I know they are talking heads, but here comes the Lamar MVP talk again-Hope Sunday changes all that

[Bills2022]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I wasn't being negative on Lamar, though not his biggest fan.

 

I just thought the videos didn't even acknowledge Josh.  

 

I am not a believer in Jackson being an elite QB.  I think he is a 2nd tier QB and always will be.  I think the MVP talk is silly, but I also think he is a solid NFL QB.

[Mr. WEO]

lol, this thread

[White Linen]

22 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s okay to not like a rival. I hated Marino as well. I despise Tom Brady. He has played in 10 Super Bowls. It’s not okay to LIE about how good they are to seemingly make our guy look better. People complaining about other stars getting props is weird/insecure. We need to be better than that. We can argue the merits of Allen without pretending that Lamar/Mahomes aren’t also elite.

I’m not sure where race entered this conversation? PLEASE do not try to randomly bring race in as a way to say that “race has nothing to do with it.” That was an uncomfortable place to take this conversation for no reason at all…

 

If you or your sons can’t appreciate the play of Lamar, Allen, Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes then I feel sorry for you. I didn’t say “LIKE” them. I said “APPRECIATE” their accomplishments. Please refrain from using those words interchangeably.

 

So now anyone that debates which player is better is a liar?  You're really going off the rails with that.  So I'm to tell my son's they must appreciate all QB's and they're liars if they think Josh is the best because you dictate it?

 

And now you can talk about race and dictate who else can?

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

So now anyone that debates which player is better is a liar?  You're really going off the rails with that.  So I'm to tell my son's they must appreciate all QB's and they're liars if they think Josh is the best because you dictate it?

 

And now you can talk about race and dictate who else can?

Dude... lol

 

What's the significance of "white linen"? Just wondering.

[White Linen]

22 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Dude... lol

 

What's the significance of "white linen"? Just wondering.

 

It's what was left in the tomb of Jesus Chrst. There was a specific reason it was left there - so has personal meaning to me. 

[Kirby Jackson]

57 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

So now anyone that debates which player is better is a liar?  You're really going off the rails with that.  So I'm to tell my son's they must appreciate all QB's and they're liars if they think Josh is the best because you dictate it?

 

And now you can talk about race and dictate who else can?

Nope, again, that’s not what was said. You are free to pick whoever you want as the best player. I’d take Allen over any player in the league. What I said, and continue to say, is that I don’t need to pretend Lamar is bad to make Josh look good. You should argue the merits of what Josh does well. It’s not, “Josh, because Lamar sucks.” It is “Josh, because he has an incredible combination of skills.” Downplaying someone to prop up your guy is BEYOND weak. That’s the insecure old ways of Bills fans. The Bills are elite now. We can talk about why the Bills are elite without worrying about anyone else.

 

If you embellish/downplay the accomplishments of any player, that’s lying. If you don’t think that Tom Brady has had the greatest career that a QB has ever had, you’re lying. He holds every single record and has won 7 Super Bowls. There isn’t another option. That doesn’t mean that you have to like him. I hate him. 

 

No one talked about race until you said, “I’m not racist or anything but_____.” My original comments had ZERO to do with race. I’m not sure why you brought it up? I was waiting for, “I’m not racist I have (insert number here) of black friends.” You don’t need to yell “I’m not racist.” We aren’t talking race. We try to avoid that on TBD. We are talking elite QBs. 

17 hours ago, Bills2022 said:

 

I am not a believer in Jackson being an elite QB.  I think he is a 2nd tier QB and always will be.  I think the MVP talk is silly, but I also think he is a solid NFL QB.

He leads the league in TDs and has the highest scoring team in football. He’s the QB of a good team. That’s who wins MVPs. That’s not “silly.” There is a long way to go but what about Lamar isn’t MVP-worthy at this point?

Edited October 2, 2022 by Kirby Jackson

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Nope, again, that’s not what was said. You are free to pick whoever you want as the best player. I’d take Allen over any player in the league. What I said, and continue to say, is that I don’t need to pretend Lamar is bad to make Josh look good. You should argue the merits of what Josh does well. It’s not, “Josh, because Lamar sucks.” It is “Josh, because he has an incredible combination of skills.” Downplaying someone to prop up your guy is BEYOND weak. That’s the insecure old ways of Bills fans. The Bills are elite now. We can talk about why the Bills are elite without worrying about anyone else.

 

If you embellish/downplay the accomplishments of any player, that’s lying. If you don’t think that Tom Brady has had the greatest career that a QB has ever had, you’re lying. He holds every single record and has won 7 Super Bowls. There isn’t another option. That doesn’t mean that you have to like him. I hate him. 

 

No one talked about race until you said, “I’m not racist or anything but_____.” My original comments had ZERO to do with race. I’m not sure why you brought it up? I was waiting for, “I’m not racist I have (insert number here) of black friends.” You don’t need to yell “I’m not racist.” We aren’t talking race. We try to avoid that on TBD. We are talking elite QBs. 

He leads the league in TDs and has the highest scoring team in football. He’s the QB of a good team. That’s who wins MVPs. That’s not “silly.” There is a long way to go but what about Lamar isn’t MVP-worthy at this point?

In fairness, lots of folks on other teams “pretend X is bad to make Y look good.”

[White Linen]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

 

No one talked about race until you said, “I’m not racist or anything but_____.” My original comments had ZERO to do with race. I’m not sure why you brought it up? I was waiting for, “I’m not racist I have (insert number here) of black friends.” You don’t need to yell “I’m not racist.” We aren’t talking race. We try to avoid that on TBD. We are talking elite QBs. 

 

 

Wow!  I never said anything close to this.  

 

 

You're a dangerous person to have a conversation with so I won't engage with you again. 

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, FireChans said:

In fairness, lots of folks on other teams “pretend X is bad to make Y look good.”

That’s fair

 

I’m not suggesting that they don’t. I’m challenging us to be better than that. It was so annoying when the Bills weren’t good. It’s incredibly cringe with a team that is +400 to win the Super Bowl. Act like you’re good enough

5 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Wow!  I never said anything close to this.  

 

 

You're a dangerous person to have a conversation with so I won't engage with you again. 

Lol, go back to the start and see when and where race entered the conversation. You wanted to talk about it -not me.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

lol, this thread

 

It feels like one of those threads that comes back to bite us in the ass. Like the guy last week who started the thread calling out Dolphins fans before last weeks game. Can't we wait till after the game?

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

It feels like one of those threads that comes back to bite us in the ass. Like the guy last week who started the thread calling out Dolphins fans before last weeks game. Can't we wait till after the game?

 

no one can argue that Jackson doesn't belong in the MVP discussion right now. It's a 4 man race; Allen, Jackson, Hurts, Mahomes.

[Mr. WEO]

On 9/30/2022 at 5:00 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

The only MVP talk I want to see is for the SB. 

 

 

Aarons last imo was Platitudes 

 

Certainly last year--Rodgers was the least deserving MVP in years (considering the other candidates).

[AlfaBill]

On 10/1/2022 at 5:40 AM, White Linen said:

 

It's couldn't care less.

Lol. I thought the same thing. Another common error is “we should of…..” instead of should have. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

no one can argue that Jackson doesn't belong in the MVP discussion right now. It's a 4 man race; Allen, Jackson, Hurts, Mahomes.

Agree.

 

I'd like to Lawrence enter the conversation with a strong showing and W over the Eagles today.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Agree.

 

I'd like to Lawrence enter the conversation with a strong showing and W over the Eagles today.

 

 

with a win over Hurts, i agree

[ToGoGo]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Dude... lol

 

What's the significance of "white linen"? Just wondering.

 

What's the significance of the pentagram on the goat head in your avatar? 

[Scott7975]

Im not big on Lamar the QB.  I am big on Lamar the athlete.  I just dont think he is that great of a passer and I dont think that style of play is going to win them a superbowl.  That said, the MVP talk for him is justified at this point of the season.

Edited October 2, 2022 by Scott7975

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

 

What's the significance of the pentagram on the goat head in your avatar? 

It's the dark star of Lotuleilei

[Mr. WEO]

This thread grows more delicious by the minute

[Chicken Boo]

On 9/30/2022 at 4:41 PM, mushypeaches said:

It will change after this stat line 

 

14/29 - 156 - 1TD - 3INT

 

🙃

Edited October 2, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Ralonzo]

Let him keep throwing into groups of 2 Ravens and 5 Bills and see if he keeps getting completions.

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

🙃

 

🙂

[Billsfan1972]

Neither great, but saw all of Lamar's warts.  

 

Lamar is a great quarterback but there are deficiencies

[KDIGGZ]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Neither great, but saw all of Lamar's warts.  

 

Lamar is a great quarterback but there are deficiencies

*Duck* I don't think you are allowed to say that around here!

[Coldfronts]

Lamar is a great QB and a phenomenal athlete but he runs first way too often and is going to get dinged one of these games so, that a no for MVP.

[Ya Digg?]

That WR was WIDE OPEN on that 4th down ply and Lamar missed him. There was no pressure on him, he just flat out missed the wide open guy. Josh wouldn’t have missed that guy being that open. That’s a huge difference between the 2 

[KDIGGZ]

3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

That WR was WIDE OPEN on that 4th down ply and Lamar missed him. There was no pressure on him, he just flat out missed the wide open guy. Josh wouldn’t have missed that guy being that open. That’s a huge difference between the 2 

Because it was a straight drop back. Lamar is a gimmick player, he only does well on play action and roll outs. Same with Tua. Those are the same types of plays they run in high school. Good for them when they work and they can get the LB to bite on the play action and then hit the TE. Bad when everyone knows you aren't running it so doesn't work out so well for him at the end of games 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

That WR was WIDE OPEN on that 4th down ply and Lamar missed him. There was no pressure on him, he just flat out missed the wide open guy. Josh wouldn’t have missed that guy being that open. That’s a huge difference between the 2 

 

Are you talking about the Poyer pick? I mean the pass was on mark just late and Poyer made a great play.. And remember Lamar was backing up like 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage by that point due to the pressure. It's not like he was just sitting back there scanning the field. 

 

Not sure if you are being sarcastic though since Allen did in fact miss a wide open receiver just last week on 4th down with no pressure.

 

And another the week before to Kumerow. 

[TheCockSportif]

8 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

That WR was WIDE OPEN on that 4th down ply and Lamar missed him. There was no pressure on him, he just flat out missed the wide open guy. Josh wouldn’t have missed that guy being that open. That’s a huge difference between the 2 

Josh missed guys in the first half.  But since we're splitting hairs, do I pick JA17 over Lamar?  Yep, by a wide margin.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Lamar is certainly not a rhythm passer like Allen is. That is a flaw in his game. He gets a lot of easy completions because he extends plays and puts a lot of pressure on defenses with his legs so receivers are running wide open. Makes for some easy throws. 

[Ya Digg?]

Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Are you talking about the Poyer pick? I mean the pass was on mark just late and Poyer made a great play.. And remember Lamar was backing up like 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage by that point due to the pressure. It's not like he was just sitting back there scanning the field. 

 

Not sure if you are being sarcastic though since Allen did in fact miss a wide open receiver just last week on 4th down with no pressure.

 

And another the week before to Kumerow. 

Yes on the Poyer pick, no not being sarcastic at all-there eventually was pressure but the def line wasn’t trying to put pressure on him, they were just trying to clog the lane so he couldn’t run. Lamar drifted back on his own, there was no need for him to do that. He should’ve seen that guy a lot sooner, since that’s where Andrews was too. 
josh might have missed McKenzie last week, but it’s not because he missed he was open-he just had nothing left and made a poor throw. Josh’s mistake was physical, Lamar’s was mental 

[ChrisWatson#21]

Can't wait to see when Max Kellerman says he would rather have Lamar again tomorrow because Josh Allen "flopped for a penalty" or some stupid take like such😂

[BruceVilanch]

10 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

That WR was WIDE OPEN on that 4th down ply and Lamar missed him. There was no pressure on him, he just flat out missed the wide open guy. Josh wouldn’t have missed that guy being that open. That’s a huge difference between the 2 

Josh bounced one last week, everyone has misses. 

[Ya Digg?]

1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said:

Josh bounced one last week, everyone has misses. 

 

3 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

Josh missed guys in the first half.  But since we're splitting hairs, do I pick JA17 over Lamar?  Yep, by a wide margin.

Josh’s were physical mistakes, Lamar’s was a mental mistake-huge difference 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Ya Digg? said:

Yes on the Poyer pick, no not being sarcastic at all-there eventually was pressure but the def line wasn’t trying to put pressure on him, they were just trying to clog the lane so he couldn’t run. Lamar drifted back on his own, there was no need for him to do that. He should’ve seen that guy a lot sooner, since that’s where Andrews was too. 
josh might have missed McKenzie last week, but it’s not because he missed he was open-he just had nothing left and made a poor throw. Josh’s mistake was physical, Lamar’s was mental 

 

Eventually he did have pressure and we don't know if the guy was open initially when there was no pressure. But i 100% agree that Lamar is not a rhythm passer. Allen can both be a rhythm passer and play off script like Lamar. Allen can literally do everything that has been shown to be possible for an NFL QB. The only one in the league with that skill set. 

[Billsfan1972]

13 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Lamar is certainly not a rhythm passer like Allen is. That is a flaw in his game. He gets a lot of easy completions because he extends plays and puts a lot of pressure on defenses with his legs so receivers are running wide open. Makes for some easy throws. 

Weather was terrible....  Allen did not have his best game, but made some incredible plays.  The pass to Knox and Diggs were great.  Lamar extended plays and made easy completions.

 

Yes a little biased, but that is what I see.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Weather was terrible....  Allen did not have his best game, but made some incredible plays.  The pass to Knox and Diggs were great.  Lamar extended plays and made easy completions.

 

Yes a little biased, but that is what I see.  

 

You just can't discount his easy completions though. They are easy because defenses have to account for him running and he is extending plays. All of that makes Lamar a great football player. But he's not at the Mahomes and Allen level because those two players can do a lot of what Mahomes does while also being capable of running a rhythm passing game. 

[Mr. WEO]

47 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

That WR was WIDE OPEN on that 4th down ply and Lamar missed him. There was no pressure on him, he just flat out missed the wide open guy. Josh wouldn’t have missed that guy being that open. That’s a huge difference between the 2 

 

He did it only a week ago when he bounced a pass from the 2 yard line to a wide open McKenzie in the end zone on 4th down with 1:49 to go.....

[Bob in STL]

Lamar was great today and has elite talent -  but Allen can run too and has the better arm and I am glad we have him.  

 

The MVP battle wont be solved until the season is over.  

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Neither great, but saw all of Lamar's warts.  

 

Lamar is a great quarterback but there are deficiencies

To quote the great Don Shula regarding David Wooldley. He’s an athlete trying to play QB, Lamar is not at the level of Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers or Brady or even Burrow for that matter. He’s probably the greatest athlete I’ve seen since Vick but as a passer he’s average.