All-22 Grades for Bills/Dolphins (The Athletic)

[Scott7975]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Lol 😂. 

 

Yeah lol its clear as day.  Id take a picture for you but this forum has a pathetically low file size allowed and I dont feel like reducing it

[Scott7975]

Actually nm here is the picture.  This is the reason he moves left.

 

[In Summary]

Love the positive mention of DaQuon.  

[BuffaloBill]

16 hours ago, gobills404 said:

In the full clip it looks more like Dawkins just got smoked

 

 

 

Sadly you’re right - looks like Dawkins is barely a turnstile on that play.  It was ugly.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

Actually nm here is the picture.  This is the reason he moves left.

 

The point is it’s a cover 0 blitz. 8v7. The QB will not have time.

 

Look at the routes. I hate this play vs that pressure. I think the QB needs to see that. 
 

I agree he drifts due to the frontside pressure, but it made Hollands path to the QBs backside very easy.

 

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The point is it’s a cover 0 blitz. 8v7. The QB will not have time.

 

Look at the routes. I hate this play vs that pressure. I think the QB needs to see that. 
 

I agree he drifts due to the frontside pressure, but it made Hollands path to the QBs backside very easy.

 

 

But he would have had time if Dawkins and or Singletary make the block.

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

99% Allen 1 % blocking. Watch his feet. 8v7.  Inside out. It’s football 101.

 

Look at where he starts his drop vs where he finished his drop.

 

 

This is all on blocking Allen did nothing wrong. You expect your line to holdup for longer then 2 seconds. Dawkins mediocrity got exposed badly in this game. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

This is all on blocking Allen did nothing wrong. You expect your line to holdup for longer then 2 seconds. Dawkins mediocrity got exposed badly in this game. 

Not vs that blitz. Dawkins had no chance.

45 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

But he would have had time if Dawkins and or Singletary make the block.

Neither guy had a shot at blocking Holland there. Too much speed and easy path to QB due to Allen’s drop.

[Scott7975]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Not vs that blitz. Dawkins had no chance.

Neither guy had a shot at blocking Holland there. Too much speed and easy path to QB due to Allen’s drop.

 

Im just going to agree to disagree with you bro.  There is no reason to continue to go back and forth on this.  You expect two guys can block the end runner.  They wiffed period

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I just don't know why they Bills accumulate all these OL with "position flexibility" and then don't want to move them around to "maintain continuity" even when one of them is literally murdering your chances of winning by playing the position he's at.

Van Roten needs to be released. He's not an NFL center. Go find some promising kid on a PS.

Edited September 29, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[Maine-iac]

If this is the play I'm thinking of Dawkins certainly did get smoked but (not that it's an excuse) Holland actually laid a legit DE move on him sweeping Dawkins arm and blowing right by him.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Not vs that blitz. Dawkins had no chance.

Neither guy had a shot at blocking Holland there. Too much speed and easy path to QB due to Allen’s drop.

Disagree with this. If the design of the blocking called for Devin to block the outside guy he could have done it. Because he was inside out with the guy who didn't come (probably spying Josh) he didn't have time to get out there. I also think if Josh didn't drop quite as far he may have had a chance.

 

In the end the routes should have been called hot, which looked like didn't happen, which you have pointed out. The ball should have been out in one motion as it hit Josh's hands.

[GreggTX]

I am concerned about Spencer Brown. He's been so bad! They said he was a project, but right now he is a huge liability. He has size and agility with way more foot speed than a man his size should have, but there's just one problem -- He can't block. Ogbah just ate his lunch. On his first sack allowed, he just stood there like a statue. They need to start Quessenberry until Brown is ready.

[Richard Noggin]

I agree so hard with any and all DaQuan Jones praise. I've probably posted to that effect each week so far. The guy must suck to play against.

 

The Bills DL, when healthy, is effing scary good. The top-10 includes a variety of complimentary traits and talents. 

 

Of course the same (or similar) can probably be said of most position groups minus OL and TE (and maybe RB?). 

[billsfan89]

13 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I agree so hard with any and all DaQuan Jones praise. I've probably posted to that effect each week so far. The guy must suck to play against.

 

The Bills DL, when healthy, is effing scary good. The top-10 includes a variety of complimentary traits and talents. 

 

Of course the same (or similar) can probably be said of most position groups minus OL and TE (and maybe RB?). 

 

DaQuan is that big run stuffer that Star was supposed to be.

[Richard Noggin]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

DaQuan is that big run stuffer that Star was supposed to be.

It's really helpful to finally have that 1-Tech DT role filled for real.

 

There was ONE game (possibly even two) last season where Star actually flashed in ways we hadn't seen, but had nonetheless been promised was in fact occurring (in unselfish ways, facilitating the successes of his teammates). Difficult for most average "fans" to pick up on.

 

Not unlike the way even most skeptics (including ME) are now seeing Tremaine Edmunds flash on the field, whereas for years we we've been promised he WAS actually Doing His Job well enough to discourage the ball from finding him. 

 

I see an upgrade from Star to Jones, AND I see an upgrade from Edmunds to Edmunds.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yes all that Star talk was clear bull#### that many fans seemingly ate up because that’s what we were being told by Bills brass so it must’ve been true.😅

 

Star was what he was. A slightly above average NFL 1Tech. His problem was never that "people expected sacks and stats from him and that is not his job." We understood what his job was. He was just kinda meh at it. Jones has already been an obvious upgrade. 

[Bronxbomber21]

Why is it so difficult to find good offensive lineman help?

[Doc]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Star was what he was. A slightly above average NFL 1Tech. His problem was never that "people expected sacks and stats from him and that is not his job." We understood what his job was. He was just kinda meh at it. Jones has already been an obvious upgrade. 

I think it’s more that he checked-out.   

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 9/28/2022 at 7:02 PM, Einstein said:

There is a reason why they are backups.

 

Need the RB’s to block better as well.

 

 

A big part of this was the Offensive Coordinator. 

 

The Bills had just gone down the field to make it 7-0, and forced Miami to punt. 

 

Then Dorsey decided to suck the life out of the team with a Moss run, followed by another Moss run. 

 

No surprise, those carries were wasted downs, leaving the Bills in 3rd-9 and Josh's strip-fumble. 

 

I have no idea what the Bills thought there were going to accomplish with two Zach Moss runs. 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

I think it’s more that he checked-out.   

 

I think he was always relatively meh at it. He was a solid NFL starter. That's fine. The Bills overpaid him. That happens. But there were people here who responded to any criticism with "you don't understand he isn't here to get sacks". We knew that. But he wasn't doing what he was here to do at a high enough level. Jones is proving you don't need to get sacks or put up gaudy numbers at 1T in this defense for people to recognise you and give you credit. 

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

A big part of this was the Offensive Coordinator. 

 

The Bills had just gone down the field to make it 7-0, and forced Miami to punt. 

 

Then Dorsey decided to suck the life out of the team with a Moss run, followed by another Moss run. 

 

No surprise, those carries were wasted downs, leaving the Bills in 3rd-9 and Josh's strip-fumble. 

 

I have no idea what the Bills thought there were going to accomplish with two Zach Moss runs. 

 

It was bonkers. Ran it twice with the inferior runner and then tried to pass protect with the inferior blocker. Crazy. 

[BFLO]

On 9/28/2022 at 7:02 PM, Einstein said:

There is a reason why they are backups.

 

Need the RB’s to block better as well.

 

 

Singletary isn't late recognizing the blitz here. He's late recognizing that Dawkins got beat 1v1 at the speed of light. 

 

Singletary is supposed to pick up the delayed blitz in this protection, Dawkins is supposed to handle the 1v1 on the outside.  

 

If you watch the play as it develops, the Dolphins do bring a delayed blitz with #15 up the middle. And Singletary would have been in position to pick him up if not for trying to cover for Dawkins.

 

Josh read the defense correctly and had us in in the correct protection. Dawkins single handedly blew it.  

 

See the full clip below. 

On 9/28/2022 at 7:14 PM, gobills404 said:

In the full clip it looks more like Dawkins just got smoked

 

 

 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, BFLO said:

Singletary isn't late recognizing the blitz here. He's late recognizing that Dawkins got beat 1v1 at the speed of light. 

 

Singletary is supposed to pick up the delayed blitz in this protection, Dawkins is supposed to handle the 1v1 on the outside.  

 

If you watch the play as it develops, the Dolphins do bring a delayed blitz with #15 up the middle. And Singletary would have been in position to pick him up if not for trying to cover for Dawkins.

 

Josh read the defense correctly and had us in in the correct protection. Dawkins single handedly blew it.  

 

See the full clip below. 

 

No offense, but that’s ridiculous. The RB is there to pick up any pass rusher that is making his way toward the QB. Not just a delayed blitzer. The first rule of rb pass blocking is protect the QB at all costs.

 

Here is an example of Marshawn Lynch picking up a DE (on no delay), when his LT inexplicably doubles a DT.

 

You can see Marshawn originally take one step toward the middle of the pocket (expecting to guard a rusher from coming up the middle), but then when he sees the free rusher on the outside he stops and picks him up. Good move.

 

There is no doubt that Dawkins whiffed, but that doesn’t excuse Singletary. He is there to help with whiffs.

 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

No offense, but that’s ridiculous. The RB is there to pick up any pass rusher that is making his way toward the QB. Not just a delayed blitzer. The first rule of rb pass blocking is protect the QB at all costs.

 

Here is an example of Marshawn Lynch picking up a DE (on no delay), when his LT inexplicably doubles a DT.

 

You can see Marshawn originally take one step toward the middle of the pocket (expecting to guard a rusher from coming up the middle), but then when he sees the free rusher on the outside he stops and picks him up. Good move.

 

There is no doubt that Dawkins whiffed, but that doesn’t excuse Singletary. He is there to help with whiffs.

 

 

I dunno that looks like a called protection on a quick hitter to me. They are doubling the DT, letting the running back take the backside DE knowing Carr is getting rid of the ball early to the other side of the field. 

 

The big issue for me on Ingram's play was that I think the Bills were confused what protection it was and who was blocking what. But Dawkins whiffed and Motor stepped up a little early in case there was a delayed blitzer so he wasn't there to help out. Just an ugly play all around. 

[Charles Romes]

Spencer Brown has been going through growing pains but he’s never been that bad.  Heat sickness is the only thing that made sense about his play. 

[Einstein]

56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I dunno that looks like a called protection on a quick hitter to me. They are doubling the DT, letting the running back take the backside DE knowing Carr is getting rid of the ball early to the other side of the field. 

 

I disagree. The play shows a different shows. Lynch first takes a step toward the inside (watch closely). He clearly thought his responsibility would be middle protection and only after the edge rusher was untouched did he go outside.

 

Also the other side had 1 on 1 and the center looked confused on who to block. It was a weird play all around but Marshawn saved it.

 

I agree the confusion was bad in the Bills game.

 

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Edited September 30, 2022 by Einstein

[BFLO]

On 9/30/2022 at 10:52 AM, Einstein said:

 

No offense, but that’s ridiculous. The RB is there to pick up any pass rusher that is making his way toward the QB. Not just a delayed blitzer. The first rule of rb pass blocking is protect the QB at all costs.

 

Here is an example of Marshawn Lynch picking up a DE (on no delay), when his LT inexplicably doubles a DT.

 

You can see Marshawn originally take one step toward the middle of the pocket (expecting to guard a rusher from coming up the middle), but then when he sees the free rusher on the outside he stops and picks him up. Good move.

 

There is no doubt that Dawkins whiffed, but that doesn’t excuse Singletary. He is there to help with whiffs.

 

That’s 6 blockers vs 4 rushers in your example. 
 

Notice anything different about the Allen fumble play?