Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[PetermansRedemption]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t know what anyone else may know, but I don’t know enough to really have an opinion on her motivation then or now. Whatever she did, she did not deserve what seems to have happened to her. NOBODY deserves that. 

 

I do think her chances of getting some satisfaction would be improved with a better choice of counsel. 

I’ve felt from the beginning that this is not the type of counsel you end up with if you have a solid case. This slime ball always felt like a “slipping Jimmy” (for anyone who watched better call Saul). Bottom barrel scum. I feel like you don’t usually end up with them if the big boys would take your case. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

If criminal charges are ever filed or there is a civil trial, this thread will have new life.  We love our court room dramas even if cameras are not present.  I'd say the statutory rape charge is a no go with the accuser being recorded claiming to be 18 and bragging about her 'body count" at 20.  Her attorney seemed to have much less to say after it came out.  I wonder if there may be a grand jury that is reviewing the evidence.  That would explain the appearance of DA inaction.

 

Doubtful at best as far as the statutory rape goes.  She killed that with the video (and allegedly witnesses, including a friend, but the video is enough).  The gang rape, hopefully they are or at least did.  You'd think that with the national traction the story got, something would have been filed by now.

 

Edit: 297!

Edited September 14, 2022 by Doc

[Nextmanup]

Only 297 pages huh?  Nothing like a little gang rape to get the lurkers off the couch and into the conversation.

If only we could get this sort of participation discussing football.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Doubtful at best as far as the statutory rape goes.  She killed that with the video (and allegedly witnesses, including a friend, but the video is enough).  The gang rape, hopefully they are or at least did.  You'd think that with the national traction the story got, something would have been filed by now.

 

Edit: 297!

Yes, I'm sure he's an honorable, virtuous, loving dude.  The bills don't need him or the stigma.  u mean this vid "doc"?  I doubt this girl wanted her 10 minutes of fame to be about a could be NFL punter raping her with his friends.

:  https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/woman-accusing-nfl-punter-matt-araiza-rape-speaks-89153025

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by redtail hawk

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I’ve felt from the beginning that this is not the type of counsel you end up with if you have a solid case. This slime ball always felt like a “slipping Jimmy” (for anyone who watched better call Saul). Bottom barrel scum. I feel like you don’t usually end up with them if the big boys would take your case. 

Shakespear was correct.  That doesn't make the poor girl wrong.  That video (gleefully on 297!) proves nothing except debauchery is rampant.  Doesn't make rape or gang rape ok.  Is it better that they might have done it to a messed up 18 yo girl?

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by redtail hawk

[PetermansRedemption]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

Shakespear was correct.  That doesn't make the poor girl wrong.  That video (gleefully on 297!) proves nothing except debauchery is rampant.  Doesn't make rape or gang rape ok.  Is it better that they might have done it to a messed up 18 yo girl?

 

I don’t actually know any facts of the case, haven’t followed it much at all. I am just commenting on the quality of counsel the plaintiff has chosen, and he definitely isn’t good. You usually don’t end up with this counsel because it’s your first choice. His track record has some pretty scummy cases. 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Yes, I'm sure he's an honorable, virtuous, loving dude.  The bills don't need him or the stigma.  u mean this vid "doc"?  I doubt this girl wanted her 10 minutes of fame to be about a could be NFL punter raping her with his friends.

:  https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/woman-accusing-nfl-punter-matt-araiza-rape-speaks-89153025

 

As I've said before, he won't be a Bill again.  It's now a matter of following a story through to completion. 

 

As for what she wants/wanted, I have no idea.  All I can say with certainty (from the video I was actually talking about) is she lied about telling him she was 17 and as a result statutory rape is gone.  So now we wait for evidence of Araiza's involvement in the gang rape, not just a video telling one person's side of the story.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

25 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

As I've said before, he won't be a Bill again.  It's now a matter of following a story through to completion. 

 

As for what she wants/wanted, I have no idea.  All I can say with certainty (from the video I was actually talking about) is she lied about telling him she was 17 and as a result statutory rape is gone.  So now we wait for evidence of Araiza's involvement in the gang rape, not just a video telling one person's side of the story.

 

you sure seem to have taken a side; that of the future defendant.  Don't u always?  Based on a scandalous youtube video with no attribution or meaningful evidence.

4 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I don’t actually know any facts of the case, haven’t followed it much at all. I am just commenting on the quality of counsel the plaintiff has chosen, and he definitely isn’t good. You usually don’t end up with this counsel because it’s your first choice. His track record has some pretty scummy cases. 

people end up with Sh!tty lawyers most commonly cuz they're poor and don't know or can't afford good ones.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://www.attorneycredits.com/faculty/Daniel-Gilleon.  Really can't find much bad press about this guy.  Link?

[Doc]

5 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

you sure seem to have taken a side; that of the future defendant.  Don't u always?  Based on a scandalous youtube video with no attribution or meaningful evidence.

 

Her claim that she told people she was 17 was always an obvious lie.  Even you know it was.  Now we have video proof of it from the very night in question.  So again, no statutory rape.  Time to move on from it.

 

But as I've repeatedly said, the gang rape might have happened and should be/have been investigated.  I'm not sure why you're ignoring that part.

 

And no, I don't always take the side of the defendant.  I thought Kraft was guilty.

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Her claim that she told people she was 17 was always an obvious lie.  Even you know it was.  Now we have video proof of it from the very night in question.  So again, no statutory rape.  Time to move on from it.

 

But as I've repeatedly said, the gang rape might have happened and should be/have been investigated.  I'm not sure why you're ignoring that part.

 

And no, I don't always take the side of the defendant.  I thought Kraft was guilty.

 

I believe we have proof that she told a bunch of people not named Matt Araiza that she was 18.  

 

We have no idea what she told him; just like we have no idea what happened that night.

 

That video proves literally nothing with regard to who she had sex with and whether it was consensual.

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

I believe we have proof that she told a bunch of people not named Matt Araiza that she was 18.  

 

We have no idea what she told him; just like we have no idea what happened that night.

 

That video proves literally nothing with regard to who she had sex with and whether it was consensual.

 

Actually the only thing we do know is that they had consensual sex outside, since they both admitted it.  They both had every reason to lie about it (her to bolster her case of him being a violent rapist and him to claim he didn't even have sex with her so no crime was committed) but they chose to admit the truth.

 

As for believing she told everyone else she was 18 but told Araiza she was 17, you're free to believe what you want.  His lawyer says he has witnesses for those who still think she admitted to being jail bait before trying to have sex with a college guy.  But as I've been saying all along, "let's see the evidence."

Edited September 14, 2022 by Doc

[Joe Ferguson forever]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Actually the only thing we do know is that they had consensual sex outside, since they both admitted it.  They both had every reason to lie about it (her to bolster her case of him being a violent rapist and him to claim he didn't even have sex with her so no crime was committed) but they chose to admit the truth.

 

As for believing she told everyone else she was 18 but told Araiza she was 17, you're free to believe what you want.  His lawyer says he has witnesses for those who still think she admitted to being jail bait before trying to have sex with a college guy.  But as I've been saying all along, "let's see the evidence."

I think the recorded phone call about STD's is pretty damning...IF the youtube vid is legit, she's in need of therapy and I can see a college guy taking advantage for consensual sex (football player or not) but it's still awful and certainly not a character reference for him.

Edited September 14, 2022 by redtail hawk

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I think the recorded phone call about STD's is pretty damning...

 

IDK (anything, really), but did he know something about one of the guys in that room? It was oddly specific. This could be seen as trying to help after the (sad) fact.  I don’t recall if I ever saw the exact wording. It could mean different things I suppose? 

 

I’m not making a case for either side. This is too complicated with too many unknowns for me to have an opinion. All I know is it’s horribly sad and has seriously damaged a lot of lives, including those of family members of those directly involved.  Can you imagine your child being involved in any way? 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

I think the recorded phone call about STD's is pretty damning...IF the youtube vid is legit, she's in need of therapy and I can see a college guy taking advantage for consensual sex (football player or not) but it's still awful and certainly not a character reference for him.

 

IIRC, the stuff from the phone call is hearsay since the transcripts weren't even released to her lawyer.  But even if true, it's hardly damning since he admitted to having sex with her.  And on the contrary, what rapist bothers to tell his victim she might have contracted an STD from his criminal actions? 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Doc

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

IDK (anything, really), but did he know something about one of the guys in that room? It was oddly specific. This could be seen as trying to help after the (sad) fact.  I don’t recall if I ever saw the exact wording. It could mean different things I suppose? 

 

I’m not making a case for either side. This is too complicated with too many unknowns for me to have an opinion. All I know is it’s horribly sad and has seriously damaged a lot of lives, including those of family members of those directly involved.  Can you imagine your child being involved in any way? 

 

I do.  As I've said, I have 2 boys in college right now.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I do.  As I've said, I have 2 boys in college right now.

 

May God bless, and may you sleep soundly thru every night.   😂 

 

Our “Good Son” was a freshman when we got the call. He got caught buying beer with a fake ID he got for $25. His friend Frank was from our hometown, but a different school. I had never met him, but he bailed out our son. Frank was in the wedding and we see him from time to time. He will forever be know as Bail Out Frank. 

[Alphadawg7]

I havent been active in this thread since it was moved to OTW.  Now at 297 pages, its not something I have the time to read through.  But I am curious if there have been any news on the case.

 

Of course googling it did nothing, all the articles are weeks old because now that he is not on an NFL roster the media could care less.  But I see in this page there is talk of videos and stuff that came out.  The only thing I saw since the last time I was here was she gave an interview.  But reading some of the comments here, sounds like a video has come out on her from the night of the alleged event?  

 

So can someone just give the quick cliff notes on what's happened since he was cut, if anything?  Just wondering if anything new came out that helps his case or helps her case.  

[unbillievable]

11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I havent been active in this thread since it was moved to OTW.  Now at 297 pages, its not something I have the time to read through.  But I am curious if there have been any news on the case.

 

Of course googling it did nothing, all the articles are weeks old because now that he is not on an NFL roster the media could care less.  But I see in this page there is talk of videos and stuff that came out.  The only thing I saw since the last time I was here was she gave an interview.  But reading some of the comments here, sounds like a video has come out on her from the night of the alleged event?  

 

So can someone just give the quick cliff notes on what's happened since he was cut, if anything?  Just wondering if anything new came out that helps his case or helps her case.  

 

At what point does an ***** turn into a gang rape? ...and how do you prove it?

 

The party they both attended was something out of Girls Gone Wild. It is not surprising that no one remembers anything that happened that night. 

While there is clear evidence of assault/rape, I can see why the police would have a problem identifying who among the sea of degenerates to pin it on.

 

Her only hope of getting money is from her GoFundMe, which is probably why she's doing a media tour.

[Behindenemylines]

On 9/13/2022 at 11:53 PM, Nextmanup said:

Only 297 pages huh?  Nothing like a little gang rape to get the lurkers off the couch and into the conversation.

If only we could get this sort of participation discussing football.

 

 

Wait, what? This is a football forum?

[JESSEFEFFER]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I havent been active in this thread since it was moved to OTW.  Now at 297 pages, its not something I have the time to read through.  But I am curious if there have been any news on the case.

 

Of course googling it did nothing, all the articles are weeks old because now that he is not on an NFL roster the media could care less.  But I see in this page there is talk of videos and stuff that came out.  The only thing I saw since the last time I was here was she gave an interview.  But reading some of the comments here, sounds like a video has come out on her from the night of the alleged event?  

 

So can someone just give the quick cliff notes on what's happened since he was cut, if anything?  Just wondering if anything new came out that helps his case or helps her case.  

 

The accuser did something of a media blitz.  CBS News, ABC Nightline and some of the local SD affiliates.  On one of them, her image in silhouette was poorly done to the point where her facial features were visible.  Her attorney also released an e-mail he sent to the Bills where he cc'd her e-mail account which was not redacted.  So, she has basially been outed by the actions of her attorney. 

 

Shortly after this, a YouTube video called "Slutty Halloween" and created by some organization called "BagNation" which was posted last year, came into prominence because it supposedly had the accuser in it saying she was only 18 and bragging that she had a body count of 20.  There were two clips in it where she puts her age at 18 and, oddly, was the only person in the video to even mention their age.  She was in the fairy costume and getting friendly with some unknown, skinny, college aged male person unrelated to the football team, near as I can tell.  It is likely that this video was shot a party earlier the same night as it seemed not to have any of the SDSU football team in it.  

 

Since all this happened, she and her attorney seem to have gone media silent which certainly is interesting and leads to much speculation.  There has not been much new to the story since.

[muppy]

Quote

 

DNA, video and a new lawsuit in San Diego State rape investigation

The San Diego Police Department released a report showing multiple 'assailants' had sex with alleged victim.

 

 

SAN DIEGO — There are major developments in the case involving a young woman accusing several former San Diego State University football players of rape.

DNA rape kit testing results are in. A video of the alleged victim on social media is raising questions.  And a new lawsuit has been filed against the city of San Diego seeking public records in the case.

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/investigations/dna-video-new-lawsuit-in-san-diego-state-rape-investigation/509-1628fc33-b7e4-4349-a012-b1e349dbe16f

[4merper4mer]

On 9/14/2022 at 5:31 PM, Gugny said:

 

I believe we have proof that she told a bunch of people not named Matt Araiza that she was 18.  

 

We have no idea what she told him; just like we have no idea what happened that night.

 

That video proves literally nothing with regard to who she had sex with and whether it was consensual.

 

That video proves to me that it would have been very difficult for the Buffalo Bills to get to the truth of the matter in a couple of days/weeks.  It was utter chaos and expecting a football team’s investigation staff/contractors to determine all the answers in a short window was always a standard well beyond reasonable.  Yet the Tim Grahams of the world portrayed it as simple, while also citing lawyer’s assertions as “direct quotes from Araiza”.
 

The underlying story/case is one where the whole truth may never be known' yet the Bills are the villains for not knowing.  Those reporters are a joke.

 

Clearly the case itself is more important than football and I agree with your that the tape proves nothing about what she said later or what did or did not happen to her.  Unfortunately, it is likely to be used as part of a “short skirt” defense and if it proves effective it won’t be the first time.  Sadly there is a risk that a gang rape occurred but won’t be able to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

That video proves to me that it would have been very difficult for the Buffalo Bills to get to the truth of the matter in a couple of days/weeks.  It was utter chaos and expecting a football team’s investigation staff/contractors to determine all the answers in a short window was always a standard well beyond reasonable.  Yet the Tim Grahams of the world portrayed it as simple, while also citing lawyer’s assertions as “direct quotes from Araiza”.
 

The underlying story/case is one where the whole truth may never be known' yet the Bills are the villains for not knowing.  Those reporters are a joke.

 

Clearly the case itself is more important than football and I agree with your that the tape proves nothing about what she said later or what did or did not happen to her.  Unfortunately, it is likely to be used as part of a “short skirt” defense and if it proves effective it won’t be the first time.  Sadly there is a risk that a gang rape occurred but won’t be able to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

You and I are 100% in alignment on everything you've stated.

[unbillievable]

5 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

The accuser did something of a media blitz.  CBS News, ABC Nightline and some of the local SD affiliates.  On one of them, her image in silhouette was poorly done to the point where her facial features were visible.  Her attorney also released an e-mail he sent to the Bills where he cc'd her e-mail account which was not redacted.  So, she has basially been outed by the actions of her attorney. 

 

Shortly after this, a YouTube video called "Slutty Halloween" and created by some organization called "BagNation" which was posted last year, came into prominence because it supposedly had the accuser in it saying she was only 18 and bragging that she had a body count of 20.  There were two clips in it where she puts her age at 18 and, oddly, was the only person in the video to even mention their age.  She was in the fairy costume and getting friendly with some unknown, skinny, college aged male person unrelated to the football team, near as I can tell.  It is likely that this video was shot a party earlier the same night as it seemed not to have any of the SDSU football team in it.  

 

Since all this happened, she and her attorney seem to have gone media silent which certainly is interesting and leads to much speculation.  There has not been much new to the story since.

 

I thought she said a body count over 50?

 

[Doc]

55 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

I thought she said a body count over 50?

 

No, 20.  I think she said her first one was at 15.

[boater]

7 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

The underlying story/case is one where the whole truth may never be known' yet the Bills are the villains for not knowing.  Those reporters are a joke.

And #1 in the joke line is Chuck Pollock of the Olean Times Herald. https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/bills/araiza-scandal-reflects-badly-on-bills-hierarchy/article_db4362ab-9942-5f0c-8e6d-58ec4e57a544.html

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, boater said:

And #1 in the joke line is Chuck Pollock of the Olean Times Herald. https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/bills/araiza-scandal-reflects-badly-on-bills-hierarchy/article_db4362ab-9942-5f0c-8e6d-58ec4e57a544.html

 

I refuse to give that a click. I’m not even sure if I want the Cliff Notes. 

 

I believe 4 teams didn’t know (including the Bills until well after the draft), and 2 had an idea that something was up, but not sure what. I don’t see this as a negative reflection on the team at all. When it came out, he was gone. It’s a shame that……….well, the whole damn thing is just a terrible shame for all concerned. 

[unbillievable]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No, 20.  I think she said her first one was at 15.

 

So 10 a year?

 

I've been out of touch, but that's probably not that bad for GenZ.

[djp14150]

On 9/15/2022 at 5:52 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

I havent been active in this thread since it was moved to OTW.  Now at 297 pages, its not something I have the time to read through.  But I am curious if there have been any news on the case.

 

Of course googling it did nothing, all the articles are weeks old because now that he is not on an NFL roster the media could care less.  But I see in this page there is talk of videos and stuff that came out.  The only thing I saw since the last time I was here was she gave an interview.  But reading some of the comments here, sounds like a video has come out on her from the night of the alleged event?  

 

So can someone just give the quick cliff notes on what's happened since he was cut, if anything?  Just wondering if anything new came out that helps his case or helps her case.  

nothing much has come around.

 

it’s bern found out she has bern sexually actively sleeping with 20+ men

 

another video has surfaced of her being at another party

 

they have done DNA testing. Unsure how far along the are in this testing

[Taro Nimbus]

So basically, she’s just a slut then.   Is there any new developments on the case?   

[K-9]

14 hours ago, djp14150 said:

nothing much has come around.

 

it’s bern found out she has bern sexually actively sleeping with 20+ men

 

another video has surfaced of her being at another party

 

they have done DNA testing. Unsure how far along the are in this testing

@muppyposted a linked news article above stating the DNA results are now in and that the SDPD has provided a report stating those tests reveal that multiple men had sex with the victim. 

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

@muppyposted a linked news article above stating the DNA results are now in and that the SDPD has provided a report stating those tests reveal that multiple men had sex with the victim. 

We already knew multiple men had sex…DNA wasn’t required.

 

we do not know if they completed all the testing.  Thry did not say what form of testing was done.

[K-9]

33 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

We already knew multiple men had sex…DNA wasn’t required.

 

we do not know if they completed all the testing.  Thry did not say what form of testing was done.

DNA was required to match the specific DNA profiles of the alleged assailants. According to the linked article, that’s now been completed by the SDPD. Not sure of other alleged assailants, but according to the article, Araiza voluntarily provided a DNA sample to police on 9/6. The DNA profiles obtained may be inculpatory or exculpatory evidence for Araiza as well as any other of the accused. If that’s not a significant development in the case, I don’t what is. 
 

As for the type of testing, what form of DNA testing is usually performed on rape kits? I honestly don’t know, but would be interested in whatever info you could offer. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

rape kits and bloody underwear aren't part of consensual sex

 

[Doc]

42 minutes ago, K-9 said:

DNA was required to match the specific DNA profiles of the alleged assailants. According to the linked article, that’s now been completed by the SDPD. Not sure of other alleged assailants, but according to the article, Araiza voluntarily provided a DNA sample to police on 9/6. The DNA profiles obtained may be inculpatory or exculpatory evidence for Araiza as well as any other of the accused. If that’s not a significant development in the case, I don’t what is. 
 

As for the type of testing, what form of DNA testing is usually performed on rape kits? I honestly don’t know, but would be interested in whatever info you could offer. 

 

Araiza and the girl admitted to having consensual sex so him submitting a DNA sample is a formality.  She didn't say she consented to have sex with the other assailants so if their DNA was found, they're in big trouble.  Whether they talk and implicate or exonerate Araiza is the biggest question mark.

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Araiza and the girl admitted to having consensual sex so him submitting a DNA sample is a formality.  She didn't say she consented to have sex with the other assailants so if their DNA was found, they're in big trouble.  Whether they talk and implicate or exonerate Araiza is the biggest question mark.

 

I'm not sure what the defence of the others is - could be that it was consenual. Unlike with Araiza (in the first instance, at least) this is, of course, disputed.

Edited September 18, 2022 by UKBillFan

[Doc]

12 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

I'm not sure what the defence of the others is - could be that it was consenual. Unlike with Araiza (in the first instance, at least) this is, of course, disputed.

 

She originally said she couldn't remember any of it so she must have been passed-out.  So even if she had given consent, it doesn't count.

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

She originally said she couldn't remember any of it so she must have been passed-out.  So even if she had given consent, it doesn't count.

 

I imagine their defence will be that she was in a position to give consent and did so. The prosecution will state as you say above.

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I imagine their defence will be that she was in a position to give consent and did so. The prosecution will state as you say above.

 

I'm sure that's what they'll try to use, but if she doesn't remember it, their DNA was there and there was trauma, that won't help them much.