but can't win the big one! Get a grip and suck it up. You're not going to fire your way to a title. How many house cleanings did we endure for 17 years? Here's a little perspective for you. We've been to the playoffs 5 times in 6 seasons. We have 4 10+ win season in a row. Three straight AFC East titles. Do we step on our own d***s in the playoffs? Yes, but you don't blow up a good team out of spite. Make changes but don't get crazy. By the way, the last time we had a 10+ win season before this run was 1999. Yesterday sucked but it was a lot worse for a very vey long time. Well, since Jauron went 13-3 without Allen in Chicago, he could clearly lead an Allen team to the playoffs. Mularkey, yeah, he was a great OC with PIT and led the Bills to within 1 game of the playoffs without Allen. Gailey, had Fitz at QB. Nope, I was much around during the drought, and the constant was ZERO high-end ability at QB. Okay, I get it, you like mediocracy. You suffer from droughtitosis, the thought that changing a HC will revert the Bills to the drought era. It won't. What will happen if we keep on this trajectory is never make, much less win, a SB. Your other points are equally ridiculous, btw. Win the AFC East, what other team in the AFC East has a talented roster, yet a good QB? None. Winning regular seasons: we played in the AFC East, again, and have yet to get a 1 seed even. We didn't step on our own di**s. We got our butts handed to us by the Dolphins (who would have beaten us if their starting RB was there, IMO), and then again by the Bengals. We also embarrassingly lost last year, and the year before, and the year before. Sence a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, nedboy7 said: the Oline issues were overblown as their backups are quite good. Yes we were dominated. Not gonna defend either coordinator. Our D was missing how many starters? Does that factor in? What would our O-line look like with 3 backups? That right there is an indication we aren't a top tier team and Cincy is. Von Miller would've made zero difference in that game. They were getting blown off the ball on almost every snap. If your starting D-line can barely get a whiff of the QB for almost the entire game and are getting gashed on the ground at the same time, sorry, but you're not a top tier playoff team. That's not even getting into how terrible the offense looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: What would our O-line look like with 3 backups? That right there is an indication we aren't a top tier team and Cincy is. Von Miller would've made zero difference in that game. They were getting blown off the ball on almost every snap. If your starting D-line can barely get a whiff of the QB for almost the entire game and are getting gashed on the ground at the same time, sorry, but you're not a top tier playoff team. That's not even getting into how terrible the offense looked. At the beginning of the game, the ball was out of Burrow's hand in 2 seconds or under. Then they started running, because they had a guard playing tackle and his strength is run blocking. And for the whole game, the Bengals took maybe 2 deep shots. Everything was quick and short with lots of YAC. That's how you mask poor OL play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: At the beginning of the game, the ball was out of Burrow's hand in 2 seconds or under. Then they started running, because they had a guard playing tackle and his strength is run blocking. And for the whole game, the Bengals took maybe 2 deep shots. Everything was quick and short with lots of YAC. That's how you mask poor OL play. That and the fact their receivers were pretty much running wide open all game too. Edited January 23, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpactCorey Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: this is THE MOST ridiculous take, and I'm just sick of it. First, any coach in the NFL could get this team to the playoffs. Did we have Allen and Diggs during the drought, NOPE. Second, the goal is to win the SB, not just make the postseason and lose in the divisional round or AFC Championship to an equal or superior team. With the talent on this team at QB, you need a head coach and GM that can put a winner around him. McD and even Bean have proven that they cannot do it. Also, as another poster noted, we regressed from last year. There is no improvement, and Bean is putting us into cap issues and has failed to draft adequate impact players on rookie contracts. Total failure all around. To be fair. He did also make the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and Kelvin Benjamin. Edited January 23, 2023 by ImpactCorey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Will McD be one of these HC who refuses to fire a coordinator unless the owner steps in and says “fire him or I fire both of you”, and then all of a sudden he does a 180 in order to save his job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Allen or McD, make a choice. Without Allen this is a 5-6 win team. This is a dumb example. What is Bill Belichick without Tom Brady? But let's turn this around? How many wins with Allen if you're firing coaches every year? Edited January 24, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Too Too many👿 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Awwufelloff said: Doing nothing doesn’t work either As a fan you have no control over what the Bills do. And frankly, letting fans have any say is a terrible idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: As a fan you have no control over what the Bills do. And frankly, letting fans have any say is a terrible idea. Just like letting the QB choose the offensive coordinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: This is a dumb example. What is Bill Belichick without Tom Brady? But let's turn this around? How many wins with Allen if your firing coaches every year? Well I'd say the Bills would win much more with Allen as the QB, then McD without Allen. Seen the same with Brady & Belichek (and Brady is 45). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imichel101 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Everyone says Andy Reid is the best HC in the NFL not named Belichick. He has been a HC for 24 years! Took the Eagles and Chiefs to a combined 8 Championship games, with a ninth coming next week. He has ONE Super Bowl. Sean Payton was the Saints coach for like 14 years and had a first ballot HOF QB, had ONE Super Bowl and several disastrous postseason losses. Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh, Mike Tonkin, All great coaches with great QBs with one or no super bowls. sh*t ain’t easy and nobody, aside from Belichick and Walsh, is out there wracking them up year after year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpactCorey Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Imichel101 said: Everyone says Andy Reid is the best HC in the NFL not named Belichick. He has been a HC for 24 years! Took the Eagles and Chiefs to a combined 8 Championship games, with a ninth coming next week. He has ONE Super Bowl. Sean Payton was the Saints coach for like 14 years and had a first ballot HOF QB, had ONE Super Bowl and several disastrous postseason losses. Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh, Mike Tonkin, All great coaches with great QBs with one or no super bowls. sh*t ain’t easy and nobody, aside from Belichick and Walsh, is out there wracking them up year after year. You can add Marv Levy this this list.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Billz4ever said: What would our O-line look like with 3 backups? That right there is an indication we aren't a top tier team and Cincy is. Von Miller would've made zero difference in that game. They were getting blown off the ball on almost every snap. If your starting D-line can barely get a whiff of the QB for almost the entire game and are getting gashed on the ground at the same time, sorry, but you're not a top tier playoff team. That's not even getting into how terrible the offense looked. Yes I do agree we did not really show up yesterday. Our OL would look great with their backups. Von would not have made a difference? BS. How many players were missing on D? Does it count when it's the Bills? Look at this team's record over the past 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: At the beginning of the game, the ball was out of Burrow's hand in 2 seconds or under. Then they started running, because they had a guard playing tackle and his strength is run blocking. And for the whole game, the Bengals took maybe 2 deep shots. Everything was quick and short with lots of YAC. That's how you mask poor OL play. Of course when playing 8 yards off the line 2 seconds is plenty, but their TE was targeted more then Knox and Chase was uncovered for a TD. The two deep shots were then called PI's too. Edited January 23, 2023 by Billsfan1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Sean McDermott will be here until he decides he doesn’t want to be. Y’all forget this franchise was a walking doormat for 20 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 hours ago, papazoid said: at least another full season for HC the OC & DC will likely both change out ....either promoted or fired Who's dumb enough to promote garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I don’t know the answer to the number, but I do know that after 13 and three season he’s not getting fired Do you know how many teams in the league would kill for a 13 and three season? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: Sean McDermott will be here until he decides he doesn’t want to be. Y’all forget this franchise was a walking doormat for 20 years. Unfortunately you’re correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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