Are we being purposely divided?

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Trump’s win wasn’t about a technique or advertising. It was about policy. His ideas made sense and appeal strongly to a large segment of Americans who see through the Democrats lies and policies of lunacy. Also their hatred of American ideals , capitalism and Caucasian Americans. 

 

Yea bro - cool story

 

 

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Sure , if you buy the Democrats lies. Fact : unverifiable paper ballots were mailed unsolicited. Fact : the Democrat party fought tooth and nail against any and all means of verifying the validity of these ballots , signatures etc. Fact : a U.S. Presidential election had never before consisted of so many paper ballots. So yes, if you ignore this and say no substantial fraud was found you are kidding yourself. The fraud was these ballots and that they were allowed to be used. Since they were allowed, no fraud was “ found”  it simply was allowed to take place right under our noses because the Democrat machine made sure of it.  Trump had sizable leads in swing states and they miraculously evaporated when all the phony paper “ ballots” were counted. The steal happened and was executed by the Democrat party. 

Trumps win in 2016 had zero to do with social media. It had a lot to do with Hillary Clinton , her putrid ideas and her outright dismissal of many Americans as “ deplorable”. 

Hoax.   Except for the part about Hillary screwing up with the deplorable comment. 

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Sure , if you buy the Democrats lies. Fact : unverifiable paper ballots were mailed unsolicited. Fact : the Democrat party fought tooth and nail against any and all means of verifying the validity of these ballots , signatures etc. Fact : a U.S. Presidential election had never before consisted of so many paper ballots. So yes, if you ignore this and say no substantial fraud was found you are kidding yourself. The fraud was these ballots and that they were allowed to be used. Since they were allowed, no fraud was “ found”  it simply was allowed to take place right under our noses because the Democrat machine made sure of it.  Trump had sizable leads in swing states and they miraculously evaporated when all the phony paper “ ballots” were counted. The steal happened and was executed by the Democrat party. 

You don’t have to buy the democrats lies.  You can listen to conservatives like Bill Barr, Matthew Pottinger, Pat Cipollone, Ri hard Donahue and many others. You could listen to the 60 something judges who bounced all the BS claims out of court.  He had the chance to prove his case.   There was no case.  Your “facts” prove nothing.  You are brainwashed if you think there was widespread fraud that was just allowed.   BS!     Instead of listening to conservative republicans who bust your theories you want to point to the boogie man.  

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Matt_In_NH said:

You don’t have to buy the democrats lies.  You can listen to conservatives like Bill Barr, Matthew Pottinger, Pat Cipollone, Ri hard Donahue and many others. You could listen to the 60 something judges who bounced all the BS claims out of court.  He had the chance to prove his case.   There was no case.  Your “facts” prove nothing.  You are brainwashed if you think there was widespread fraud that was just allowed.   BS!     Instead of listening to conservative republicans who bust your theories you want to point to the boogie man.  

Okay, so the unverifiable and unsolicited paper ballots did not exist even though Democrats told us months before the election that they were being sent ? Got it. You can buy the company line all you want, but this fact won’t change. It’s not BS, they just want to advance their narrative and diffuse the outrage. There are plenty of politicians on both sides of the aisle with the motivation to claim the obvious never happened. 

[Matt_In_NH]

14 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Okay, so the unverifiable and unsolicited paper ballots did not exist even though Democrats told us months before the election that they were being sent ? Got it. You can buy the company line all you want, but this fact won’t change. It’s not BS, they just want to advance their narrative and diffuse the outrage. There are plenty of politicians on both sides of the aisle with the motivation to claim the obvious never happened. 

Paper ballots were used for the first time in 2020.  What does Bill Barr say?

[T master]

11 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I didn't say it was a good thing, Jam-Master T.  I just offered what I think is a glimpse of the future and how the d party will manipulate emotion moving forward.  Why would they offer $50k in debt release when they can accomplish their goal by offering $10k, and then revisit it again in roughly 2 years?   

 

Props to you on your hard work and growth as a father and human being.  A strong social safety net is an important part of a civilized society, but on some level, the sort of personal accountability you demonstrated is exceptionally important to round that out.  In addition, charitable giving to help the less fortunate that stays out of the government system is vital as well.  

 

 

 

 

I agree we need to give to those that are in need (which i do when i can) or unable to fend for them selves but i just have a problem with those that feel just because they live in the US that they are entitled .

 

And from what i heard today on a radio program the younger democrat folks have recently jumped back on the Joe wagon since he has said he would pay off their school debt so that tells me he basically did this at the precise time before the mid terms to buy votes instead of that demographic just sitting on the side line .

 

Welcome to modern day politics don't earn the vote go out & buy it !! Sorry if i misunderstood the intent of your reply .

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, T master said:

 

I agree we need to give to those that are in need (which i do when i can) or unable to fend for them selves but i just have a problem with those that feel just because they live in the US that they are entitled .

 

And from what i heard today on a radio program the younger democrat folks have recently jumped back on the Joe wagon since he has said he would pay off their school debt so that tells me he basically did this at the precise time before the mid terms to buy votes instead of that demographic just sitting on the side line .

 

Welcome to modern day politics don't earn the vote go out & buy it !! Sorry if i misunderstood the intent of your reply .

There is a fundamental problem that the net taxpayers that produce have the same voice as the recipients that take, well except for the wealthy elites and politicians of course. 

[SectionC3]

15 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

We are being divided intentionally because so many people worry more about kindness than truth. We would rather lie and state "most secure election of all time" when it is absurd than admit the fact that our opposition got something correct. Right now some people are still arguing that the lockdowns through most of 2021 were a good idea, when there is no evidence it saved many lives and lots of evidence it damaged the lives of almost everyone else. It would be mean to point out that we screwed up apparently.

Once MAGA can admit that Biden won in a legitimate, clean election we can get started.

[SoCal Deek]

33 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Once MAGA can admit that Biden won in a legitimate, clean election we can get started.

Now do Hillary. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Now do Hillary. 

 

Don't bother.  The hypocrites will never engage in serious conversation over this.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Don't bother.  The hypocrites will never engage in serious conversation over this.

Yeah but it’s fun to poke the bear! As a Californian, I chuckle at the discussions over election integrity. Not sure if it works the same way elsewhere but we the occasional ballot measure or recall election. To get the item on the November ballot the sponsors must first collect thousands and thousands of signatures on petitions. Volunteers stand out in front of the local grocery stores for weeks collecting signatures. And virtually EVERY time the powers that be scrutinize those signatures and toss out at least 1/3 of them. Every single time. So much so that it’s now common knowledge among those seeking a ballot measure that they need to over-collect by at least 50% just be safe. So…election fraud? You bet there is! 

[T master]

15 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

"Protest is Patriotic"

 

Does that apply to 1/6 too?

 

Well that all depends on where you stand and what narrative you are trying to push .

[JaCrispy]

I was always shocked at how many PARENTS have been persuaded to believe their child could be the opposite sex- with ZERO scientific evidence…

 

That, to me, will always be one of the biggest lies ever sold in the history of humanity…

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by JaCrispy

[SectionC3]

58 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Now do Hillary. 

What about Hillary?

[716er]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

What about Hillary?

I think he is talking about Hillary’s stop the steal rallies and her fake elector schemes.

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 minutes ago, 716er said:

I think he is talking about Hillary’s stop the steal rallies and her fake elector schemes.

I think that's it. 

 

In Sept 2019 she said, "I believe he knows he's an illegitimate President".

 

In Nov 2019 she said, "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you".

 

The point being based on the current criteria of not excepting the official results of an election, she's an election denier.  Perhaps the person responsible for the creation of the political art form.  And the idea that election denying originated in 2020 is, well, a hoax.

 

 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think that's it. 

 

In Sept 2019 she said, "I believe he knows he's an illegitimate President".

 

In Nov 2019 she said, "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you".

 

The point being based on the current criteria of not excepting the official results of an election, she's an election denier.  Perhaps the person responsible for the creation of the political art form.  And the idea that election denying originated in 2020 is, well, a hoax.

 

 

Did Hillary concede? 

[T master]

16 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Sure but that wasn't the plan for 1/6 after attendees were incited by speakers, Trump and Proud Boys circling the Ellipse:

 

 

 

 

 

You know any statement or any speech can be misconstrued or twisted to sound as if it is the opposite of it's intent and there are those that are ignorant enough to take a statement literally then because they don't have half a brain to interpret what the meaning of the words being said actually are which is what i feel happened this day .

 

Then you have those that take the actions of the ignorant & try to place blame instead of on those that actually perpetrate these stupid acts because of their personal interpretation & place the total blame on the speaker rather than those doing the actual crime to make it look as if it was some one other than those stupid enough to follow through with their interpretation of what was being said .

 

So the stupidity is on both sides i took the speech to be that when he said fight to be to do it in a lawful civilized way such as through the courts or the next time going out & voting not by storming the capital or just going to the front of the capital & doing a peaceful type protest to show their .

 

But as it was in Portland, Seattle, Washington, Chicago, Nashville & other cities there were those that took the situation and used it to push their own agenda to make it then look in their mind that they were doing the right thing when in all reality they were only inciting a violent response because that is what they wanted & that not being the intent .

 

So ignorants is every where in todays society and evil is a real thing you put those 2 things together & S**T happens which may have not been the true  intent.  

 

Then there are those ignorant in their own right that fan the flame to keep the division going and can't see the true intent of certain actions or statements  and would rather go their direction to accomplish their personal goals .

 

Politics is the biggest S**T show in our country & the sooner the people that are divided realize exactly the intent of many of these people that we put in the position to lead us the better off we all will be because there isn't one of them in the end that give a rats ass about us it's all about them & what they want .

 

If they were truly looking out for the country we wouldn't be some $32 + trillion dollars in debt with no way to pay it off and have the multiple messes that this country has .

 

Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different out come !! HELLO AMERICA !!!!

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Unity!

 

 

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think that's it. 

 

In Sept 2019 she said, "I believe he knows he's an illegitimate President".

 

In Nov 2019 she said, "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you".

 

The point being based on the current criteria of not excepting the official results of an election, she's an election denier.  Perhaps the person responsible for the creation of the political art form.  And the idea that election denying originated in 2020 is, well, a hoax.

 

 

It’s hard to argue with a guy who confuses accept with except.  But that’s MAGA for you.  
 

MAGA’s bottom line here apparently is that Hillary, after acknowledging that Trump won the 2016 election, twice expressed sour grapes so now it’s acceptable to storm the Capitol and attempt a coup.  Makes perfect sense.  Hoax. 

3 minutes ago, T master said:

 

You know any statement or any speech can be misconstrued or twisted to sound as if it is the opposite of it's intent and there are those that are ignorant enough to take a statement literally then because they don't have half a brain to interpret what the meaning of the words being said actually are which is what i feel happened this day .

 

Then you have those that take the actions of the ignorant & try to place blame instead of on those that actually perpetrate these stupid acts because of their personal interpretation & place the total blame on the speaker rather than those doing the actual crime to make it look as if it was some one other than those stupid enough to follow through with their interpretation of what was being said .

 

So the stupidity is on both sides i took the speech to be that when he said fight to be to do it in a lawful civilized way such as through the courts or the next time going out & voting not by storming the capital or just going to the front of the capital & doing a peaceful type protest to show their .

 

But as it was in Portland, Seattle, Washington, Chicago, Nashville & other cities there were those that took the situation and used it to push their own agenda to make it then look in their mind that they were doing the right thing when in all reality they were only inciting a violent response because that is what they wanted & that not being the intent .

 

So ignorants is every where in todays society and evil is a real thing you put those 2 things together & S**T happens which may have not been the true  intent.  

 

Then there are those ignorant in their own right that fan the flame to keep the division going and can't see the true intent of certain actions or statements  and would rather go their direction to accomplish their personal goals .

 

Politics is the biggest S**T show in our country & the sooner the people that are divided realize exactly the intent of many of these people that we put in the position to lead us the better off we all will be because there isn't one of them in the end that give a rats ass about us it's all about them & what they want .

 

If they were truly looking out for the country we wouldn't be some $32 + trillion dollars in debt with no way to pay it off and have the multiple messes that this country has .

 

Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different out come !! HELLO AMERICA !!!!

 

 

I haven’t read this.  So this is a provisional hoax.  You wasted a lot of your life on that list.  I won’t waste any more precious time reading it. 

3 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

Unity!

 

 

If he added obese and poorly educated into the other adjectives he’d have summed up MAGA perfectly. 

[T master]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It’s hard to argue with a guy who confuses accept with except.  But that’s MAGA for you.  
 

MAGA’s bottom line here apparently is that Hillary, after acknowledging that Trump won the 2016 election, twice expressed sour grapes so now it’s acceptable to storm the Capitol and attempt a coup.  Makes perfect sense.  Hoax. 

I haven’t read this.  So this is a provisional hoax.  You wasted a lot of your life on that list.  I won’t waste any more precious time reading it. 

If he added obese and poorly educated into the other adjectives he’d have summed up MAGA perfectly. 

 

And as i said the ignorant once again make them selves known in a statement with out reading or comprehending anything said .

 

 

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, 716er said:

I think he is talking about Hillary’s stop the steal rallies and her fake elector schemes.

 

Try the Russian collusion hoax.

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

Unity!

 

 

👆😂

 

Someone is hitting rock bottom: reality is starting to set in - all of their non stop gaslighting to distract and cover up the most corrupt President in our lifetime is all for naught.

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Try the Russian collusion hoax.

Yeah - nooooo - It wasn’t a hoax.

 

And now we really know the rest of the story…

 

 

 

[Doc]

Cry harder.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

My assessment thus far:

1. Matt_in_NH poses a question about whether or not we are purposefully being divided;
2. Matt brands himself a conservative of sorts;
3. When posters respond, Matt_in_NH often responds rather aggressively and in a divisive manner;
4. When questioned about prior divisive behavior in keeping with the question he posed, he shuts down like a church during COVID.  
5. In making a point about Trump and legal challenges to the 2020 election, he cites former AG Barr to buttress his point about divisive political manipulation;
6. Prior to commentary about election integrity, AG Barr spoke directly about the extreme divisive political manipulation engaged upon by the democrats as it related to the aftermath of the Trump election, that which Matt_in_NH seems to prefer not to discuss;

Theory: I surmise that Matt_in_NH may be artificially intelligent and purposely trying to divide us. 

 

This begs the question for non-cyborgs:  Why is political and societal divisiveness applauded and supported when undertaken by one party and its supporters, and a threat to our very way of life when the shoe is on the other foot? 

 

I was going to start my own topic, but this title would have been far too long.  

 

@muppy, I am calling on you to contribute. 

 

 

[dickleyjones]

haha yes indeed divide and conquer is alive and well...no need to look further than this very thread.

 

we need an alien invasion or something, people might actually realize how similar we really are.

 

oh well, let the foolish, needless, dysfunctional infighting continue !

[Westside]

3 hours ago, DRsGhost said:

Unity!

 

 

Fascists

[All_Pro_Bills]

24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

My assessment thus far:

1. Matt_in_NH poses a question about whether or not we are purposefully being divided;
2. Matt brands himself a conservative of sorts;
3. When posters respond, Matt_in_NH often responds rather aggressively and in a divisive manner;
4. When questioned about prior divisive behavior in keeping with the question he posed, he shuts down like a church during COVID.  
5. In making a point about Trump and legal challenges to the 2020 election, he cites former AG Barr to buttress his point about divisive political manipulation;
6. Prior to commentary about election integrity, AG Barr spoke directly about the extreme divisive political manipulation engaged upon by the democrats as it related to the aftermath of the Trump election, that which Matt_in_NH seems to prefer not to discuss;

Theory: I surmise that Matt_in_NH may be artificially intelligent and purposely trying to divide us. 

 

This begs the question for non-cyborgs:  Why is political and societal divisiveness applauded and supported when undertaken by one party and its supporters, and a threat to our very way of life when the shoe is on the other foot? 

 

I was going to start my own topic, but this title would have been far too long.  

 

@muppy, I am calling on you to contribute. 

 

 

If I may, I think it comes down to what motivates people.  My personal theory is that "what" is self-interest.  Everybody acts out of pure self-interest.  Even people that claim to act out of kindness and altruism are doing it because it makes them "feel" better about themselves.  Or perhaps they have some ulterior motive?  or some level of compensation tied to what they believe or don't believe.  If you examine those self-interests you'll understand the motivation a person has to believe or view things in a particular way.  

 

There are a few exceptions to this theory.  And as Football season opens tomorrow with the Bills setting off on what we hope is a Championship season I'd like to flag one of them.  And one of those exceptions is anyone that officiates or judges any type of sporting event.  Football, baseball, soccer, basketball, other sports, on any level.  Regardless of what fans think at times, the fact these people manage to remain neutral and disregard their own interests or favorite teams is admirable.  I salute you. 

 

[Orlando Tim]

5 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Once MAGA can admit that Biden won in a legitimate, clean election we can get started.

And you prove my point better than I can, Biden is president but that election was beneath our standards, in 1948 we counted all the ballots in under 24 hours but in 2020 it takes 5 days.  The election was run terribly but that does not change the fact that Biden is president. I appreciate you proving my point for me. 

[SectionC3]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

And you prove my point better than I can, Biden is president but that election was beneath our standards, in 1948 we counted all the ballots in under 24 hours but in 2020 it takes 5 days.  The election was run terribly but that does not change the fact that Biden is president. I appreciate you proving my point for me. 

Hoax.  Absentee ballots take time to arrive.  I prefer to follow the rule of law and to count them.  Apparently you feel differently.  Sick.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  Absentee ballots take time to arrive.  I prefer to follow the rule of law and to count them.  Apparently you feel differently.  Sick.  

Generally everyone prefers the rule of law but the reality of how its applied in real-life is filled with grey areas subject to the whims of the people interpreting the law and the identity of the people being charged along with key factors such as circumstances, motive, and intent.      

[T master]

4 hours ago, BillStime said:

👆😂

 

Someone is hitting rock bottom: reality is starting to set in - all of their non stop gaslighting to distract and cover up the most corrupt President in our lifetime is all for naught.

Yeah - nooooo - It wasn’t a hoax.

 

And now we really know the rest of the story…

 

 

 

 

Even though you know the rest of the story when it comes to Hillary, Hunter, the fake paid for dossier the newly inflicted inflation the border crisis higher gas prices & everything else that has transpired over the last 2 years you are apparently to ignorant to see the truth as it stands in front of you and stares you in the face  .

 

Not to mention that every democratic run state or city like California, NYC, NYS, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco are all about bankrupt or the taxes are so freakin high you can't afford to live there unless the dum ass governor raises the minimum wage to $22.00 a hr .

 

Then you have Tenn. which has all kinds of companies that are moving here because of it's governmental structure which is conservative the only bad thing is that we have so many people trying to move from the afore mentioned cities to be able to have to pay out less in taxes and all that what you pay for a house is crazy .

 

You & your cohorts here really should have found out what chemicals they were washing the windows with on the short bus before you started licking them & you may not be in your current mental state .

 

As they say - You can't fix stupid but you can slow it down with a 2x4 ... Now put up your laughing emoji or your Trump flailing his arms around because you won't have a decent common sense response just the SOS you always put up !! 

[SectionC3]

38 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Generally everyone prefers the rule of law but the reality of how its applied in real-life is filled with grey areas subject to the whims of the people interpreting the law and the identity of the people being charged along with key factors such as circumstances, motive, and intent.      

Hoax.  MAGA does not prefer the rule of law.  

[BillStime]

5 hours ago, DRsGhost said:

Unity!

 

 

Unity!

 

 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Now do Hillary. 

 

And Stacey Abrams.

[Tenhigh]

2 hours ago, dickleyjones said:

haha yes indeed divide and conquer is alive and well...no need to look further than this very thread.

 

we need an alien invasion or something, people might actually realize how similar we really are.

 

oh well, let the foolish, needless, dysfunctional infighting continue !

I'm not normally a praying man, but if you are really up there in the sky...

 

 

 

 

 

Save us Thanos!!!

 

 

 

But for realz, the OP is right that we are being purposefully divided, it's how politicians have always manipulated voters.  it seems kinda  weird that he sees it but thinks that it's only happening to one side.  But at least its a start.  

 

Now who is coming to the opener?  I have never been called a fascist in person,  always wondered what it felt like...

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  Absentee ballots take time to arrive.  I prefer to follow the rule of law and to count them.  Apparently you feel differently.  Sick.  

You can stop proving my point but I appreciate your acknowledgement that I was correct. What I find interesting is you think it takes 5 days for mail to travel across the state of Pennsylvania when I can get Amazon to ship me stuff with 2 days from across the country

[muppy]

4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

 

This begs the question for non-cyborgs: 

Quote

Why is political and societal divisiveness applauded and supported when undertaken by one party and its supporters, and a threat to our very way of life when the shoe is on the other foot? 

 

I was going to start my own topic, but this title would have been far too long.  

 

@muppy, I am calling on you to contribute. 

 

 

leo the part of your post I quoted is a false premise. Since when is societal divisiveness and being labeled a threat to your very life applauded and supported? Not by Me.  In fact Ive had to squelch some friends whose politics were so one sided It just got to be too much drama and angst for me.. I didnt applaud, not did the division I felt give me an ounce of pleasure. Only pain hermano. The chasm is vast. I dont applaud it.  *raspberries* POOP thats what I think its sad, unfortunate and it stinks. This is why I give all of this to the Lord. It;s a deity sized problem. I dont like it and I dont know the solution.

 

m

Edited September 7, 2022 by muppy

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  MAGA does not prefer the rule of law.  

I don't represent MAGA in any shape or form.  So that is no consequence to my view.  I only represent myself.  I provided my personal opinion on how the "rule of law" is applied in a conditional and inconsistent fashion.  I've seen it firsthand in various court and legal situations.  I've seen it demonstrated in cases that have been reported and followed in the MSM and online media and in the press.  There is no absolute standard in the enforcement and application of the rule of law.  

 

The difference in how it is applied is governed by two factors, money and power.  If you've got power and/or money the rule of law for you is different than the rule of law is for somebody with no power and/or no money.  That's reality.  Power and money tilt the scales of justice to a more favorable position.  You can say hoax all you want until the end of time.  That won't change reality.  That won't change my opinion.  That won't change the system where power and money matter.  It just demonstrates your unwillingness to recognize and acknowledge it.  

Edited September 7, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tenhigh]

21 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't represent MAGA in any shape or form.  So that is no consequence to my view.  I only represent myself.  I provided my personal opinion on how the "rule of law" is applied in a conditional and inconsistent fashion.  I've seen it firsthand in various court and legal situations.  I've seen it demonstrated in cases that have been reported and followed in the MSM and online media and in the press.  There is no absolute standard in the enforcement and application of the rule of law.  

 

The difference in how it is applied is governed by two factors, money and power.  If you've got power and/or money the rule of law for you is different than the rule of law is for somebody with no power and/or no money.  That's reality.  Power and money tilt the scales of justice to a more favorable position.  You can say hoax all you want until the end of time.  That won't change reality.  That won't change my opinion.  That won't change the system where power and money matter.  It just demonstrates your unwillingness to recognize and acknowledge it.  

Nice post.   For C3, the word "Hoax" is like a Tourette's tic, you can't take it too seriously because he's not really serious.  He's doing large scale trolling here, that's all.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Tenhigh