Scott7975 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lol 😂.  Yeah lol its clear as day.  Id take a picture for you but this forum has a pathetically low file size allowed and I dont feel like reducing it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Actually nm here is the picture. Â This is the reason he moves left. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Love the positive mention of DaQuon.  1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 16 hours ago, gobills404 said: In the full clip it looks more like Dawkins just got smoked    Sadly you’re right - looks like Dawkins is barely a turnstile on that play.  It was ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Actually nm here is the picture.  This is the reason he moves left.  The point is it’s a cover 0 blitz. 8v7. The QB will not have time.  Look at the routes. I hate this play vs that pressure. I think the QB needs to see that.  I agree he drifts due to the frontside pressure, but it made Hollands path to the QBs backside very easy.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The point is it’s a cover 0 blitz. 8v7. The QB will not have time.  Look at the routes. I hate this play vs that pressure. I think the QB needs to see that.  I agree he drifts due to the frontside pressure, but it made Hollands path to the QBs backside very easy.   But he would have had time if Dawkins and or Singletary make the block. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: 99% Allen 1 % blocking. Watch his feet. 8v7.  Inside out. It’s football 101.  Look at where he starts his drop vs where he finished his drop.   This is all on blocking Allen did nothing wrong. You expect your line to holdup for longer then 2 seconds. Dawkins mediocrity got exposed badly in this game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: This is all on blocking Allen did nothing wrong. You expect your line to holdup for longer then 2 seconds. Dawkins mediocrity got exposed badly in this game. Not vs that blitz. Dawkins had no chance. 45 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:  But he would have had time if Dawkins and or Singletary make the block. Neither guy had a shot at blocking Holland there. Too much speed and easy path to QB due to Allen’s drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Not vs that blitz. Dawkins had no chance. Neither guy had a shot at blocking Holland there. Too much speed and easy path to QB due to Allen’s drop.  Im just going to agree to disagree with you bro.  There is no reason to continue to go back and forth on this.  You expect two guys can block the end runner.  They wiffed period 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ralonzo said: Â I just don't know why they Bills accumulate all these OL with "position flexibility" and then don't want to move them around to "maintain continuity" even when one of them is literally murdering your chances of winning by playing the position he's at. Van Roten needs to be released. He's not an NFL center. Go find some promising kid on a PS. Edited September 29, 2022 by LABILLBACKER 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 If this is the play I'm thinking of Dawkins certainly did get smoked but (not that it's an excuse) Holland actually laid a legit DE move on him sweeping Dawkins arm and blowing right by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Not vs that blitz. Dawkins had no chance. Neither guy had a shot at blocking Holland there. Too much speed and easy path to QB due to Allen’s drop. Disagree with this. If the design of the blocking called for Devin to block the outside guy he could have done it. Because he was inside out with the guy who didn't come (probably spying Josh) he didn't have time to get out there. I also think if Josh didn't drop quite as far he may have had a chance.  In the end the routes should have been called hot, which looked like didn't happen, which you have pointed out. The ball should have been out in one motion as it hit Josh's hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I am concerned about Spencer Brown. He's been so bad! They said he was a project, but right now he is a huge liability. He has size and agility with way more foot speed than a man his size should have, but there's just one problem -- He can't block. Ogbah just ate his lunch. On his first sack allowed, he just stood there like a statue. They need to start Quessenberry until Brown is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I agree so hard with any and all DaQuan Jones praise. I've probably posted to that effect each week so far. The guy must suck to play against.  The Bills DL, when healthy, is effing scary good. The top-10 includes a variety of complimentary traits and talents.  Of course the same (or similar) can probably be said of most position groups minus OL and TE (and maybe RB?). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: I agree so hard with any and all DaQuan Jones praise. I've probably posted to that effect each week so far. The guy must suck to play against.  The Bills DL, when healthy, is effing scary good. The top-10 includes a variety of complimentary traits and talents.  Of course the same (or similar) can probably be said of most position groups minus OL and TE (and maybe RB?).  DaQuan is that big run stuffer that Star was supposed to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:  DaQuan is that big run stuffer that Star was supposed to be. It's really helpful to finally have that 1-Tech DT role filled for real.  There was ONE game (possibly even two) last season where Star actually flashed in ways we hadn't seen, but had nonetheless been promised was in fact occurring (in unselfish ways, facilitating the successes of his teammates). Difficult for most average "fans" to pick up on.  Not unlike the way even most skeptics (including ME) are now seeing Tremaine Edmunds flash on the field, whereas for years we we've been promised he WAS actually Doing His Job well enough to discourage the ball from finding him.  I see an upgrade from Star to Jones, AND I see an upgrade from Edmunds to Edmunds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Yes all that Star talk was clear bull#### that many fans seemingly ate up because that’s what we were being told by Bills brass so it must’ve been true.😅  Star was what he was. A slightly above average NFL 1Tech. His problem was never that "people expected sacks and stats from him and that is not his job." We understood what his job was. He was just kinda meh at it. Jones has already been an obvious upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Why is it so difficult to find good offensive lineman help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Star was what he was. A slightly above average NFL 1Tech. His problem was never that "people expected sacks and stats from him and that is not his job." We understood what his job was. He was just kinda meh at it. Jones has already been an obvious upgrade. I think it’s more that he checked-out.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 9/28/2022 at 7:02 PM, Einstein said: There is a reason why they are backups.  Need the RB’s to block better as well.   A big part of this was the Offensive Coordinator.  The Bills had just gone down the field to make it 7-0, and forced Miami to punt.  Then Dorsey decided to suck the life out of the team with a Moss run, followed by another Moss run.  No surprise, those carries were wasted downs, leaving the Bills in 3rd-9 and Josh's strip-fumble.  I have no idea what the Bills thought there were going to accomplish with two Zach Moss runs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Doc said: I think it’s more that he checked-out.    I think he was always relatively meh at it. He was a solid NFL starter. That's fine. The Bills overpaid him. That happens. But there were people here who responded to any criticism with "you don't understand he isn't here to get sacks". We knew that. But he wasn't doing what he was here to do at a high enough level. Jones is proving you don't need to get sacks or put up gaudy numbers at 1T in this defense for people to recognise you and give you credit. 3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: A big part of this was the Offensive Coordinator.  The Bills had just gone down the field to make it 7-0, and forced Miami to punt.  Then Dorsey decided to suck the life out of the team with a Moss run, followed by another Moss run.  No surprise, those carries were wasted downs, leaving the Bills in 3rd-9 and Josh's strip-fumble.  I have no idea what the Bills thought there were going to accomplish with two Zach Moss runs.  It was bonkers. Ran it twice with the inferior runner and then tried to pass protect with the inferior blocker. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFLO Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 9/28/2022 at 7:02 PM, Einstein said: There is a reason why they are backups.  Need the RB’s to block better as well.   Singletary isn't late recognizing the blitz here. He's late recognizing that Dawkins got beat 1v1 at the speed of light.  Singletary is supposed to pick up the delayed blitz in this protection, Dawkins is supposed to handle the 1v1 on the outside.   If you watch the play as it develops, the Dolphins do bring a delayed blitz with #15 up the middle. And Singletary would have been in position to pick him up if not for trying to cover for Dawkins.  Josh read the defense correctly and had us in in the correct protection. Dawkins single handedly blew it.   See the full clip below. On 9/28/2022 at 7:14 PM, gobills404 said: In the full clip it looks more like Dawkins just got smoked    1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, BFLO said: Singletary isn't late recognizing the blitz here. He's late recognizing that Dawkins got beat 1v1 at the speed of light.  Singletary is supposed to pick up the delayed blitz in this protection, Dawkins is supposed to handle the 1v1 on the outside.   If you watch the play as it develops, the Dolphins do bring a delayed blitz with #15 up the middle. And Singletary would have been in position to pick him up if not for trying to cover for Dawkins.  Josh read the defense correctly and had us in in the correct protection. Dawkins single handedly blew it.   See the full clip below.  No offense, but that’s ridiculous. The RB is there to pick up any pass rusher that is making his way toward the QB. Not just a delayed blitzer. The first rule of rb pass blocking is protect the QB at all costs.  Here is an example of Marshawn Lynch picking up a DE (on no delay), when his LT inexplicably doubles a DT.  You can see Marshawn originally take one step toward the middle of the pocket (expecting to guard a rusher from coming up the middle), but then when he sees the free rusher on the outside he stops and picks him up. Good move.  There is no doubt that Dawkins whiffed, but that doesn’t excuse Singletary. He is there to help with whiffs.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Einstein said:  No offense, but that’s ridiculous. The RB is there to pick up any pass rusher that is making his way toward the QB. Not just a delayed blitzer. The first rule of rb pass blocking is protect the QB at all costs.  Here is an example of Marshawn Lynch picking up a DE (on no delay), when his LT inexplicably doubles a DT.  You can see Marshawn originally take one step toward the middle of the pocket (expecting to guard a rusher from coming up the middle), but then when he sees the free rusher on the outside he stops and picks him up. Good move.  There is no doubt that Dawkins whiffed, but that doesn’t excuse Singletary. He is there to help with whiffs.   I dunno that looks like a called protection on a quick hitter to me. They are doubling the DT, letting the running back take the backside DE knowing Carr is getting rid of the ball early to the other side of the field.  The big issue for me on Ingram's play was that I think the Bills were confused what protection it was and who was blocking what. But Dawkins whiffed and Motor stepped up a little early in case there was a delayed blitzer so he wasn't there to help out. Just an ugly play all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Spencer Brown has been going through growing pains but he’s never been that bad.  Heat sickness is the only thing that made sense about his play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  I dunno that looks like a called protection on a quick hitter to me. They are doubling the DT, letting the running back take the backside DE knowing Carr is getting rid of the ball early to the other side of the field.  I disagree. The play shows a different shows. Lynch first takes a step toward the inside (watch closely). He clearly thought his responsibility would be middle protection and only after the edge rusher was untouched did he go outside.  Also the other side had 1 on 1 and the center looked confused on who to block. It was a weird play all around but Marshawn saved it.  I agree the confusion was bad in the Bills game.  . Edited September 30, 2022 by Einstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFLO Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 On 9/30/2022 at 10:52 AM, Einstein said:  No offense, but that’s ridiculous. The RB is there to pick up any pass rusher that is making his way toward the QB. Not just a delayed blitzer. The first rule of rb pass blocking is protect the QB at all costs.  Here is an example of Marshawn Lynch picking up a DE (on no delay), when his LT inexplicably doubles a DT.  You can see Marshawn originally take one step toward the middle of the pocket (expecting to guard a rusher from coming up the middle), but then when he sees the free rusher on the outside he stops and picks him up. Good move.  There is no doubt that Dawkins whiffed, but that doesn’t excuse Singletary. He is there to help with whiffs.  That’s 6 blockers vs 4 rushers in your example.  Notice anything different about the Allen fumble play?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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