BillsFanSD Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, fridge said: The Buffalo Bills in their own statement stated that the have conducted (PAST TENSE) an investigation. Are you suggesting that in the next 2-5 days the team re-open it's investigation and attempt to contact additional people pertinent to the case? My personal guess (it's just a guess) is that the Bills have already spoken with other people who were there. I assume any competent PI would do that as his or her first or second order of business. In other words, I think this is probably information that the Bills already have. Quote Also, while your burdeon of proof seems to be simply witness testimony, I feel that even that is pretty light. Some people here are suggesting that the team needs to wait for the DA to indict or not. Some are claiming the team needs to wait for the civil suit to be conducted (settlement or otherwise). To be clear, that is not my position. My personal burden of proof for things like this in an employment contest is something like "clear and convincing evidence," not "beyond a reasonable doubt." I can imagine a scenario in which Araiza is found not guilty by a jury and I'd still want him cut anyway. Maybe not the most likely scenario, but it's plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said: Ariaza not playing today is a 100% tell that he will be jettisoned in less than 24 hours max. The Bills are not going to fight this battle in the court of public opinion for him, a 6th round rookie punter. An experienced, NFL caliber punter (and holder!) will be signed from the coming roster cut down. McD and Beane will rightfully have to answer some tough questions for a few days given their weak statement on the matter thus far, and then it'll be on to Los Angeles. Given that the alleged incident occured Pre-Draft, he can't be placed on the NFL Exempt list. And to release him now before the case plays out will presume guilt and hinder his case - which could open the Bills to lawsuits themselves. We're kind of stuck. Maybe they can place him on some sort of Team Leave until the process plays out. Maybe they can release him and specifically state it's only for not making them aware of the issue Pre-Draft. But it's tricky. It's not as cut and dry to simply release him as many are suggesting. Edited August 26, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Victory Formation said: I hate to tell you, but you should know, one “oh crap moment” can erase a thousand thattaboys, but it’s the truth. Henry Ruggs, Bill Cosby, R. Kelly, etc. As far as defamation goes, you should get sued for that if you do cause damages. Ruggs was an "oh crap" moment that killed someone, brought on by a serious lack of judgement. The only "oh crap" moment that Cosby and R.Kelly had was when they got caught. It would be interesting to know which moment this most closely resembles.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Dont think there are any winners here... not gonna say much... young woman was hurt horribly, but Araiza is screwed either way, and the Bills least of all are gonna lose a punter and look bad in public opinion. So be it... they need to get out til the dust settles and legal stuff runs its course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said: Ariaza not playing today is a 100% tell that he will be jettisoned in less than 24 hours max. The Bills are not going to fight this battle in the court of public opinion for him, a 6th round rookie punter. An experienced, NFL caliber punter (and holder!) will be signed from the coming roster cut down. McD and Beane will rightfully have to answer some tough questions for a few days given their weak statement on the matter thus far, and then it'll be on to Los Angeles. I agree. They were going to boot Hack regardless of the situation. Doubt anyone will notice the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, JD333 said: As I've stated earlier in this thread -- the focus I have on this issue is related to how the Buffalo Bills should handle it. I still believe that they should cut this player. That being said... this lawyer is losing his mind. He released an unprompted statement and dropped "Punt God" in his first paragraph. He cited Court TV. It reads like a 9th grader scrambling to finish the essay the night before it's due. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Bills kickoff live: “There’s a lot of pieces that don’t fit, there’s only one side of the story here.” Proceeds to talk about NOTHING ELSE for the first 15 minutes. I had to turn it off with Graham touting that Bills fans are universally against Araiza due to social media and radio call ins. That just means the folks on that side are more vocal. It means nothing more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 These two idiot talking heads on kickoff live thinking they can dictate to the Bills what they MUST do in this situation. Who the ***** are you anyway? “Well let me just commend you for being a woman in Buffalo media. There are so many women in the Buffalo media” What the actual? I don’t care at all about your speculation about accusions from 3000 ***** miles away, Shut the ***** up! Also 20 minutes now talking about stuff you don’t know ***** about, instead of the game. You tools. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: 1) There is a mistaken age defense. If he reasonably believed she was 18 or older that is a mitigating factor. It is true that is a defense, but it never keeps prosecutors from bringing the charges. He is going to get charged. The jury will decide if that defense is a worthy defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Bass is punting in,practice at Carolina and Barkley is holding for PATS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Bills2022 said: It is true that is a defense, but it never keeps prosecutors from bringing the charges. He is going to get charged. The jury will decide if that defense is a worthy defense. It is up to the DA. Personally I would be surprised if a DA charged a 21 year old with statutory rape for having sex with a 17 year old at a college party when the 17 year old admitted that she lied about being in college, especially several months after the alleged act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Man, I was thinking I was gonna try to be the first post on page 100🤔 Eff that!!!!! 200 here we come💪 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel from az Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I keep things simple...let the process play out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 37 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Why have him show up to stadium? I have no clue. Nothing makes sense anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) Has there been on any official update on Kim Pegula's health. And has she made any recent public appearances or statements? As co-owner of the team, I doubt she will want to have this guy playing for the Bills. Edited August 26, 2022 by Reks Ryan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: These two idiot talking heads on kickoff live thinking they can dictate to the Bills what they MUST do in this situation. Who the ***** are you anyway? “Well let me just commend you for being a woman in Buffalo media. There are so many women in the Buffalo media” What the actual? I don’t care at all about your speculation about accusions from 3000 ***** miles away, Shut the ***** up! Also 20 minutes now talking about stuff you don’t know ***** about, instead of the game. You tools. You seem to have heard what you wanted to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 First Kiko, now Punt God. Legends and Buffalo don't mix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, HappyDays said: It is up to the DA. Personally I would be surprised if a DA charged a 21 year old with statutory rape for having sex with a 17 year old at a college party when the 17 year old admitted that she lied about being in college, especially several months after the alleged act. There is not a DA alive who will pass on charging someone in a high profile case. They make careers out of this type of case. It is wrong, but that is how DA offices work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Bills2022 said: It is true that is a defense, but it never keeps prosecutors from bringing the charges. He is going to get charged. The jury will decide if that defense is a worthy defense. Your opinion has been noted and filed as "opinion #5478". I will proceed to store these claims until actual facts are provided in the case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, jkeerie said: I had to turn it off with Graham touting that Bills fans are universally against Araiza that dead eyed toady meerkat is Graham? That explains a lot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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