Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[CountDorkula]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Allegedy. So many in this thread have decided he is guilty.

I haven't seen that, I've seen most saying cut him and move on, its not worth having him on this team right now.

 

If he was to be found guilty and was still on this team, the Bills are in a much worse position. Risk i not worth it. 

 

This is not a two weeks and its over. This is going to be a several month process. 

[billsintaiwan]

The last time a punter got this much attention was when?

[CountDorkula]

Just now, TampaBillsJunkie said:

May or not be, but the team already made up its mind. He is on record saying there was mutual consent, but she's a minor so that's no good either. 

The Bills are not the law, they do not need to prove innocence or guilt, they need to care on if having him on this team is worth the circus this will bring over the next months. 

 

they decided its not worth the risk

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

I'm getting the feeling this was Sean's call and Beane might have been more on the fence.  Just a feeling...

there seems to a slight undertone of not wanting to suddenly be the daily face of this from Sean

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

This sucks.This kid was a keeper and could have been one of the best punters in Bills history. We'd flip the field at any time from any place. But he goes and punts with his third leg and kills his own career. 

NFL history. 

 

Watch a scumbag team pick him up.  At least we have our morals!

So hard because he was talented and a Bill.  At least we took the moral high ground!

[phypon]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

there seems to a slight undertone of not wanting to suddenly be the daily face of this from Sean

Agreed, and can't say that I blame him.

[chongli]

13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

NFL history. 

 

Watch a scumbag team pick him up.  At least we have our morals!

 

If he is not charged criminally and found not liable or settles in the civil case, there will be a line for him. In any case, the Bills just wasted a 6th round draft pick. And no compensation for us if he does get picked up.

Edited August 28, 2022 by chongli

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

He's a football player, obviously its only about the money. {Rolls eyes}

 

He was a college senior with little draft stock when the first movements were filed, so it debunks the whole damn thing. 

I stand for the truth… If he’s guilty he should be held accountable

 

but Just because he didn’t have high draft stock didn’t mean he didn’t have an NFL future… He absolutely was the most high profile of the players named… And he had an NFL future

 

Something none of the other players named had a chance of 

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

NFL history. 

 

Watch a scumbag team pick him up.  At least we have our morals!

So hard because he was talented and a Bill.  At least we took the moral high ground!

The bills kept tyrell Dodson who was not only accused of domestic violence, was arrested for it

[CountDorkula]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I stand for the truth… If he’s guilty he should be held accountable

 

but Just because he didn’t have high draft stock didn’t mean he didn’t have an NFL future… He absolutely was the most high profile of the players named… And he had an NFL future

 

Something none of the other players named had a chance of 

yet they are still named in the lawsuit no?

 

Lets ask rape victims if money just magically makes the torture go away. 

[Bills2022]

Let it all play out in the courts, not in the media with the Bills name attached to it.

 

All involved have their legal rights, but playing for the Bills is not a right.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

yet they are still named in the lawsuit no?

 

Lets ask rape victims if money just magically makes the torture go away. 

They Maybe in the lawsuit but their names not getting airtime in the media

 

that is MA 

 

Do people forget the Duke lacrosse rape scandal which was all a lie?

 

I 100% stand for rape victims but this is an accusation… Nothing has came to light

 

This country was founded on innocent until proven guilty… Innocent until proven guilty

 

not vice versa 

Edited August 28, 2022 by Buffalo716

[CircleTheWagons99]

How long before he is a Patriot? Or Brown?

[ExiledInIllinois]

Is this gonna be like releasing the enemy in "Saving Private Ryan?" 

 

I hope PuntGod is shot down to hell never sees a football field again, especially against the Bills. 

 

Sounds harsh... Unless he comes out clean, which he won't! 

 

The League needs to stand by the Bills here... Morally.

[UKBillFan]

That last question was ridiculous - there's an ongoing civil process with a potential criminal process, of course they will have to say no comment to some questions.

 

I think both were as open and honest as they could be considering the circumstances, though I don't think cutting Haack and keeping Araiza was addressed?

[Johnnycage46]

Just now, CircleTheWagons99 said:

How long before he is a Patriot? Or Brown?

 

Who cares?  He's gone.  Right, wrong, or otherwise.  It WAS a big distraction and hopefully in the next couple of days things start getting back to normal around here now that he is gone, and we can all look forward to a great season.

[Kellyhero68]

Some interesting questions,

1. She spoke to the police who conducted an investigation in October but did not press criminal charges YET.

2. The police did a forensic examination for rape in October. If his DNA was found wouldn't he have been arrested last year?

3. She wrote about it in her journal, which the police were not interested in. And his name is never mentioned.

4. We only heard about this AFTER he made the 53-man roster.

5. She admitted being drunk, semi unconscious, and face down but knows it was him.

 

I am not saying he is guilty or innocent, but these questions need to answered before anyone passes judgement. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by Kellyhero68
typo

[Chandler#81]

So, is this 255 page thread done? Araiza as a Bill is old news. Upward on onward.

Edited August 28, 2022 by Chandler#81

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Is this gonna be like releasing the enemy in "Saving Private Ryan?" 

 

I hope PuntGod is shot down to hell never sees a football field again, especially against the Bills. 

 

Sounds harsh... Unless he comes out clean, which he won't! 

 

The League needs to stand by the Bills here... Morally.

 

Morally it needs to play out through due process. If charges are not bought, he is found not guilty and/or settles then he will probably turn up for a NFL team again. If found guilty, he'll have more things to worry about than punting and rightly so.

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, Kellyhero68 said:

Some interesting questions,

1. She spoke to the police who conducted an investigation in October but did not press criminal charges YET.

2. The police did a forensic examination for rape in October. If his DNA was found wouldn't he have been arrested last year?

3. She wrote about it in her journal, which the police were not interested in. And his name is never mentioned.

4. We only heard about this AFTER he made the 53-man roster.

5. She admitted being drunk, semi unconscious, and face down but seems to remember him by name.

 

I am saying he is guilty or innocent, but these questions need to answered before anyone passes judgement. 

 

 

 

 

its kind of sounds like you are.......

[Mango]

I get the sense that BB was on the wait it out side. “He needs time to manage this situation”

 

But McD was on the “these are serious accusations and we are empathetic of the victim”

 

The ladies in the house are not happy with Bean at the moment and appreciated McD interjecting. 

[Beck Water]

41 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Fwiw, I doubt guys who are sexually active with lots of people get together and swap stories about the time they were accused of rape. 

 

Not in those terms, No

[Airseven]

7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

the moral high ground!

There it is. Facts be damned.

[Warcodered]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

So, is this 255 page thread done? Araiza is a Bill is old news. Upward on onward.

Can we fire it into the Sun?

[GoBills808]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Morally it needs to play out through due process. If charges are not bought, he is found not guilty and/or settles then he will probably turn up for a NFL team again. If found guilty, he'll have more things to worry about than punting and rightly so.

Maybe some folks don't need a court's decision to determine morality.

[muppy]

very somber tone to the press conference. DAMMIT I would have loved if this had never ever happened. Im sad for all of it.

 

Time to move forward. Tomorrow is a new day. Im ready to leave this saga behind.  It was said that the process is being able to deal with adversity as well as achievement of excellence. God Speed Buffalo. WE have your back.

 

GO BILLS

 

m

Edited August 28, 2022 by muppy

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Kellyhero68 said:

Some interesting questions,

1. She spoke to the police who conducted an investigation in October but did not press criminal charges YET.

2. The police did a forensic examination for rape in October. If his DNA was found wouldn't he have been arrested last year?

3. She wrote about it in her journal, which the police were not interested in. And his name is never mentioned.

4. We only heard about this AFTER he made the 53-man roster.

5. She admitted being drunk, semi unconscious, and face down but seems to remember him by name.

 

I am saying he is guilty or innocent, but these questions need to answered before anyone passes judgement. 

 

 

 

 

The rape kit has yet to be processed. 
 

This happens a lot in the US. There are 200k unprocessed rape kits in the US. Think about that for a minute. 

[Beck Water]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Maybe some folks don't need a court's decision to determine morality.

 

From the sound of it, Beane and McDermott needed a court filing decision (lawsuit) to determine morality

[Bills2022]

Just now, Mango said:

I get the sense that BB was on the wait it out side. “He needs time to manage this situation”

 

But McD was on the “these are serious accusations and we are empathetic of the victim”

 

The ladies in the house are not happy with Bean at the moment and appreciated McD interjecting. 

 

Huh? Bean was brilliant. He did what was good for the team and at the same time letter players on the team know the Bills organization has their backs, but only to a certain point. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Maybe some folks don't need a court's decision to determine morality.

What if the court finds him innocent.  Will the moral do-gooders accept it. 

 

The road to perdition is paved with good intentions.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I get the sense that BB was on the wait it out side. “He needs time to manage this situation”

 

But McD was on the “these are serious accusations and we are empathetic of the victim”

 

The ladies in the house are not happy with Bean at the moment and appreciated McD interjecting. 

 

And I think this has been the problem since Thursday, which came to a head last night. Beane and McDerrmott were in disagreement on how to proceed - Beane was fixed on innocent until proven guilty and wanted it to play out; McDerrmott felt it was setting a bad example and unduly influencing the team.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

From the sound of it, Beane and McDermott needed a court filing decision (lawsuit) to determine morality

From the sounds of it Bean very much did. He didn’t seem empathetic at all. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

From the sound of it, Beane and McDermott needed a court filing decision (lawsuit) to determine morality

I'm talking about a verdict. To hear it tell you need a ruling to decide how to feel about something.

[CountDorkula]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

What if the court finds him innocent.  Will the moral do-gooders accept it. 

 

The road to perdition is paved with good intentions.

DeShaun Watson was also found innocent.......... so.........

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

The rape kit has yet to be processed. 
 

This happens a lot in the US. There are 200k unprocessed rape kits in the US. Think about that for a minute. 

And if you’re not in the 1% of rape victims that see a conviction, BB doesn’t give a poop about you.

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Morally it needs to play out through due process. If charges are not bought, he is found not guilty and/or settles then he will probably turn up for a NFL team again. If found guilty, he'll have more things to worry about than punting and rightly so.

 

If he's innocent:

 

Bills should have first rights,  or get a a 6th back.  😆 

 

Then stick him in a hermetically sealed bubble and only let him out to kick. 😆 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

What if the court finds him innocent.  Will the moral do-gooders accept it. 

 

The road to perdition is paved with good intentions.

Again, I don't need the courts to decide how I should feel about something.

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

What if the court finds him innocent.  Will the moral do-gooders accept it. 

 

The road to perdition is paved with good intentions.

 

C'mon Exiled.  You know better than that. 

 

Courts do not find people innocent.  That's not what they do.  They find someone guilty, or not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  Civil courts find it "more likely than not" to be true, meaning it can be 50.01% likely or 49.99% unlikely.

 

None of that means "innocent"

 

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

DeShaun Watson was also found innocent.......... so.........

 

Huh?

Edited August 28, 2022 by Beck Water

[Kellyhero68]

6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

its kind of sounds like you are.......

No, you are innocent PROVEN guilty. And so far, there is allegation of rape, in which the San Diego Police have not charged any crime in almost a year.

Not enough information to PROVE his guilt yet, but there could be.

Edited August 28, 2022 by Kellyhero68

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

And I think this has been the problem since Thursday, which came to a head last night. Beane and McDerrmott were in disagreement on how to proceed - Beane was fixed on innocent until proven guilty and wanted it to play out; McDerrmott felt it was setting a bad example and unduly influencing the team.

72 hours ago I was counting down the days until kick off. 
 

Today not so much. I feel a bit dirty as a fan stills 

[muppy]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

From the sound of it, Beane and McDermott needed a court filing decision (lawsuit) to determine morality

I think it is exactly as Beane stated. They wanted to not rush to an unfair judgment. I think that is fair for both the team AND araiza The ending is the same result it Sucks. Alll of this saga does in all its tawdry detail. I hope the Bills put this behind them ASAP and carry on.. Crazy last coupla days in the chatroom eh mateys?

 

SMH